Chow Chow Attack
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Back to the original intent of this thread, I just remembered reading from an Aussie breeder that she had one dog that was a fantastic puppy; she had very high hopes for this dog. Well, it hit maturity and it was just like someone had flipped a switch. The dog became so aggressive (I think mostly towards dogs) that first she neutered it to see if that would help and I think in the end she either had to put the dog down or gave it away to someone she knew could handle him.
Well, it only took me like an HOUR AND A HALF to get through this thread!! ANY dog can start having behevioral issues at any time due to unkown reasons. Could be physical, could be mental. Although Chows do have the reputation of not being wired right. You have to take all cases on an individual basis... as I have know "bad" chows and I have known "good" chows.
As for Manchesters... You really need to work on not being so hateful. Perhaps you could take some pointers and/or lessons from Bubbatd who is much older and wiser than you...
As for Manchesters... You really need to work on not being so hateful. Perhaps you could take some pointers and/or lessons from Bubbatd who is much older and wiser than you...
Manchesters, I doubt very much that you are a "canine behaviourist". What credentials do you have? No respectable (or sane) behaviourist would ever recommend putting a dog to sleep WITHOUT EVEN MEETING THE DOG. I know you can be arrogant in the extreme at times, but claiming that you are a behaviourist takes the cake.
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Nope....the dogs didn't go without a thing. They had food and water...they always do. Feed bin, Rubbermaid pan of water. I do have emergency contingences, and was in the process of implementing them when I sat down to rest, and passed out. God looks after my dogs, thankfully. Only set back was the boys were in their crates for 3 days. But each has a huge crate with racks on the bottom so they would be clear of any "accidents" that occur. But they each had a ton of food, and plenty of water.
I was the one who lost 45 pounds in 3 days.
Nope....the dogs didn't go without a thing. They had food and water...they always do. Feed bin, Rubbermaid pan of water. I do have emergency contingences, and was in the process of implementing them when I sat down to rest, and passed out. God looks after my dogs, thankfully. Only set back was the boys were in their crates for 3 days. But each has a huge crate with racks on the bottom so they would be clear of any "accidents" that occur. But they each had a ton of food, and plenty of water.
I was the one who lost 45 pounds in 3 days.
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Credentials??????/
Do you mean how many books have I read on canine psychology? Or how many courses have I taken???????
Well now......I have eaten, breathed slept, dogs for 30 years. I am an expert in reading body language. I SHAPE CANINE BEHAVIOR with admirable results. I would say there is no more qualified or experienced a person on this forum to what I am. Except for Old Dog, perhaps.
Now just what credentials do you have to qualify you to even question me????
Do you mean how many books have I read on canine psychology? Or how many courses have I taken???????
Well now......I have eaten, breathed slept, dogs for 30 years. I am an expert in reading body language. I SHAPE CANINE BEHAVIOR with admirable results. I would say there is no more qualified or experienced a person on this forum to what I am. Except for Old Dog, perhaps.
Now just what credentials do you have to qualify you to even question me????
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Would You People
As far as any rude posts, read the garbage I am responding to.....i.e. Sparks, Lea, etc. I will not tolerate name calling from anyone, nor will I tolerate people saying I abuse my dogs after they just got done talking about a dog getting run over by a car. That is abuse!!!
So if people will simply limit their questions to what they feel is stupid about what I post, and leave the stupid personal cracks out, there will be not problem.
And if someone doesn't like how I respond........get over it. You all are the ones who have beaten it to death. You people seem to find nothing wrong with another poster live with a dog that might eat him/her.
So tell me, good people what is next? After the vet finds out there is nothing medically wrong, THEN do we put the dog down??????
As far as any rude posts, read the garbage I am responding to.....i.e. Sparks, Lea, etc. I will not tolerate name calling from anyone, nor will I tolerate people saying I abuse my dogs after they just got done talking about a dog getting run over by a car. That is abuse!!!
So if people will simply limit their questions to what they feel is stupid about what I post, and leave the stupid personal cracks out, there will be not problem.
And if someone doesn't like how I respond........get over it. You all are the ones who have beaten it to death. You people seem to find nothing wrong with another poster live with a dog that might eat him/her.
So tell me, good people what is next? After the vet finds out there is nothing medically wrong, THEN do we put the dog down??????
Goodness, are you actually claiming that being around dogs for thirty years somehow "makes" you a canine behaviourist? How ridiculous! Then nearly everyone I know must be!
Manchesters, you don't even know the basic principles of training! But, I may be wrong, if you like you can give me your theories on how to treat such things as extinction bursts, and what kinds of reinforcement schedules you use.
Also, I'm sure you've stated that you got a CD once on a doberman. Where I come from, anything less than at least three UD titles wouldn't even be PERMITTED to be classified as a behaviourist!
Experience with dogs, even successful training of dogs does NOT qualify you as a behaviourist, it's downright insulting to those of us who have studied, learned, been tested and passed numerous tests set out by animal behavioursts with university experience!
Manchesters, you don't even know the basic principles of training! But, I may be wrong, if you like you can give me your theories on how to treat such things as extinction bursts, and what kinds of reinforcement schedules you use.
Also, I'm sure you've stated that you got a CD once on a doberman. Where I come from, anything less than at least three UD titles wouldn't even be PERMITTED to be classified as a behaviourist!
Experience with dogs, even successful training of dogs does NOT qualify you as a behaviourist, it's downright insulting to those of us who have studied, learned, been tested and passed numerous tests set out by animal behavioursts with university experience!
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I think I learned about 30 years of experience on dogs in about 8 years. I don't need classes to tell my dog's behavior. I can tell.
I ask what credentials do any of you have to question anybody? I mean were an online community, supposed to be supporting good dog ownership. Manchesters could quite easily be a 10 year old kid. Quite frankly, none of us can prove a thing. I mean I might not even have a dog. I might just be some kid that has nothing better to do.
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Who am I?
I ask what credentials do any of you have to question anybody? I mean were an online community, supposed to be supporting good dog ownership. Manchesters could quite easily be a 10 year old kid. Quite frankly, none of us can prove a thing. I mean I might not even have a dog. I might just be some kid that has nothing better to do.
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Who am I?
If I am an "Old Dog" I'm proud to be one.....and yes, I've been involved for over 50 years, but do not label myself a behaviorist ..... I know practically nothing about other breeds besides goldens, and will only post from my own personal experiences without making a blanket statement. BTW...I'm now hoping not to be mean....your dogs did have something to stand and lay on other than cage gratings I hope for 3 days !! I'm glad God did look after them and that you recovered. Do you have any signals with your neighbors etc if you are in trouble ?? I check in on my elder neighbors... we close our curtains at night...open in the morning...if gone overnight leave 1/2 open ..
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Behaviorists
whats funnier, the part about us quite possibly being liars or that it could just as well be true????
Lol
NONE OF YOU CAN PROVE ANYTHING SO STOP TRYING. Your just making yourselves look like jack@$$es.
We're a friendly online community, filled with fun and support!
And a bunch of mis-behavers!! BEHAVIORIST, BEHAVE THYSELF!!!!
Well now, to me a behaviorist is one who knows canine psychology and body language, and can correctly interpret same. While some people are attending classes READING about behavior, the rest of us are OBSERVING behavior. Others of us are CREATING behavior. It is kinda like asking a vet what you should feed your dog. Unless that vet is also a breeder/exhibitor, they don't have a bloody clue what is a good food. I.E. how many vets have pushed Science Diet over the years, rofl.
A behaviorist must know how an animal thinks and be pretty well able to predict how a dog will react under given circumstances. An canine behaviorist must know how to prevent unwanted behavior from even developing. That is a true behaviorist. Life experience and hands on experience beat anything you can read about in a book. Dogs are individuals......not case studies.
To my viewpoint anyway. Those of us professional dog people do not think at all highly of "behaviorists".....most are a joke, because they generalize behavior. They do not know what to expect from the various breeds based on breed personality. Books are only 1/4 of the process of becoming one versed in canine behavior.
shredhead (DOG LOVER) said:
whats funnier, the part about us quite possibly being liars or that it could just as well be true???? Lol
NONE OF YOU CAN PROVE ANYTHING SO STOP TRYING. Your just making yourselves look like jack@$$es.
We're a friendly online community, filled with fun and support!
Well now, to me a behaviorist is one who knows canine psychology and body language, and can correctly interpret same. While some people are attending classes READING about behavior, the rest of us are OBSERVING behavior. Others of us are CREATING behavior. It is kinda like asking a vet what you should feed your dog. Unless that vet is also a breeder/exhibitor, they don't have a bloody clue what is a good food. I.E. how many vets have pushed Science Diet over the years, rofl.
A behaviorist must know how an animal thinks and be pretty well able to predict how a dog will react under given circumstances. An canine behaviorist must know how to prevent unwanted behavior from even developing. That is a true behaviorist. Life experience and hands on experience beat anything you can read about in a book. Dogs are individuals......not case studies.
To my viewpoint anyway. Those of us professional dog people do not think at all highly of "behaviorists".....most are a joke, because they generalize behavior. They do not know what to expect from the various breeds based on breed personality. Books are only 1/4 of the process of becoming one versed in canine behavior.
Then why do you call yourself one ??? I agree, a true "dog person" knows and understands dog language..... ElinHunter is 30 years younger than I , but knows and " reads" dogs much better than I. Whenever I bring in a boarder or rescue, I like to have her around as she can sense and correct if neccessary.
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Old Dog.....
No....Old Dog the poster.
The dogs have bread racks in their crates. Like the blue ones in the grocery that bread is delivered on. I have given up worrying about their comfort. I have put dacron filled pads in their crates, I have put pads made from the "sheepskin" they use in hospitals, I have folded queen sized top quality percale sheets for beds, etc, and every frigging time the idiots push whatever it is out of the way, and lay on the rack.
There is paper under the racks to absorb liquid, and if by chance they poop, it goes down to the paper. My dogs aren't in the crates for very long at any time....except for Ivan. I was supposedly dead but for the breathing when they got me to the hospital, so I really was not in charge of the system.
Orval who lives next to me, and to whom I am selling the property, came over twice that I remember while I was first comatose. The third time when the paramedics came I do not remember at all.
I usually talk to Old Dog every day, and email my sister in N.C. every day. One thing I would mention to everybody, make sure you have important numbers written down somewhere. These days nobody knows anyone's number "because they have it on speed dial". And since everyone emails today, nobody knows anyone's street address. Makes it hard to connect during emergencies. Pat finally called the State Police and had them come over. My friend Terry from Daytona also called and had them check....both after I had been taken off to the hospital.
But all came out well, considering. Except for taking forever to recover from the Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever. I am still not back to 100%. Likely never will be....but I chug along.
That is a good idea with the curtains. But I only have one window that faces out that I am near, and that is right here near the computer and it is blocked by the tree that the bird feeders are on.
If I could have found a bloody thermometer before Ivan hit, I would have known I was starting a fever, and could have gone to the emergency room. I found all the stinking arsed things after I got back home, naturally!!!!!
Oh well.......poop happens. I was blessed when Ivan hit. The dogs and I could have died.
No....Old Dog the poster.
The dogs have bread racks in their crates. Like the blue ones in the grocery that bread is delivered on. I have given up worrying about their comfort. I have put dacron filled pads in their crates, I have put pads made from the "sheepskin" they use in hospitals, I have folded queen sized top quality percale sheets for beds, etc, and every frigging time the idiots push whatever it is out of the way, and lay on the rack.
There is paper under the racks to absorb liquid, and if by chance they poop, it goes down to the paper. My dogs aren't in the crates for very long at any time....except for Ivan. I was supposedly dead but for the breathing when they got me to the hospital, so I really was not in charge of the system.
Orval who lives next to me, and to whom I am selling the property, came over twice that I remember while I was first comatose. The third time when the paramedics came I do not remember at all.
I usually talk to Old Dog every day, and email my sister in N.C. every day. One thing I would mention to everybody, make sure you have important numbers written down somewhere. These days nobody knows anyone's number "because they have it on speed dial". And since everyone emails today, nobody knows anyone's street address. Makes it hard to connect during emergencies. Pat finally called the State Police and had them come over. My friend Terry from Daytona also called and had them check....both after I had been taken off to the hospital.
But all came out well, considering. Except for taking forever to recover from the Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever. I am still not back to 100%. Likely never will be....but I chug along.
That is a good idea with the curtains. But I only have one window that faces out that I am near, and that is right here near the computer and it is blocked by the tree that the bird feeders are on.
If I could have found a bloody thermometer before Ivan hit, I would have known I was starting a fever, and could have gone to the emergency room. I found all the stinking arsed things after I got back home, naturally!!!!!
Oh well.......poop happens. I was blessed when Ivan hit. The dogs and I could have died.
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Quote Marks
I suspect you are addressing me here? You missed the point of the quote marks. I was talking about the "titled" "credentialed" so called behaviorists.
Oh, and I neglected to mention the point made about having to have 3 UD (or UDT?) titles before becoming a behaviorist? Huh?????? That would prove nothing that I can think of. Teaching a dog something by rote requires no canine psychology in a broad range. I know a lady (or knew her, anyway) who had two OTCHs dogs but didn't know squat about Dobermans. She had Pulik. She didn't know squat about Chihuahuas either, or lots of other breeds. But she sure knew her dogs, lol. Unfortunately Pulik are not your average dog as far as canine psychology goes, rofl.
Anyway, I have been simply living a peaceful quiet and well adjusted life with my little comedians, and must admit I wonder why I bother wasting my time offering help when it is simply going to result in criticism from those who don't even know what I am suggesting, because they have no personal experience to draw from. It would be much more fun to simply read the friendly, politically correct answers from those who have great intentions and desire to help but don't know HOW to help.
Ah well.........I am weary. Need a couple days of sleep. Hope all will have a good day.
Oh......by the way, has it dawned on any of you yet that the original poster in the CHOW thread may have been a TROLL??????
I suspect you are addressing me here? You missed the point of the quote marks. I was talking about the "titled" "credentialed" so called behaviorists.
Oh, and I neglected to mention the point made about having to have 3 UD (or UDT?) titles before becoming a behaviorist? Huh?????? That would prove nothing that I can think of. Teaching a dog something by rote requires no canine psychology in a broad range. I know a lady (or knew her, anyway) who had two OTCHs dogs but didn't know squat about Dobermans. She had Pulik. She didn't know squat about Chihuahuas either, or lots of other breeds. But she sure knew her dogs, lol. Unfortunately Pulik are not your average dog as far as canine psychology goes, rofl.
Anyway, I have been simply living a peaceful quiet and well adjusted life with my little comedians, and must admit I wonder why I bother wasting my time offering help when it is simply going to result in criticism from those who don't even know what I am suggesting, because they have no personal experience to draw from. It would be much more fun to simply read the friendly, politically correct answers from those who have great intentions and desire to help but don't know HOW to help.
Ah well.........I am weary. Need a couple days of sleep. Hope all will have a good day.
Oh......by the way, has it dawned on any of you yet that the original poster in the CHOW thread may have been a TROLL??????
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This is so totally off subject but maybe that's a good thing.....I worked for visiting nurses for awhile. I went to the home of a elderly man to call on his downs syndrome son. First thing I noticed was the newspaper still outside. The man always got his newspaper early morning. The door was locked and he wouldnt answer. I thought he slept in so left for another house. Went back about an hour later, still the paper was outside, door locked and no answer. So I went to the mans sister's house because he would go drink coffee with her every morning. She hadnt heard from him. I was worried sick, just knew something was wrong. So I called the office, convinced them something is wrong. The police were called to break in, sure enough, the man was in his bed, had gone into a coma. That's a scarey thing.
They have bracelets and things you can get to call for help.
They have bracelets and things you can get to call for help.