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no coolie is "right" or "wrong"....no koolie either...what defines the coolies/koolies in my approval of right or wrong are breeding practices only, not dogs or names....ethics is what defines right or wrong for me
 

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and i will refer to the "sense of humor" comment made to me earlier about how important it was to have one to be on this forum...and I have always (see welcome thread) have been upfront with my consern regarding Linds and Saras representation of the breed on this forum....that is no secret at all....

It is hard to to offer a different side to this breed in this forum, chazpeople here (at least the ones posting on the threads i have been on) are reluctant to accept \anything diffeent then what they know...
It is important to have a sense of humour here. However, I haven't seen and don't see anything remotely funny in your posts about these dogs.

And I also haven't seen the other Koolie owners on Chaz, which is NOT just Linds and Sara, though you can't seem to remember there are others, represent the breed anywhere other than talking about their own personally experiences with them. So really, trying to drag their name through the mud isn't exactly going well for you.

YOU are the one who came here touting that you were going to "enlighten" us all. So far I haven't been enlightened. Just confused.
 

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The first 15 pages are of people asking you questions. Nicely.

You just refuse to use logic.

And continuing to bash Linds and Sara will get you no where. I don't even know these people and you're coming off as an elitist bitch.

Someone should be able to ID the breed of a dog without 'training'. That's a ridiculous logic. You are making no sense to me.
 

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no coolie is "right" or "wrong"....no koolie either...what defines the coolies/koolies in my approval of right or wrong are breeding practices only, not dogs or names....ethics is what defines right or wrong for me
OH. So you are allowed to bash another breeder, who is not on the forum to defend themselves, and 2 young ladies, because they don't follow your ethics. But we are all idiots for asking you questions because you don't follow our ethics?
 

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Aleron, I specified, or maybe only Fran and Shai saw it, that I accept variance in the breed. However I was thrown by using variance in a single litter as "okay".

If I go for a litter I want to know what I'll be eating. I'm confused by anyone who does not.
The point is that in a breed like Coolies or BCs, for some people, the only thing that they want is that they can move the sheep. So it doesn't matter if that litter has 20 lb dogs or 40 lb dogs, smooth, rough or color. The consistent trait that the buyer is looking for would be that the dogs can do the work. Of course, if one wants a standardized look or size, one wouldn't be looking for that litter and that breeder.
 

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OH. So you are allowed to bash another breeder, who is not on the forum to defend themselves, and 2 young ladies, because they don't follow your ethics. But we are all idiots for asking you questions because you don't follow our ethics?
NO NO NO JESS.

They were PLANNING to breed merle to merle. According to avalon. But she can offer no proof of this. Despite being asked repeatedly. And they conceived to STEAL ONE OF HER PUPPIES to breed to Trav! Despite offering no proof of this.

so obviously they are bad m'kay. Not that they don't follow her ethics, because so far, everything they've said about ethics and everything she's said about being ethical (merle to merle is all I've got on that, actually, aside from dogs living on chains and culling puppies, which I don't think either one of them has done like, ever) has been the exact same. SHE KNOWS what they were planning on doing.

DUH.
 

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Just wanted to jump in and say that this thread sort of seems like it's started attacking OP, who, to me, seems like she is just trying to educate about the breed. Maybe take it down a notch?
 
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I have been :under attack" by the same group of people (we could sum it up to be those on the last 3 pages or so...appoligize to any on there that got grouped up)...since my "welcome" to chaz....so this doesnt surprise me at all...

And I am not forgetting the other coolie owners on the forum...i have not seen them around really, linds and sara are the predominant presence, probably why they come up more of not all the time...) They are extremely active on this forum so draw more attention I guess...and yes their breeder has unethical practices...severe one IMO
Sorry to burst the little bubble for those who are Linds and Sara fans...

More research into new breeds when being presented is not a bad thing...i didnt think me wanting to share a different opinion would be seen as a "caracter assasination attempt"

This forum to me was explained to be a place where knowledgeable people in the dog sport and breeding world get together....a place with high regards for proper breeding practices and dog care in general...now that i point out that a valued member of your group might have put such important ethical beliefs aside to obtain a coolie on breeding rights might be a bit disconcerning yes but not worth accusing me of; "not having coolies" or that coolies as a breed is actually not a breed, or that I have mutts or any of the other really hard things mentioned above
 
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I guess I do and don't understand what this thread is even about or what points people are trying to make.

Is it to "prove" that c/koolies aren't really a breed because they don't appear to have a consistent standard? I mean, someone else dragged Alaskans into this, and when I say all my future dogs will likely be Alaskans, you all know what I'm talking about, right? So... what?
 

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I have been :under attack" by the same group of people (we could sum it up to be those on the last 3 pages or so...appoligize to any on there that got grouped up)...since my "welcome" to chaz....so this doesnt surprise me at all...

And I am not forgetting the other coolie owners on the forum...i have not seen them around really, linds and sara are the predominant presence, probably why they come up more of not all the time...) They are extremely active on this forum so draw more attention I guess...and yes their breeder has unethical practices...severe one IMO
Sorry to burst the little bubble for those who are Linds and Sara fans...

More research into new breeds when being presented is not a bad thing...i didnt think me wanting to share a different opinion would be seen as a "caracter assasination attempt"

This forum to me was explained to be a place where knowledgeable people in the dog sport and breeding world get together....a place with high regards for proper breeding practices and dog care in general...now that i point out that a valued member of your group might have put such important ethical beliefs aside to obtain a coolie on breeding rights might be a bit disconcerning yes but not worth accusing me of; "not having coolies" or that coolies as a breed is actually not a breed, or that I have mutts or any of the other really hard things mentioned above
Again, you are ASSuming that people have not done their own research.

Maybe, you would get your point across if you had enough faith in how awesomg your dogs are that you didn't feel the need to put down another breeder (WHOSE DOGS ARE IN YOUR LINES) every. single. time. you post. But you obviously don't have that much faith in your dogs.
 
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You need to back up your opinions. Facts, links, and so on.

We've been essentially asked to take you at your word, because of a lot of the links you've posted, which I have followed, or tried to find, are not very convincing.

You have admitted that we are working with a basic understanding of these dogs. Seriously then, where is the information.
 

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No one is attacking the OP any more than the OP has attacked other breeders. Pointing out inconsistances and FACTS that she has brought up does not constitute an attack.
 
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this breed has limited online information....that is my point!! It is extremely hard to find information, and then when you find it you have to know if the provenence is reliable or not...very very hard breed to navigate in ABSOLUTly...so I always invite people seriously interested in learning more to pick up the phone and call the breeders that DONT HAVE web sites, talk to the source, the ones that have a australian calling code...not a USA or a Canadian one for that matter, dont take my word for it please dont....call, talk to others then lyself and Linds, Sara, Nina etc...
 

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this breed has limited online information....that is my point!! It is extremely hard to find information, and then when you find it you have to know if the provenence is reliable or not...very very hard breed to navigate in ABSOLUTly...so I always invite people seriously interested in learning more to pick up the phone and call the breeders that DONT HAVE web sites, talk to the source, the ones that have a australian calling code...not a USA or a Canadian one for that matter, dont take my word for it please dont....call, talk to others then lyself and Linds, Sara, Nina etc...
But how do you know those interested in K/Coolies haven't?
 

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Nope, you're not going crazy.

Apparently Toolalla Collies are lowly chickens, and Avalon has the real ones. We're so lucky that she's here to show us what real coolies are :rofl1:
This. :rofl1:

OH. So you are allowed to bash another breeder, who is not on the forum to defend themselves, and 2 young ladies, because they don't follow your ethics. But we are all idiots for asking you questions because you don't follow our ethics?


Look, we have dogs of all kinds here on chaz.
Show, working, pet, rescue, BYB, mixed, purebred, huge, small.. and I didn't even think the rule needed to be written down but WE, as a community of dog lovers , DO NOT BASH EACH-OTHERS DOGS REGARDLESS OF BREED CONFLICTS.
Your constant little snarky stupid remarks (showing off merles/chickens/whatever) is a huge part of what is rubbing people the wrong way. If your dogs were that great, you wouldn't have to stoop so low.

Even never having met them, just from the bits of those dogs I have seen on this forum, I can say with confidence that Trav, Zinga and Didgie are AWESOME dogs and any breed should be happy to have them as examples. You don't like their breeder? fine. You've said it, they've answered questions about it. You don't get to decide which c/koolie breeders are worthy. that's up to people buying dogs and they have made their choice so LET IT GO. And frankly, the proof is in the pudding and let's just say... I like their pudding.

But more than the fact that I know their dogs and I know Linds and Sara.. you know how I REALLY know that they are, at their core, better people and better dogs.
because they don't spend their time mud slinging at anyone who doesn't agree with them or putting down other people's dogs.

I have a show aussie.
There are others here with aussies from working lines (I believe Cara) and rescues like sawyer and sport dogs too!
I can't imagine what state of mind (elitist, mean, crazy) I would have to be to insult their dogs, call them any kind of fowl, or suggest my dog is better just because I like his breeder more or I think he is a "true aussie". Everyones has breeding practices they like, ones they don't, places they would like to get dogs and not.. but we are a COMMUNITY. "I don't support _____ breeder of ______" =/= YOUR DOG IS NOT A REAL _____ AND MINE ARE AND ONLY I CAN TELL WHAT REAL ________ LOOK LIKE BECAUSE I'M THE RULER OF ALL _______! I DONT NEED PROOF SO THERE!!

Linds and Sara have taken their LARGE share of questions and answered with politeness, grace, understanding and openness. Which is much more than I can say for you.
As for why they aren't present in this thread.. it's unsurprising they have chosen to bow out of your drama instead of feeding into it.
 
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I think a consistent reaccurance on my threads IS...THERE ARE SO MANY MORE BREEDERS AND SOURCES OUT THERE...not just what you all have available...

and I do think people on chaz would have the same ethical expectations as I do...no culling pups, no inbreeding (there is a difference between line breeding and inbreeding), no merle to merle breeding, proper puppy raising and dog care, contracts, puppy placement being appropriate and not misleading to do puppy testing for puppy matches when one doesnt know what a volhard test is etc....
 

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I think a consistent reaccurance on my threads IS...THERE ARE SO MANY MORE BREEDERS AND SOURCES OUT THERE...not just what you all have available...

and I do think people on chaz would have the same ethical expectations as I do...no culling pups, no inbreeding (there is a difference between line breeding and inbreeding), no merle to merle breeding, proper puppy raising and dog care, contracts, puppy placement being appropriate and not misleading to do puppy testing for puppy matches when one doesnt know what a volhard test is etc....
Again, how do you know people haven't contacted other breeders? (Why yes, I will keep asking. Stop beating around the bush and answer the question, and I'll stop :) )
 

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I can't possibly read everything on my phone but I skimmed and I'm still confused.

Maybe the answer isn't out there, maybe this type of dog, containing styles by every breeder, is too vague for those of us in the Standardized dog breed cultures to grasp.

Btw, thems some mighty pretty chickens. ;)
 
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