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We dont need sympathy. I dont feel sorry for you for having your beliefs. I respect them. That statement was really offensive. What if i said "I feel sorry for christians for living in ignorance." (that statement does not reflect my beliefs. Its an example.)
Also we do have rules to live by. They are called morals. We have a conscience and we know right from wrong. We dont need a superior being to tell us right from wrong. The basics of it are obvious and other things are left to ones own discretion just as in religion. There is basic right and wrong that is across the board in most religions and then there are beliefs that vary from one religion to another. We just decide for ourselves instead of thinking "what do I do? let me see what God says I have to do."
We do get guidance- from wiser friends and loved ones. REAL people with real experience in life. Not dissing any religion just saying why I believe what I believe.
Also we do have rules to live by. They are called morals. We have a conscience and we know right from wrong. We dont need a superior being to tell us right from wrong. The basics of it are obvious and other things are left to ones own discretion just as in religion. There is basic right and wrong that is across the board in most religions and then there are beliefs that vary from one religion to another. We just decide for ourselves instead of thinking "what do I do? let me see what God says I have to do."
We do get guidance- from wiser friends and loved ones. REAL people with real experience in life. Not dissing any religion just saying why I believe what I believe.
I don't equate wanting to do something nice for someone to "sumbission". If I give each of my dogs a biscuit, it's because I like them - I'm certainly not submitting to them!
From the dictionary...
sub·mit /səbˈmɪt/
1. to give over or yield to the power or authority of another
2. to subject to some kind of treatment or influence.
3. to present for the approval, consideration, or decision of another or others
4. to state or urge with deference; suggest or propose
5. to yield oneself to the power or authority of another
6. to allow oneself to be subjected to some kind of treatment
7. to defer to another's judgment, opinion, decision, etc.
My fiance does not hold any authority over me, so I thereby cannot give over or yield to his "authority". He also does not make decisions for me - so thereby I cannot defer to his decisions. We make decisions together.
And guess what... he's in the seminary to become a minister! Imagine that... I'm a happy Unitarian Univeralist, and he's fine with that because he respects my intelligence and my decisions. Now, if he thought it was his position as "the man" in the relationship to make me convert... well... he'd have to find someone else to marry. Lucky for both of us he has no plans to subject me to his beliefs. And no, I will not convert to Christianity in order to please him/submit to him - I will not compromise my personal beliefs to make another person - ANY person - happy. Without my personal beliefs, I am not me, I am nothing. I'm happy to have found someone to share my life with who is confident and true enough to understand and celebrate this.
Scripture concerning how husbands and wives... how a woman must treat her husband is almost always listed first and goes into great detail. How husbands must treat their wives is almost always listed second and is more vague, often throwing in jabs about how women need to be cared for and nourished, and how women were the original transgressors.
I think my problem in the scriptures is this - it seems to me women MUST submit to their husbands, but husbands are basically just recommended to submit to their wives. Also, there is much talk of how women are below men on the totem pole. I understand that the Bible was written a long time ago when women were little more than possessions, but it still makes my blood boil to read:
1 TIMOTHY 2.11 - "Let a woman learn in silence with full submission" - what is "full" submission? Can a woman not ask questions, or debate what she is being taught?
1 TIMOTHY 2.12 - "I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent" - how can a couple make a decision together if the woman cannot voice her opinion? Also... better fire all those female professors we have in our universities...
EPHESIANS 5.23 - "For the husband is the head of the wife just as Christ is the head of the church, the body of which he is the Savior." This just screams inequality to me.
EPHESIANS 5.24 - "Just as the church is subject to Christ, so also wives ought to be, in everything, to their husbands." So, women should be completely subject to their husbands? If I married someone who told me that I could never own dogs, would I have to give up my one true passion in life?
EPHESIANS 5.29 - "For no one ever hates his own body, but he nourishes and tenderly cares for it, just as Christ does for the church," - I for one do not need to be tenderly cared for. We can manage on our own, we don't need to be coddled. I am not a child, I am a grown woman who can take care of herself. I am not delicate.
Okay, end of rant. This is all I'm going to say on the matter. I believe in equality. Sumbission to another gender is just beyond me, even put into the guise of "you should want to do it". I don't, and I won't. I do nice things for my fiance because I love him and he's a great person - not because he's got an appendage in his pants that I don't have, or because a book says he came first and that I was created to serve him in one way or another.
From the dictionary...
sub·mit /səbˈmɪt/
1. to give over or yield to the power or authority of another
2. to subject to some kind of treatment or influence.
3. to present for the approval, consideration, or decision of another or others
4. to state or urge with deference; suggest or propose
5. to yield oneself to the power or authority of another
6. to allow oneself to be subjected to some kind of treatment
7. to defer to another's judgment, opinion, decision, etc.
My fiance does not hold any authority over me, so I thereby cannot give over or yield to his "authority". He also does not make decisions for me - so thereby I cannot defer to his decisions. We make decisions together.
And guess what... he's in the seminary to become a minister! Imagine that... I'm a happy Unitarian Univeralist, and he's fine with that because he respects my intelligence and my decisions. Now, if he thought it was his position as "the man" in the relationship to make me convert... well... he'd have to find someone else to marry. Lucky for both of us he has no plans to subject me to his beliefs. And no, I will not convert to Christianity in order to please him/submit to him - I will not compromise my personal beliefs to make another person - ANY person - happy. Without my personal beliefs, I am not me, I am nothing. I'm happy to have found someone to share my life with who is confident and true enough to understand and celebrate this.
Scripture concerning how husbands and wives... how a woman must treat her husband is almost always listed first and goes into great detail. How husbands must treat their wives is almost always listed second and is more vague, often throwing in jabs about how women need to be cared for and nourished, and how women were the original transgressors.
I think my problem in the scriptures is this - it seems to me women MUST submit to their husbands, but husbands are basically just recommended to submit to their wives. Also, there is much talk of how women are below men on the totem pole. I understand that the Bible was written a long time ago when women were little more than possessions, but it still makes my blood boil to read:
1 TIMOTHY 2.11 - "Let a woman learn in silence with full submission" - what is "full" submission? Can a woman not ask questions, or debate what she is being taught?
1 TIMOTHY 2.12 - "I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent" - how can a couple make a decision together if the woman cannot voice her opinion? Also... better fire all those female professors we have in our universities...
EPHESIANS 5.23 - "For the husband is the head of the wife just as Christ is the head of the church, the body of which he is the Savior." This just screams inequality to me.
EPHESIANS 5.24 - "Just as the church is subject to Christ, so also wives ought to be, in everything, to their husbands." So, women should be completely subject to their husbands? If I married someone who told me that I could never own dogs, would I have to give up my one true passion in life?
EPHESIANS 5.29 - "For no one ever hates his own body, but he nourishes and tenderly cares for it, just as Christ does for the church," - I for one do not need to be tenderly cared for. We can manage on our own, we don't need to be coddled. I am not a child, I am a grown woman who can take care of herself. I am not delicate.
Okay, end of rant. This is all I'm going to say on the matter. I believe in equality. Sumbission to another gender is just beyond me, even put into the guise of "you should want to do it". I don't, and I won't. I do nice things for my fiance because I love him and he's a great person - not because he's got an appendage in his pants that I don't have, or because a book says he came first and that I was created to serve him in one way or another.
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I would like to learn certain skills that I'm sure are taught in that class, perhaps the little nifty tricks to get stains out of clothes without resorting to Shout, how to make bread by hand, etc. Most of these I can have my mom teach me though.
I'm surprised there isn't an uprising to make the class open to all...though it is the Baptists so I guess I'm not really all that surprised.
I for one have gotten into a career path that will allow me to have the best of both worlds. I will be an active contributor to the household as well as being able to be a stay-at-home-mom. While I am a huge feminist and fully support women having careers, I also know that growing up, it would have been nice to not have been a latch-key kid 9 months out of the year. Mom was a teacher so we had summers with her. Never got me into trouble but still...would have been nice.
I'm surprised there isn't an uprising to make the class open to all...though it is the Baptists so I guess I'm not really all that surprised.
I for one have gotten into a career path that will allow me to have the best of both worlds. I will be an active contributor to the household as well as being able to be a stay-at-home-mom. While I am a huge feminist and fully support women having careers, I also know that growing up, it would have been nice to not have been a latch-key kid 9 months out of the year. Mom was a teacher so we had summers with her. Never got me into trouble but still...would have been nice.
I hope this is fitting to be posted here 
God's Letter To Woman
When I created the heavens and the earth, I spoke them into being.
When I created man, I formed him and breathed life into his nostrils.
But you, woman, I fashioned after I breathed the breath of life into man, because your nostrils are too delicate.
I allowed a deep sleep to come over him so I could patiently and perfectly fashion you.
Man was put to sleep so that he could not interfere with the creativity.
From one bone, I fashioned you.
I chose the bone that protects man's life.
I chose the rib, which protects his heart and lungs and supports him, as you are meant to do.
Around this one bone, I shaped you....... I modeled you.
I created you perfectly and beautifully.
Your characteristics are as the rib, strong yet delicate and fragile.
You provide protection for the most delicate organ in man, his heart.
His heart is the center of his being; his lungs hold the breath of life.
The ribcage will allow itself to be broken before it will allow damage to the heart.
Support man as the rib cage supports the body.
You were not taken from his feet, to be under him, nor were you taken from his head, to be above him.
You were taken from his side, to stand beside him and be held close to his side.
You are my perfect angel.....You are my beautiful little girl.
You have grown to be a splendid woman of excellence, and my eyes fill when I see the virtues in your heart.
Your eyes...don't change them.
Your lips, how lovely when they part in prayer.
Your nose, so perfect in form.
Your hands so gentle to touch. I've caressed your face in your deepest sleep.
I've held your heart close to mine.
Of all that lives and breathes, you are most like me.
Adam walked with me in the cool of the day, yet he was lonely.
He could not See me or touch me. He could only feel me.
So everything I wanted Adam to share and experience with me, I fashioned in
you; my Holiness, my Strength, my Purity, my Love, my Protection and Support.
You are special because you are an extension of me.
Man represents my image, woman my emotions. Together, you represent the totality of God.
So man......treat woman well.
Love her, respect her, for she is fragile. In hurting her, you hurt me.
What you do to her, you do to me.
In crushing her, you only damage your own heart; the heart of your Father, and the heart of her Father.
Woman, support man. In humility, show him the power of emotion I have given you.
In gentle quietness, show your strength.
In love, show him that you are the rib that protects his inner self.
If only all the husbands & wives would remember that when they got married, they each became a half of only ONE flesh, maybe there would be no such thing as divorce.. and no need to debate about who's ruling over whom
God's Letter To Woman
When I created the heavens and the earth, I spoke them into being.
When I created man, I formed him and breathed life into his nostrils.
But you, woman, I fashioned after I breathed the breath of life into man, because your nostrils are too delicate.
I allowed a deep sleep to come over him so I could patiently and perfectly fashion you.
Man was put to sleep so that he could not interfere with the creativity.
From one bone, I fashioned you.
I chose the bone that protects man's life.
I chose the rib, which protects his heart and lungs and supports him, as you are meant to do.
Around this one bone, I shaped you....... I modeled you.
I created you perfectly and beautifully.
Your characteristics are as the rib, strong yet delicate and fragile.
You provide protection for the most delicate organ in man, his heart.
His heart is the center of his being; his lungs hold the breath of life.
The ribcage will allow itself to be broken before it will allow damage to the heart.
Support man as the rib cage supports the body.
You were not taken from his feet, to be under him, nor were you taken from his head, to be above him.
You were taken from his side, to stand beside him and be held close to his side.
You are my perfect angel.....You are my beautiful little girl.
You have grown to be a splendid woman of excellence, and my eyes fill when I see the virtues in your heart.
Your eyes...don't change them.
Your lips, how lovely when they part in prayer.
Your nose, so perfect in form.
Your hands so gentle to touch. I've caressed your face in your deepest sleep.
I've held your heart close to mine.
Of all that lives and breathes, you are most like me.
Adam walked with me in the cool of the day, yet he was lonely.
He could not See me or touch me. He could only feel me.
So everything I wanted Adam to share and experience with me, I fashioned in
you; my Holiness, my Strength, my Purity, my Love, my Protection and Support.
You are special because you are an extension of me.
Man represents my image, woman my emotions. Together, you represent the totality of God.
So man......treat woman well.
Love her, respect her, for she is fragile. In hurting her, you hurt me.
What you do to her, you do to me.
In crushing her, you only damage your own heart; the heart of your Father, and the heart of her Father.
Woman, support man. In humility, show him the power of emotion I have given you.
In gentle quietness, show your strength.
In love, show him that you are the rib that protects his inner self.
If only all the husbands & wives would remember that when they got married, they each became a half of only ONE flesh, maybe there would be no such thing as divorce.. and no need to debate about who's ruling over whom
Sorry, I can't say I really like this. I mean, while better than saying women should submit to men, this is still totally following male/female stereotypes.
Blech, I hate being referred to as "delicate".
And just to be a jackass, is the heart *really* the most delicate organ?? I mean, its made of some pretty thick muscle...they woulda at least been slightly more accurate saying the lungs I would think...those babies are pretty delicate. I would think your brain would be even more delicate. ANd what about your spleen? its just like a mass of pulp...they cant even sew it back up cause its so freaking delicate.
i wouldn't take the class -.- i hate cooking/cleaning/sewing... but hey i learned to crochet at work . i know how but don't like it enough to want to take a class on it.
personally i applaud all who can be stay at home wives/mothers but i couldn't do it. my days off work i can't stay at home i get bored and feel cooped up. i love my house but i haveto be out doing something.
as for looking down on housewives it's not really that i look down on them... it's hard to explain. an example would be my friend from high school. she went to college to find a guy get married and have a family... i know that's all some women wish for but i guess i'm too... well don't even know the word to describe it. but i want to do fun amazing things. i want to do great at my job, i want to travel and as selfish as it sounds i want to be able to do things without having to worry about a husband or child it does make me feel awkward hanging out with old friendssometimes. because they're all seriously dating or married or engaged and i'm totally in love with my singe life.
my family says i got jeff blood lol. he's my uncle. he works he has a nice house and he travels like CRAZY. he went to japan a few years ago. hawaii this year. he backpacked across europe. he went to china for a while. he's skydived, scuba dived, bunjie jumped, hangglidded, cliff dived, surfed, flow an airplane everything you can think of. thats the life i want :O
. i know how but don't like it enough to want to take a class on it.personally i applaud all who can be stay at home wives/mothers but i couldn't do it. my days off work i can't stay at home i get bored and feel cooped up. i love my house but i haveto be out doing something.
as for looking down on housewives it's not really that i look down on them... it's hard to explain. an example would be my friend from high school. she went to college to find a guy get married and have a family... i know that's all some women wish for but i guess i'm too... well don't even know the word to describe it. but i want to do fun amazing things. i want to do great at my job, i want to travel and as selfish as it sounds i want to be able to do things without having to worry about a husband or child
it does make me feel awkward hanging out with old friendssometimes. because they're all seriously dating or married or engaged and i'm totally in love with my singe life. my family says i got jeff blood lol. he's my uncle. he works he has a nice house and he travels like CRAZY. he went to japan a few years ago. hawaii this year. he backpacked across europe. he went to china for a while. he's skydived, scuba dived, bunjie jumped, hangglidded, cliff dived, surfed, flow an airplane everything you can think of. thats the life i want :O
I think that to submit meant to submit. It doesn't mean to "share" or "give and take". If it did, the Bible would word it that way. Or, it would say something about husbands also submitting to their wives. And as Sizzledog helpfully pointed out, there are plenty of other scriptures that blatently show that "give and take" was not the meaning of submit.
I think it was amusing to read that the school believes following this creed will create such harmonious marriages that others will marvel. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that these kinds of marriages will be horrible or something---I'm sure there are couples who love that kind of relationship. It's just that there are plenty of wonderful marriages out there that don't involve the whole "submitting" thing.
I think it was amusing to read that the school believes following this creed will create such harmonious marriages that others will marvel. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that these kinds of marriages will be horrible or something---I'm sure there are couples who love that kind of relationship. It's just that there are plenty of wonderful marriages out there that don't involve the whole "submitting" thing.
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I hope this is fitting to be posted here
God's Letter To Woman
When I created the heavens and the earth, I spoke them into being.
When I created man, I formed him and breathed life into his nostrils.
But you, woman, I fashioned after I breathed the breath of life into man, because your nostrils are too delicate.
I allowed a deep sleep to come over him so I could patiently and perfectly fashion you.
Man was put to sleep so that he could not interfere with the creativity.
From one bone, I fashioned you.
I chose the bone that protects man's life.
I chose the rib, which protects his heart and lungs and supports him, as you are meant to do.
Around this one bone, I shaped you....... I modeled you.
I created you perfectly and beautifully.
Your characteristics are as the rib, strong yet delicate and fragile.
You provide protection for the most delicate organ in man, his heart.
His heart is the center of his being; his lungs hold the breath of life.
The ribcage will allow itself to be broken before it will allow damage to the heart.
Support man as the rib cage supports the body.
You were not taken from his feet, to be under him, nor were you taken from his head, to be above him.
You were taken from his side, to stand beside him and be held close to his side.
You are my perfect angel.....You are my beautiful little girl.
You have grown to be a splendid woman of excellence, and my eyes fill when I see the virtues in your heart.
Your eyes...don't change them.
Your lips, how lovely when they part in prayer.
Your nose, so perfect in form.
Your hands so gentle to touch. I've caressed your face in your deepest sleep.
I've held your heart close to mine.
Of all that lives and breathes, you are most like me.
Adam walked with me in the cool of the day, yet he was lonely.
He could not See me or touch me. He could only feel me.
So everything I wanted Adam to share and experience with me, I fashioned in
you; my Holiness, my Strength, my Purity, my Love, my Protection and Support.
You are special because you are an extension of me.
Man represents my image, woman my emotions. Together, you represent the totality of God.
So man......treat woman well.
Love her, respect her, for she is fragile. In hurting her, you hurt me.
What you do to her, you do to me.
In crushing her, you only damage your own heart; the heart of your Father, and the heart of her Father.
Woman, support man. In humility, show him the power of emotion I have given you.
In gentle quietness, show your strength.
In love, show him that you are the rib that protects his inner self.
If only all the husbands & wives would remember that when they got married, they each became a half of only ONE flesh, maybe there would be no such thing as divorce.. and no need to debate about who's ruling over whom
God's Letter To Woman
When I created the heavens and the earth, I spoke them into being.
When I created man, I formed him and breathed life into his nostrils.
But you, woman, I fashioned after I breathed the breath of life into man, because your nostrils are too delicate.
I allowed a deep sleep to come over him so I could patiently and perfectly fashion you.
Man was put to sleep so that he could not interfere with the creativity.
From one bone, I fashioned you.
I chose the bone that protects man's life.
I chose the rib, which protects his heart and lungs and supports him, as you are meant to do.
Around this one bone, I shaped you....... I modeled you.
I created you perfectly and beautifully.
Your characteristics are as the rib, strong yet delicate and fragile.
You provide protection for the most delicate organ in man, his heart.
His heart is the center of his being; his lungs hold the breath of life.
The ribcage will allow itself to be broken before it will allow damage to the heart.
Support man as the rib cage supports the body.
You were not taken from his feet, to be under him, nor were you taken from his head, to be above him.
You were taken from his side, to stand beside him and be held close to his side.
You are my perfect angel.....You are my beautiful little girl.
You have grown to be a splendid woman of excellence, and my eyes fill when I see the virtues in your heart.
Your eyes...don't change them.
Your lips, how lovely when they part in prayer.
Your nose, so perfect in form.
Your hands so gentle to touch. I've caressed your face in your deepest sleep.
I've held your heart close to mine.
Of all that lives and breathes, you are most like me.
Adam walked with me in the cool of the day, yet he was lonely.
He could not See me or touch me. He could only feel me.
So everything I wanted Adam to share and experience with me, I fashioned in
you; my Holiness, my Strength, my Purity, my Love, my Protection and Support.
You are special because you are an extension of me.
Man represents my image, woman my emotions. Together, you represent the totality of God.
So man......treat woman well.
Love her, respect her, for she is fragile. In hurting her, you hurt me.
What you do to her, you do to me.
In crushing her, you only damage your own heart; the heart of your Father, and the heart of her Father.
Woman, support man. In humility, show him the power of emotion I have given you.
In gentle quietness, show your strength.
In love, show him that you are the rib that protects his inner self.
If only all the husbands & wives would remember that when they got married, they each became a half of only ONE flesh, maybe there would be no such thing as divorce.. and no need to debate about who's ruling over whom
As far as those classes go, I think it depends on the woman. Just like anything else, one woman's opinion of bliss isn't always another's.
I have never wanted to be a high powered executive, it just doesn't look like the life for me. But I don't tell woman who are that it's dumb or wrong. It's their choice in what makes them happy.
Like Puck, I would hope that this church (and others) would be sure and read/understand THE WHOLE picture before pushing some ideas onto their members/students.
And this is the reason that I love Kevin so very much. He does a much better job holding up "his end" of the deal than I do holding up mine. I know it, he knows it, and he still loves me and keeps his end upheld. I truly do TRY, LOL..........but it doesn't always go as planned
As far as those classes go, I think it depends on the woman. Just like anything else, one woman's opinion of bliss isn't always another's.
I have never wanted to be a high powered executive, it just doesn't look like the life for me. But I don't tell woman who are that it's dumb or wrong. It's their choice in what makes them happy.
Like Puck, I would hope that this church (and others) would be sure and read/understand THE WHOLE picture before pushing some ideas onto their members/students.
As far as those classes go, I think it depends on the woman. Just like anything else, one woman's opinion of bliss isn't always another's.
I have never wanted to be a high powered executive, it just doesn't look like the life for me. But I don't tell woman who are that it's dumb or wrong. It's their choice in what makes them happy.
Like Puck, I would hope that this church (and others) would be sure and read/understand THE WHOLE picture before pushing some ideas onto their members/students.
hubby seems to be better at it than I am. He often laughs at me because there are times where I will NOT make a decision to save my life lol "what do you want for dinner?" I always answer with "I don't know, whatever you feel like" LOL I just can't make a decision. but when I DO make a decision... there is no talking me out of it hahaha. and then I pout if it doesn't happen haha.... I wish i wasn't like that.... I'm so wishy washy sometimes. Poor guy never knows what to expect from me... lol I keep him on his toes. But I do try
I guess I am just not as caught up in the whole women's lib and think that I need to assert my "authority" or "independance" in every situation I come across. I am who I am.... I don't need to scream out "I am woman" from the mountain tops anytime I hear a word that I dont like. I don't need to prove to anyone that I am capable or that I deserve equal respect, if you aren't going to treat me respectfully then I am not going to waste my breath and energy on you. You are not worthy of the love I am willing to give.
My husband is a WONDERFUL man. We give in to each others wishes at times. Sometimes we go with what I want and sometimes we go with what he wants.... this whole "we make decision together" is kind of well... funny. Of course you come to a conclusion together... but for the most part someone is not getting their way lol. for example say..."you look at a house.... you like it because it is beautiful. Hubby is not so fond of how much it will cost." SOMEONE in that scenario is going to have to "submit" or in other words.... give in to the others ideals. I can't have a house just because it's pretty if it is going to totally break us and put us in severe debt lol. So while I may agree that his concern about the cost is a bigger factor than "it's pretty".... it definitely wasn't what I wanted to have happen... but I would give in to that. As I'm sure he would have given in if we could have afforded the house.
Some friends of ours for example, He adores her, loves her, respects her and does everything he can to make her happy. She is one of those "I am woman hear me roar" type of girls... and she is TERRIBLE to him. she belittles him in front of people, she yells at him, she makes him feel stupid or incompetent. he NEVER makes her feel that way. he "submits" to her wishes because he loves her and wants to do what he can to make her happy.... she however will never "submit" to him even if it will make him happy.... instead she belittles him until she gets her way.
I don't know.... I think people just get caught up too much in what one word means.... instead of what a whole passage reads. But again I think it's just that we are reading it and interpreting it in different ways.
True. Making a decision together doesn't mean that you compromise every time (or even most of the time). But to me, it means that both inputs were given equal weight, and you both agreed on the conclusion. There's a difference between conceding to the other person because you wanted to, and conceding because you are suppossed to.
Just to clarify it a bit.. It is not a mystery at all if "the Church" is understood as a community of Jesus' followers. He established it while he was still with His disciples.
"And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it." (Mt. 16:18)
"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." (Mt. 18:20).
His people are His Church. and they were there with Jesus when he walked the earth.
"And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it." (Mt. 16:18)
"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." (Mt. 18:20).
His people are His Church. and they were there with Jesus when he walked the earth.
To understand how profound a command Jesus gave to all husbands when he said, "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church" - we must first understand (i.e, believe) how MUCH Jesus loves His people. By embracing our humanity, he shares His divinity with us. He came down from Heaven to be one just like us, He suffered and died to save us, He supports, comforts us, and walks beside us in all the walks of our lives..
If my husband loves me as much as Jesus did His Church, I would submit to him any time without any complains - I don't submit because I fear him, or because he holds any superiority upon me. I "submit" to him because I love him, and he loves me more. Actually, I think when reading the Bible (specially this beautiful passage), we tend to get too held up on a single word, thus loose sight of the meaning embedded in the entire paragraph.
If my husband loves me as much as Jesus did His Church, I would submit to him any time without any complains
- I don't submit because I fear him, or because he holds any superiority upon me. I "submit" to him because I love him, and he loves me more. Actually, I think when reading the Bible (specially this beautiful passage), we tend to get too held up on a single word, thus loose sight of the meaning embedded in the entire paragraph.
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To understand how profound a command Jesus gave to all husbands when he said, "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church" - we must first understand (i.e, believe) how MUCH Jesus loves His people. By embracing our humanity, he shares His divinity with us. He came down from Heaven to be one just like us, He suffered and died to save us, He supports, comforts us, and walks beside us in all the walks of our lives..
If my husband loves me as much as Jesus did His Church, I would submit to him any time without any complains - I don't submit because I fear him, or because he holds any superiority upon me. I "submit" to him because I love him, and he loves me more. Actually, I think when reading the Bible (specially this beautiful passage), we tend to get too held up on a single word, thus loose sight of the meaning embedded in the entire paragraph.
If my husband loves me as much as Jesus did His Church, I would submit to him any time without any complains
- I don't submit because I fear him, or because he holds any superiority upon me. I "submit" to him because I love him, and he loves me more. Actually, I think when reading the Bible (specially this beautiful passage), we tend to get too held up on a single word, thus loose sight of the meaning embedded in the entire paragraph.
Great post....
This is what I have been trying to say. You worded it much better. Thank you