College degree in housekeeping

[Renee750il]

Yes I was trying to bait you into something. But it was merely a passing impulse. I still don't see how Jesus loved a church that wasn't established till 300 years after his death. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_chov.htm

Oh well, I guess it's a mystery.

Howzabout a non-Christian answers this one

Scripturally, Jesus DID found the church - he founded it upon Peter, the Rock. I forget the chapter and verse that gives the account, but it's there.

Three years in a fundamental, independent Baptist school taught by a bunch of Bob Jones University crazies, er, I mean, GRADUATES didn't entirely go to waste

 

[darkchild16]

LOL go mom!!!!

 

[M&M's Mommy]

Howzabout a non-Christian answers this one

Scripturally, Jesus DID found the church - he founded it upon Peter, the Rock.

- Chosen by Jesus as the head of the Church, St. Peter was therefore the first Pope, and the current pope Benedict XVI is his 265th direct successor!

:hail: (for someone who's non-Christian (as you said so yourself) - you seem to know Scriptures a lot better than some Christians I know )

PS: see post#56

 

[Georgygirl]

Yeah, their view on equality doesn't quite jive with mine. I don't submit to anyone, and I don't expect anyone to submit to me. You can try to dress it up all you want to, but to submit is to basically give someone else total control over you. I would NEVER want to do that to someone. I will respect someone else, and I may expect respect from others. I think I would lose a lot of myself if I submitted to someone else. My bf and I have very different religious and political viewpoints, but we have enough respect for each other that it doesn't become an issue and hasn't for the past three and a half years we've been together. (though I've had a few clashes with his mother ) We also live together and do chores equally too. Nobody is designated certain chores, it's just whatever someone wants to do that day. Like some days I'll cook and wash the dishes and he'll do the laundry, but it changes everyday. If one person is having a particularly tough/busy day, the other will take care of most of the chores. That's respect, not submission.

 

[Laurelin]

i want to do great at my job, i want to travel and as selfish as it sounds i want to be able to do things without having to worry about a husband or child

Yoko, I am the exact same way. I don't want a serious boyfriend or anything of that sort AT ALL because I refuse to be tied down. Maybe one day I'll be more open to that, but not now and not soon. And many of my friends are getting married! I look at marriage as being so undesirable right now. I'm far too selfish to deal with that and I am unwilling to change. Now is a time for me, and I plan on making good use of that time. I don't think it's bad to be selfish especially now.

because I'm not interested in those things, I get called a man hater a lot, lol! Oh well, I'm not....

Maybe I'll be the crazy dog lady all my life. i'd actually be just fine with that.

but back to the OP, I think it's disturbing and I'm a Christian and I go to a Baptist church lol. Men and women should both be allowed in those kinds of classes if they want to.

but it does annoy me when people (especially my uber feminist eager to get married friend (i don't get that, but that's just me)) do not approve of stay at home mothers. Perhaps family is what is important to those women. Maybe they're not just staying at home because that's what their supposed to do, but instead because they want to. Not everyone is career driven and not every woman should work just to prove she's not under 'the man'.

 

[sparks19]

but it does annoy me when people (especially my uber feminist eager to get married friend (i don't get that, but that's just me)) do not approve of stay at home mothers. Perhaps family is what is important to those women. Maybe they're not just staying at home because that's what their supposed to do, but instead because they want to. Not everyone is career driven and not every woman should work just to prove she's not under 'the man'.

:hail::hail::hail:


Good post.

I am not a stay at home mom because that is my "role" or because I am under the rule of my husband. That seems to be how a lot of people view Stay at home moms...

I am a stay at home mom because that is important to me and to my family as a whole. I think it is more important for me to be here for my daughter and raise her than for me to be out working just to "prove I can".

 

[sparks19]

Yeah, their view on equality doesn't quite jive with mine. I don't submit to anyone, and I don't expect anyone to submit to me. You can try to dress it up all you want to, but to submit is to basically give someone else total control over you. I would NEVER want to do that to someone. I will respect someone else, and I may expect respect from others. I think I would lose a lot of myself if I submitted to someone else. My bf and I have very different religious and political viewpoints, but we have enough respect for each other that it doesn't become an issue and hasn't for the past three and a half years we've been together. (though I've had a few clashes with his mother ) We also live together and do chores equally too. Nobody is designated certain chores, it's just whatever someone wants to do that day. Like some days I'll cook and wash the dishes and he'll do the laundry, but it changes everyday. If one person is having a particularly tough/busy day, the other will take care of most of the chores. That's respect, not submission.

Please don't think that because my husband and I can relate to that passage that it means that he has total control over me or I him.... or that we don't respect each other.... or share the household duties ... etc etc. We have one of the most open, honest, loving, respectful relationships I have ever seen. We ARE one flesh.... if I may be so humble LOL I think we are a very good example of what that WHOLE passage is all actually about.

Again.... people are solely concentrating on ONE word and not the whole scripture.

 

[Renee750il]

Please don't think that because my husband and I can relate to that passage that it means that he has total control over me or I him.... or that we don't respect each other.... or share the household duties ... etc etc. We have one of the most open, honest, loving, respectful relationships I have ever seen. We ARE one flesh.... if I may be so humble LOL I think we are a very good example of what that WHOLE passage is all actually about.

Again.... people are solely concentrating on ONE word and not the whole scripture.

BWUAHAHAHAAAAA . . . . Puck? Controlling Sparks? :lol-sign:

For one thing, I think Puck is far too intelligent to even WANT to go there Besides, where would the fun be in that?

And yes, Sparks, from what I know of the two of you, you ARE an excellent example of what that passage is about.

 

[sparks19]

BWUAHAHAHAAAAA . . . . Puck? Controlling Sparks? :lol-sign:

For one thing, I think Puck is far too intelligent to even WANT to go there Besides, where would the fun be in that?

And yes, Sparks, from what I know of the two of you, you ARE an excellent example of what that passage is about.

lol yeah I had a little giggle when i was writing that too lol.... Honestly, the way he talks about me to his hockey buddies.... if they didn't know me they would think I am abusive to him LOL. He's so funny.

 

[Georgygirl]

Please don't think that because my husband and I can relate to that passage that it means that he has total control over me or I him.... or that we don't respect each other.... or share the household duties ... etc etc. We have one of the most open, honest, loving, respectful relationships I have ever seen. We ARE one flesh.... if I may be so humble LOL I think we are a very good example of what that WHOLE passage is all actually about.

Again.... people are solely concentrating on ONE word and not the whole scripture.

My little rant was about some people's interpretation (or misinterpretation really) of the bible more than what the bible really says. Some people take that passage and the word submit a little more literally than it's probably intended, and that's not something I agree with. When it's used to justify putting a man in one role and a woman in another role beneath him that is what irks me. THough, the word submit does kind of bother me a bit because it has a negative connotation to me, but I try to take into account the time period that the passage was written.

 

[sparks19]

My little rant was about some people's interpretation (or misinterpretation really) of the bible more than what the bible really says. Some people take that passage and the word submit a little more literally than it's probably intended, and that's not something I agree with. When it's used to justify putting a man in one role and a woman in another role beneath him that is what irks me. THough, the word submit does kind of bother me a bit because it has a negative connotation to me, but I try to take into account the time period that the passage was written.

hehe Yeah... I'm not sure Websters dictionary was around when the bible was written.... Although I can just picture them sitting there "Hmmm.... what was the word for that? Hey can you pass me Webster" hehe

yeah I guess it really is all in interpretation.

personally I think the man has the tougher job.... we might have to "submit" but he has to be willing to die for us as Christ died for the Church.

 

[Laurelin]

:hail::hail::hail:


Good post.

I am not a stay at home mom because that is my "role" or because I am under the rule of my husband. That seems to be how a lot of people view Stay at home moms...

I am a stay at home mom because that is important to me and to my family as a whole. I think it is more important for me to be here for my daughter and raise her than for me to be out working just to "prove I can".

Thank you!

My mother is a stay at home mom and a wonderful, hard working woman. She's stayed at home since I was very young because it was very important to her to be there for her children especially Josie with all the hardships she has faced. It irks me talking to people (once again especially my friend I mentioned) who look down on her for those decisions. Not everyone is going to want to live the same kind of life and no one should be forced into a lifestyle just because the lifestyle they prefer is or isn't the 'typical' one. Most very very 'feminist' people I've talked to seem to feel that that's perpetuating sexism, but to me if you're a feminist shouldn't you want a woman to have the freedom to CHOOSE? A woman's choice to be a stay at home mom is her choice, just like a father choosing to be a stay at home dad. and one other really really annoying generalization is that stay at home moms are always sitting around, fixing dinner and bowing down to their husbands which is not true at all.

Sorry for keeping off topic lol. I just had a 'heated discussion' about this with my friend.

 

[sparks19]

Thank you!

My mother is a stay at home mom and a wonderful, hard working woman. She's stayed at home since I was very young because it was very important to her to be there for her children especially Josie with all the hardships she has faced. It irks me talking to people (once again especially my friend I mentioned) who look down on her for those decisions. Not everyone is going to want to live the same kind of life and no one should be forced into a lifestyle just because the lifestyle they prefer is or isn't the 'typical' one. Most very very 'feminist' people I've talked to seem to feel that that's perpetuating sexism, but to me if you're a feminist shouldn't you want a woman to have the freedom to CHOOSE? A woman's choice to be a stay at home mom is her choice, just like a father choosing to be a stay at home dad. and one other really really annoying generalization is that stay at home moms are always sitting around, fixing dinner and bowing down to their husbands which is not true at all.

Sorry for keeping off topic lol. I just had a 'heated discussion' about this with my friend.

Don't be sorry... I don't think this is offtopic at all.

The part I highlighted is something I just said to my husband the other night....

WHY is it that being a stay at home mom is viewed as "setting women back to the time before we could vote" Why is that?

You want to be TRULY about women's rights? Then don't go out there and ACT like you have something to prove... just go out there and do what you do. If you want to be a stay at home mom... GOOD FOR YOU... it's not an easy job and it does not need to be "glamorized" as a domestic engineer.... or whatever people call it these days. you are a stay at home mom and you should be PROUD... not everyone can do that job. If you want to go out and have a great career... GOOD FOR YOU.... but I hope you are doing it because you WANT to ... not just because you think it will help push women's rights. Just because you think it's your duty as a women.... do it for YOU and your family.

burning your bra is out ladies

 

[Renee750il]

A woman's most valuable right is her right to choose the path through life that best pleases her.

 

[blue]

A human's most valuable right is the right to choose the path through life that best pleases them.

Fixed it for you. This sexist crap pisses me off.

 

[Georgygirl]

personally I think the man has the tougher job.... we might have to "submit" but he has to be willing to die for us as Christ died for the Church.

Yeah, they never really emphasized that last part like they should have in my church if ya ask me. But it really wouldn't matter for me, my bf is an atheist. Guess he gets out of that one!:lol-sign:

 

[Dani]

The course itself seems useful, but the chauvinistic ideas behind it makes it unappealing. Minus that, you have a class that has potential.

 

[blue]

If i where in colege I would take that class.

 

[~Jessie~]

Don't be sorry... I don't think this is offtopic at all.

The part I highlighted is something I just said to my husband the other night....

WHY is it that being a stay at home mom is viewed as "setting women back to the time before we could vote" Why is that?

You want to be TRULY about women's rights? Then don't go out there and ACT like you have something to prove... just go out there and do what you do. If you want to be a stay at home mom... GOOD FOR YOU... it's not an easy job and it does not need to be "glamorized" as a domestic engineer.... or whatever people call it these days. you are a stay at home mom and you should be PROUD... not everyone can do that job. If you want to go out and have a great career... GOOD FOR YOU.... but I hope you are doing it because you WANT to ... not just because you think it will help push women's rights. Just because you think it's your duty as a women.... do it for YOU and your family.

burning your bra is out ladies

I completely agree. I have my bachelor's degree, and I'm more than likely going to grad school as well. However, I plan to be a stay at home mom by CHOICE. I think that it's important for one parent to stay home. Raising my own child and being there for all of their big moments is more important to me than a huge career.

I don't understand how anyone can look down on someone for being a stay at home mom or a housewife.

 

[sparks19]

I completely agree. I have my bachelor's degree, and I'm more than likely going to grad school as well. However, I plan to be a stay at home mom by CHOICE. I think that it's important for one parent to stay home. Raising my own child and being there for all of their big moments is more important to me than a huge career.

I don't understand how anyone can look down on someone for being a stay at home mom or a housewife.

Oh ya.... even if I hadn't wanted to be a stay at home mom to begin with .... there is no WAY now that I could leave my little girl everyday and go to work. It kills me to put her to bed lol where I can't see her and play with her and make her smile lol. There is no WAY I could stand being away for 8 + hours a day.

I'm not sure I could forgive myself if I missed her first steps or her first word....The first time she rolled over from her belly to her back I was up and on the phone with my hubby to tell him all about it... he was so disappointed he missed it.... I am glad I was able to be there to capture that moment on tape so he could at least watch it.