Chow Chow Attack

[Manchesters]

Rmsf

All's well that ends well ... I agree as to phone #s.....someone asked me a nuber the other day and I said memory #8 !!!! I do have them written down and in my wallet incase of an accident..BTW...our paper today said that the cases of rmsf has risen highly this year !

I get the east/west coast feeds of NBC, and record L.A. 11AM news everyday. They announced today that a case of Spotted Fever had been reported somewhere in the LA area.

Truly I don't think they knew for sure what I had. I was magenta, with white splotches here and there. Arms, legs, hands (and palms), feet (and soles of feet) only. Nothing on torso or face.

The muscles in my legs from knees to hips were obliterated. NO strength. They gave me every antiobiotic they could think of directly into the juglar artery. They only thing they were sure of was that I DID NOT have Lyme's, praise God. I had a second cousin who died of Lyme's, and a cousin and her whole family are fighting it and have been for over 10 years. So.....no matter how bad things get, they could always be much, much worse.

My only symptom was an itchy left leg, that got worse and worse until I wanted to scratch it down to the bone. No rash that could be seen. I could feel bumps, but not see them.

Quit an experience. And since dogs can also get both RMST and Lyme's, this is NOT really off topic, rofl.

 

[bridey_01]

Somehow you've gotten the idea that I work with books and not dogs roflol, of COURSE you have to be able to interpret body language, know breed specific behaviour, be able to predict a dogs next move. If not I would have been dead a LONG time ago! As for not having respect for someone with some in depth knowledge, well that's just plain silly.
I deal with a minimum of five cases a day, six (sometimes seven in emergencies) days a week, lol, I KNOW dogs.
As for labelling yourself a behaviourist based on experience, well, that's just not allowed. Maybe a dog trainer, but not a behaviourist.

 

[moe]

Well at the end of a very long topic( at least I hope its the end) I have learnt a few things, 1, dont buy a chow, if Manchester is about as she will give you a two hour lecture on all the reasons not to buy, 2. that at one time I thought manchester had a lot of good information, but now realise I can just read a book and get exactly the same information, but without the abuse, 3. dont mention a problem with my dog as Manchester will automatically advise it to be put to sleep, without offering one constructive word of advice. 4 that Manchester has a chip on her shoulder the size of a house, that is only beaten in size by her own arrogance.5 that I know know the name of the trolls that ruin good forums and that name is probably Manchester.

Mo

 

[bridey_01]

I dont particularily have a problem with her, other than she thinks she is the utter be all and end all of nearly every dog topic. Usually I'll leave well enough alone, but when she gets the nerve up to label herself a behaviourist (without being able to answer even the simplest behavioural questions!) I really had to butt in. But, I'm willing to cede her the "more knowledge" award in areas that I know not much about, such as breeding. In my world we call her the Breedhaviourist, a term used to describe breeders who think they know it all

 

[bridey_01]

Oh, and to the OP, sorry for your thread becoming so ragingly off topic (which I admit I contributed to).
Don't put your dog to sleep, I doubt you would consider it at all, but if you do think of that as an option get the opinion of more than one certified behaviourists. Even then no good canine behaviourist would recommend putting a dog to sleep, even the worst aggression cases DO have hope.

 

[Manchesters]

I dont particularily have a problem with her, other than she thinks she is the utter be all and end all of nearly every dog topic. Usually I'll leave well enough alone, but when she gets the nerve up to label herself a behaviourist (without being able to answer even the simplest behavioural questions!) I really had to butt in. But, I'm willing to cede her the "more knowledge" award in areas that I know not much about, such as breeding. In my world we call her the Breedhaviourist, a term used to describe breeders who think they know it all

And in my world, those of us who actually know what we are talking about call folks like you "wannabee", rofl. An excellent behaviorist prevents unwanted behavior from ever developing. Did you ask some behaviorist questions???? If so, I didn't see them.

 

[yuckaduck]

If I am an "Old Dog" I'm proud to be one.....and yes, I've been involved for over 50 years, but do not label myself a behaviorist ..... I know practically nothing about other breeds besides goldens, and will only post from my own personal experiences without making a blanket statement. BTW...I'm now hoping not to be mean....your dogs did have something to stand and lay on other than cage gratings I hope for 3 days !! I'm glad God did look after them and that you recovered. Do you have any signals with your neighbors etc if you are in trouble ?? I check in on my elder neighbors... we close our curtains at night...open in the morning...if gone overnight leave 1/2 open ..

You are not the one being referred to as Old Dog. The persons actual screen name is Old Dog that is being referred too.

 

[Manchesters]

Insulting......

Goodness, are you actually claiming that being around dogs for thirty years somehow "makes" you a canine behaviourist? How ridiculous! Then nearly everyone I know must be!
Manchesters, you don't even know the basic principles of training! But, I may be wrong, if you like you can give me your theories on how to treat such things as extinction bursts, and what kinds of reinforcement schedules you use.
Also, I'm sure you've stated that you got a CD once on a doberman. Where I come from, anything less than at least three UD titles wouldn't even be PERMITTED to be classified as a behaviourist!
Experience with dogs, even successful training of dogs does NOT qualify you as a behaviourist, it's downright insulting to those of us who have studied, learned, been tested and passed numerous tests set out by animal behavioursts with university experience!

As I stated before, anyone who claims to be a canine behaviorist just because of having read some books and passed some generalized test around here is referred to as a joke. Sorry......that is just the way it is. I don't call myself anything. I stated I am a canine behavior expert. Behaviorist, if you prefer. Your statement that there is no dog so agressive that it cannot be "fixed" shows a total ignorance of canine psychology, breed specific behavior and just plain naivite (sp). But, hey....ya got your little piece of paper, right. IT says you are a behaviorist. My work with dogs over the years proves what I claim.

Of course the trick is to prevent unwanted behavior in the first place, but ya can't always have the ideal. Gee, you should visit the states, and "cure" all the vicious dogs around here that are eating people up on a daily basis. Then they wouldn't have to be destroyed!!!

I am going back to sleep.......this is a waste of my life, rofl. Oh.....by the way, just WHAT was your suggestion to the O.P.???? Anything useful?

 

[Fran27]

Manchesters, any way you could stop being so arrogant and insulting to other people?

 

[moe]

Think Manchester has concentrated so much on animal behaviour pmsl, she completely missed out on learning human behaviour and what is and is not acceptable, hmmm good job dogs dont assess humans, Manchester would have been put to sleep by now for her unsociable and vicious behaviour roflmao

Mo

 

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And moving back to CHOW's...I think this thread needs to be suspended until Becca has a chance to do something with the chow in question and get back to us with the results.

I think we need to implement a rule that says if a thread contains more than a page of warring between members on off-topic, then it should be Mandatory for those people to move to PM's or IM's.

 

[yuckaduck]

More than one here needs to be put to sleep for unsocial behaviour. Those of you who only wish to be rude or insult and name call-go to your kennels. The rest constructive opinions. Personally if someone told me to put my dog down I would be upset but on the other hand it is one option and there is no need for everyone to fly of the handle. If the OP reads this and runs to the vet and puts their dog down then they really must have felt that was right. We can all give our opinions but it is for the OP to decide and if he wants to go to the vet and have the dog tested, that is his choice. If he wants to try and find a trainer that is his choice. We are here to advise and give help but the rest is up to the OP to decide who to follow and who not to follow. Now I know nothing about Chow Chows so I have no official opinion here but I think Manchesters option is valid but so are the other ideas so just let it go. Some how I doubt name calling and insulting and being rude really helps at all.

 

[yuckaduck]

And moving back to CHOW's...I think this thread needs to be suspended until Becca has a chance to do something with the chow in question and get back to us with the results.

I think we need to implement a rule that says if a thread contains more than a page of warring between members on off-topic, then it should be Mandatory for those people to move to PM's or IM's.

It is not becca who needs to do something with the chow it is nemyss that is the OP. See how far this has gone we don't even know who we are advising anymore.

 

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Whoops...I think I put becca because she was the last avatar I saw and she has a chow...did I mention that it's early here, I just woke up and have yet to have my coffee?

 

[becca_4321]

No it isnt my dogs with the problem.
Nemyss, I really hope you will have the vet look at your dog. I feel bad that you never had the chance to really explain what is going on. Not enough information, and not enough questions asked. I can give you an email to someone who has been working with chows most of his life, takes in rescue chows and knows them like the back of his hand. Good luck to you and your dog, I hope this issue can be taken care of without going to any extremes. And I apologize for allowing myself to get caut up in all of this. I did lower myself and use a name.
Manchester, I am sorry....I should have kept that thought to myself.

 

[yuckaduck]

Whoops...I think I put becca because she was the last avatar I saw and she has a chow...did I mention that it's early here, I just woke up and have yet to have my coffee?

It is not early here but I am in desperate need of my morning coffe; the brain is not waking up with out it. lol
I know what ya mean!

 

[moe]

I too apologise if I offended anyone, I just got so heated up thinking that someone would just go straight in with one option of having a dog pTS based on the limited amount of information given by the original poster.

Mo

 

[yuckaduck]

It is not early here but I am in desperate need of my morning coffe; the brain is not waking up with out it. lol
I know what ya mean!

Finally getting that much needed cup of coffe, brain is starting to work now.

 

[Manchesters]

If Anyone Is Going To Apologize

No it isnt my dogs with the problem.
Nemyss, I really hope you will have the vet look at your dog. I feel bad that you never had the chance to really explain what is going on. Not enough information, and not enough questions asked. I can give you an email to someone who has been working with chows most of his life, takes in rescue chows and knows them like the back of his hand. Good luck to you and your dog, I hope this issue can be taken care of without going to any extremes. And I apologize for allowing myself to get caut up in all of this. I did lower myself and use a name.
Manchester, I am sorry....I should have kept that thought to myself.

I should do a great deal myself. It was a low, crappy thing I said about your husband and his dog. It was purely a ticked off reaction to your suggestion that I mistread my dogs. In truth, they really are spoiled rotten. I ask nothing of them, except that they go outside to pee.

I definitely don't know all the answers, and if I don't know, I won't open my mouth. It would be really nice for a change if those who really have no understanding of some situations to ask why I say something that seems stupid. I have seen no alternate suggestions yet from anyone other than vet and muzzle. Both show a total lack of familiarity with this breed.

My suggestion was directly from Sarah with whom I was speaking on the phone at that very minute. And from my experience around Chows, I had to agree with her. In the hands of the original poster, this dog is dangerous.....maybe even deadly.

I lost my patience, and let it loose in your direction. I am sorry.

Believe it or not, I am on the phone with Sarah again, lol. She is reminding me of Groucho, her vicious Chow that she finished that would kill anyone else. Groucho was allowed to live out his life, but was never bred. He was the only one she ever had like that.

She said he was growling when he came out of the sack. First full attack was at 3 months old! She dealt with that immediately, rofl.

Again I do apologize.

 

[Manchesters]

Goodness, are you actually claiming that being around dogs for thirty years somehow "makes" you a canine behaviourist? How ridiculous! Then nearly everyone I know must be!
Manchesters, you don't even know the basic principles of training! But, I may be wrong, if you like you can give me your theories on how to treat such things as extinction bursts, and what kinds of reinforcement schedules you use.
Also, I'm sure you've stated that you got a CD once on a doberman. Where I come from, anything less than at least three UD titles wouldn't even be PERMITTED to be classified as a behaviourist!
Experience with dogs, even successful training of dogs does NOT qualify you as a behaviourist, it's downright insulting to those of us who have studied, learned, been tested and passed numerous tests set out by animal behavioursts with university experience!

I have passed numerous tests set out by hundreds of dogs over the years. That is what counts. Hands on beats book reading everyday of the week.