College degree in housekeeping

Gempress

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The Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary is offering a bachelor's degree in homemaking. The program is open only to women, and offers classes in such topics as lively dinnertime conversation, meal planning, sewing and more.

The program is based off the conservative Baptist ideology that while men and women are equal, they have different roles in life. A woman's role is to "graciously submit" to their husbands and be a "helper".

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-homemaking11oct11,0,900610.story

Yikes. I couldn't last in a school like that. I enjoy being a partner in our marriage, not a "helper".
 

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Gemp, you're not alone. Any intelligent woman should be able to figure out that she is not required to submit to anyone--especially not because of her gender.

God values men and women equally, any student here will tell you. It's just that he's given them different responsibilities in life: Men make decisions. Women make dinner.
If God values men and women equally, they both should have the CHOICE to make decisions, dinner, or any other **** thing they feel like doing. What this school is really trying to tell women is that we need to crawl back into our caves and ignore the last 100 and more years of fighting for gender equality.

Philosophical courses such as "Biblical Model for the Home and Family" teach that God expects wives to graciously submit to their husbands' leadership.
Translation: Bigots in charge can't handle women with a spine, so they brainwash the next generation so that nice guys like themselves have easier targets to oppress.

It all sounds wonderful to sophomore Emily Felts, 19, who signed up as soon as she arrived on campus this fall.

Several relatives have told Felts that she's selling herself short. They want her to become a lawyer, and she agrees she'd make a good one. But that's not what she wants to do with her life.
If what she wants to do with her life is be a stay-at-home wife, that's fine. It is her decision, and if that's what floats her boat then more power to her - Felt's relatives need to shut up and not force her to become what THEY want her to do. However, if the school is brainwashing her under the name of religion to believe that being a home-maker is the one true destiny for all women and that is what she needs to do with her life, I have a big problem with it.

For the rest of the nearly three-hour class, guest lecturer Ashley Smith, the wife of a theology professor, laid out the biblical basis for what she calls "the glorious inequalities of life."

Smith, 30, confided that she sometimes resents her husband for advancing his career "while I'm changing diapers and getting poop all over me."

"If we love the Scripture, we must do it," said Smith, who gave up her dreams of a career when her husband said it was time to have children. "We must fit into this role. It's so much more important than our own personal happiness."
Let me get this straight. She resents her husband for advancing his career, when she had the opportunity to achieve her dreams as well - but threw them away when he told her it was time for her to whelp a litter. She is now unhappy and clearly resentful about it. And she is encouraging other women to do the same? To throw away their dreams and fit a pre-defined, oppressing role all in the name of the Scripture? Has anyone told this woman she lives in the United States and women and men are equal under the law and she has the same freedoms and rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as everyone else does? (And while we're at it, what is "glorious" about "changing diapers and getting poop all over [herself]?")

To conclude, I wouldn't have a problem with these classes if they were open to both genders and religion wasn't the excuse for them to try and make every member of each gender a cookie-cutter-perfect example of exactly what this college wants people to be; and more specifically, oppressing women. What utter BS. Open the classes to EVERYONE and STOP telling women they need to be eating up every word that comes out of a man's mouth, just because he happens to have a penis. (That can go the other way around, too.) The classes themselves are certainly not limiting, it's the idea that a woman is only fit to submit to her husband and anything else is defiance of God.

I'm sorry if not all of this made sense. This just makes my blood boil.
 

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while I definitely agree with you Gempress... I don't see anything wrong with classes like these. But I do think it should be open to men and women.

But it seems this generation has completely lost the art of homemaking (well not everyone but a lot of them)

All I hear anymore is "I don't have TIME to make a homemade dinner" "I don't have TIME to sew the holes in my kids clothes" etc etc. Now don't get me wrong... I HATE HATE HATE to clean lol and I try to avoid it but I at least still know how to do it. I seriously know people that don't know how to do a load of laundry.... to me... that is pathetic.

Just seems values have completely changed... parents seem to value their career more than their families. If you want to have a career that is fine but I really think it is important for children to have a parent home if they have the means to do so (which many people do if they just made a few sacrifices) now this also includes men... they can be stay at home dads.... even though I personally think it is more important for a baby to lots of one on one time with it's mother the first year at least. I am very happy that we have the means to allow me to be a stay at home mom and still live a comfortable life even if we don't have all the fancy gadgets. I just can't justify working when most of that money is going to go to daycare... paying a stranger to raise my kid 5 days a week... and day care is ridiculously expensive. What is the point? i don't make enough for it to be worth it. But if you have the means to be a stay at home mom/dad.... why not?

I think we really need to get back to that way of thinking. Personally I think the deterioration of the above is a big reason society is becoming such a wasteland.

it doesn't have to be about submitting to your husband or whatever.... I am a stay at home mom and we are most definitely PARTNERS and he never EXPECTS anything from me.... and he actually does almost all the cooking because he enjoys it.

it just seems to me that the womens lib movement sorta looks down upon women who DON'T have a career.... who are homemakers.... WHY is that role degrading? In my opinion I am certainly performing a much better service by being a Stay at home mom than I am by having a "career"... being home to raise my daughter, change her poopy diapers, feed her, and give her what she needs to be able to grow into a healthy, well rounded adult is better than any career I could have IMO.
 

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I would actually love to take classes like this (heck, if offered, I would minor in something like that)

Like everyone has mentioned though, it being offered only to women destroys the integrity of the program, IMO. These are skills useful for ALL people, not just women.

and I think Sparks has a great point as well...I dont get why home-makers are so looked down upon.

Even I have a knee-jerk rxn to "look down" on them (but this is from being raised in a wealthy neighborhood where the 'stay at home moms' were the very ones who CAUSED this knee jerk rxn in the first place...). I am now realizing more and more that I myself want to be able to stay at home with my kids, especially when they are young.
 

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These are skills useful for ALL people, not just women.


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Yeah... unless a man is going to live at home and be taken care of by his mommy until he gets married (if he so chooses) .... eventually he will have to learn to wash his own scivvies lol
 

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As is usual when this topic comes up, the key verses AFTER women are asked to 'submit' to their husbands, are conviently skipped...

Ephesians 5:22-29

"22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church— 30for we are members of his body. 31"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh."[c] 32This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband."



Verse 25 is to me, the most powerful piece of scripture that relates to marital relationships. Jesus Christ loved the chuch so much that He died for it. Christ loved the church so much that he SUBMITTED Himself to His very creations to be judged. So not only should wives submit to their husbands, but also husbands to their wives.

It saddens me that some Christians only see the first two verses and do not grasp the power and meaning of the rest of the passage.

I do not rule over my wife, nor does she rule over me... For as verse 31 describes, her and I are but one flesh.
 

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Things have changed since " my day " .....I never would have " worked " outside my home ..... first I couldn't afford to and second my life was my children and being a homemaker . Women are just better managing things every day . You who have husbands and Dads pitching in is great !!! I sure would have welcomed a 2nd hand !!! Wasn't much fun fixing an evening meal with with 2 toddlers and one on the hip while dear Daddy read the evening paper and relaxed after a long day at work . Appreciate your mates today !!! And single Mom's .......I really am sorry for you .
 

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PuckStop31 said:
Verse 25 is to me, the most powerful piece of scripture that relates to marital relationships. Jesus Christ loved the chuch so much that He died for it. Christ loved the church so much that he SUBMITTED Himself to His very creations to be judged. So not only should wives submit to their husbands, but also husbands to their wives.
Off topic a little, but please refresh my memory Puckstop, which Church was that?

FWIW, I completely agree with your idea of marriage as a partnership.
 

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I hope this is fitting to be posted here :)

God's Letter To Woman

When I created the heavens and the earth, I spoke them into being.
When I created man, I formed him and breathed life into his nostrils.
But you, woman, I fashioned after I breathed the breath of life into man, because your nostrils are too delicate.
I allowed a deep sleep to come over him so I could patiently and perfectly fashion you.
Man was put to sleep so that he could not interfere with the creativity.
From one bone, I fashioned you.
I chose the bone that protects man's life.
I chose the rib, which protects his heart and lungs and supports him, as you are meant to do.
Around this one bone, I shaped you....... I modeled you.
I created you perfectly and beautifully.
Your characteristics are as the rib, strong yet delicate and fragile.
You provide protection for the most delicate organ in man, his heart.
His heart is the center of his being; his lungs hold the breath of life.
The ribcage will allow itself to be broken before it will allow damage to the heart.
Support man as the rib cage supports the body.
You were not taken from his feet, to be under him, nor were you taken from his head, to be above him.
You were taken from his side, to stand beside him and be held close to his side.
You are my perfect angel.....You are my beautiful little girl.
You have grown to be a splendid woman of excellence, and my eyes fill when I see the virtues in your heart.
Your eyes...don't change them.
Your lips, how lovely when they part in prayer.
Your nose, so perfect in form.
Your hands so gentle to touch. I've caressed your face in your deepest sleep.
I've held your heart close to mine.
Of all that lives and breathes, you are most like me.
Adam walked with me in the cool of the day, yet he was lonely.
He could not See me or touch me. He could only feel me.
So everything I wanted Adam to share and experience with me, I fashioned in
you; my Holiness, my Strength, my Purity, my Love, my Protection and Support.
You are special because you are an extension of me.
Man represents my image, woman my emotions. Together, you represent the totality of God.
So man......treat woman well.
Love her, respect her, for she is fragile. In hurting her, you hurt me.
What you do to her, you do to me.

In crushing her, you only damage your own heart; the heart of your Father, and the heart of her Father.
Woman, support man. In humility, show him the power of emotion I have given you.
In gentle quietness, show your strength.
In love, show him that you are the rib that protects his inner self.



If only all the husbands & wives would remember that when they got married, they each became a half of only ONE flesh, maybe there would be no such thing as divorce.. and no need to debate about who's ruling over whom :eek:
 

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Off topic a little, but please refresh my memory Puckstop, which Church was that?
Quick Answer - The Christian Church.

Longer Answer - The Christian Church. The people who have...

1.) Admitted they are sinners and fall short of the glory of God.
2.) Confessed this sin to God.
3.) Believe that Jesus Christ is the incarnate Son of God and died to bear the sin of man.

I really hope you are not trying to bait me into something. ;)
 

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Neither Josh nor I believe in God and shy away from religion. BUT one thing from the Bible that we can always agree on is that verse that Puck quoted is one that any marriage should be based on. Yes we dont believe in God or religion but we have both read the Bible. How can you rebel against something in which you dont know? But Josh and I are a partnership-married or not. The only reason we are apart right now is that we both feel the other should not be held back because of the ambition and dreams of the other. So before we are apart until I finish school then me and our daughter will join him where he is stationed. I could never imagine giving up my career for him.

Those classes should be offered to both sexes. Heck Josh did more in the kitchen then I did because I did the grocery shopping and cared for the animals. He helped do laundry and clean the house. I have found with alot of southern Baptist sects they preach submition on the part of the woman to the husband. I cant wait to essencially be a stay at home mom. Once I move on base where Josh is stationed I will most likely be a homemaker not out of submition but because it is what I choose. I will have a job once my daughter goes to school but even then it will be a job that I can decide the schedule or a schedule that works around school times. Then once he is out of the military we plan to start our own ranch and I may start my own large animal practice on the side. We are setting up our lives so that our children will have us around as much as possible and if that means him going into the military then so be it.
 

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Holy Moly. The craziest thing to me is that women are taking these classes and letting people teach them all this. But hey, whatever floats their boat. But if anyone would drag me in there, I'd have my frying pan ready :) - To whack them on the head, not enter a class on how to make fried eggs perfectly!
 

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Quick Answer - The Christian Church.

Longer Answer - The Christian Church. The people who have...

1.) Admitted they are sinners and fall short of the glory of God.
2.) Confessed this sin to God.
3.) Believe that Jesus Christ is the incarnate Son of God and died to bear the sin of man.

I really hope you are not trying to bait me into something. ;)
Yes I was trying to bait you into something. But it was merely a passing impulse. I still don't see how Jesus loved a church that wasn't established till 300 years after his death. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_chov.htm

Oh well, I guess it's a mystery.
 

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