Attack Dog training and protection

[shabess1200]

As a trainer of law enforcement dogs for many years I can tell you right now don't even consider the idea of 'self training'. Firstly you will end up with an unpredictable dog that will without a doubt end up biting someone. At the same time not all dogs are capable of being trained to that level, plus the training time involved can last two years and more. Most importantly, and this is something most people don't realize. If the dog is 'self taught', that is the owner attempts to train the dog themselves, even if the dog is on it's own property and bites an intruder, that intruder can sue, AND HE WILL WIN. Why? because the dog isn't trained by a professional. Something to consider.

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

animalbiz and rottiegirl, I sincerely hope you never have a dog involved in a bite incident on your property, but if you do, you are going to be sadly mistaken if you have a sign up anywhere on your property advertising that you have a dog there who will bite.

In the US, if someone comes on your property and is attacked and/or injured by your dogs, you can be held liable even if they climbed over your fencing with locked gates.

Owning a breed that will defend it's turf and might bite when doing so is an immense responsibility, both morally and financially.

Posting signs that say a dog might bite is NOT WISE. It can make you MORE liable in the event of a bite incident.

If it's a place of business running security dogs, that's one thing, but for a person at their home, BEWARE OF DOG is not a good idea, and ATTACK DOG is a law suit waiting to happen.

I've consulted SEVERAL attorneys about this over the years, but hey, if you want to put up your signs, have at it.

 

[oriondw]

animalbiz and rottiegirl, I sincerely hope you never have a dog involved in a bite incident on your property, but if you do, you are going to be sadly mistaken if you have a sign up anywhere on your property advertising that you have a dog there who will bite.

In the US, if someone comes on your property and is attacked and/or injured by your dogs, you can be held liable even if they climbed over your fencing with locked gates.

Owning a breed that will defend it's turf and might bite when doing so is an immense responsibility, both morally and financially.

Posting signs that say a dog might bite is NOT WISE. It can make you MORE liable in the event of a bite incident.

If it's a place of business running security dogs, that's one thing, but for a person at their home, BEWARE OF DOG is not a good idea, and ATTACK DOG is a law suit waiting to happen.

I've consulted SEVERAL attorneys about this over the years, but hey, if you want to put up your signs, have at it.

Its a good thing that my house is registered as an address of my business then

I dont see how "beware of dog" says you dog will bite. It just say, be aware that there is a dog on premises. Says nothing about the kind of dog...

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

Why don't you ask an attorney about that, as I have, Orionw.

Posting a sign to warn people to beware of a dog on your premisis WILL be taken as an admission that you had prior knowledge that your dog is dangerous in a court of law.

 

[oriondw]

Why don't you ask an attorney about that, as I have, Orionw.

Posting a sign to warn people to beware of a dog on your premisis WILL be taken as an admission that you had prior knowledge that your dog is dangerous in a court of law.

Castle Doctrine saves me again

If a person breaks forcibly into my house I have full rights to either kill him myself or let my dog kill him. Choices

I wish it would be enacted in all states. But in Florida, they actually care about the people.

 

[Doberluv]

You people who don't agree with Red better check with your own laws where you live. I think you'll find that what Red says is correct. I've done a little research myself and that's the concensus....if you acknowledge that your have a dangerous dog, a dog who may bite, you will be liable if he bites someone who comes on your property. If they break into your house, that may be a different story. Having a sign which does not state "beware of dog" or "attack dog"....but one that says something like "I can make it to the fence in 3 seconds, can you?" ......is not admitting that you think your dog is dangerous. It's stating an unrelated fact. From what I understand, this is a better way to go. I have a sign which says, "I don't dial 911" It has a picture of a Doberman on it. I think that's OK, but not positive. I got it for fun. I live in a crime free area...out in the wilderness basically. So, I'm not worried about crime. And what's more, my dog, is not aggressive just because someone comes on the property....not at all. He just watches them intently. If they broke into the house in the middle of the night or if I was gone, he may act differently. He did show some warning, growling/barking in a couple of weird situations when someone came in who didn't belong there at that time.

Anyhow, no point in arguing about a fact. Arguing is for opinions. Facts you can find out one way or the other. Check your laws.

 

[Serena]

I dont see how "beware of dog" says you dog will bite. It just say, be aware that there is a dog on premises. Says nothing about the kind of dog...

No it does not say "be aware" that there is a dog on the premises. There is a huge difference between saying "beware" and "be aware".

When you tell someone to "beware" of something you are warning them and telling them to be wary.

When you tell someone to "be aware" you are telling them to take notice or pay attention.

"Beware of Dogs" implies there are dangerous dogs on the premises that might bite and to proceed with caution. The word "beware" is a warning.

"Be aware of Dogs" implies that one should take note that dogs are on the premises. You are not told if the dogs are friendly or aggressive nor is the implication given. The only information you are given in this case is there are dogs living on the premises.

 

[JennSLK]

Were I live (Alberta) if you have a beware of dog, gaurd dog, or anything like that you are stating you know your dog can bite.

HOWEVER if you have a "Warning Dog" sign, you are just stating you have a dog.

 

[rottiegirl]

animalbiz and rottiegirl, I sincerely hope you never have a dog involved in a bite incident on your property, but if you do, you are going to be sadly mistaken if you have a sign up anywhere on your property advertising that you have a dog there who will bite.

In the US, if someone comes on your property and is attacked and/or injured by your dogs, you can be held liable even if they climbed over your fencing with locked gates.

Owning a breed that will defend it's turf and might bite when doing so is an immense responsibility, both morally and financially.

Posting signs that say a dog might bite is NOT WISE. It can make you MORE liable in the event of a bite incident.

If it's a place of business running security dogs, that's one thing, but for a person at their home, BEWARE OF DOG is not a good idea, and ATTACK DOG is a law suit waiting to happen.

I've consulted SEVERAL attorneys about this over the years, but hey, if you want to put up your signs, have at it.

Take a look at this link... http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/faq.html#beware

A beware of dog sign usually is a great idea because it warns people that, if they enter the part of the premises with the sign, then they are doing so at their own risk. That might prevent them from being able to collect money from you.

If your dog bites someone, however, they can argue that you knew your dog was dangerous, because you put up the sign. But that tactic is not likely to work if there is no other evidence that your dog is dangerous. It has to be dangerous in order for you to know it is dangerous!

In some places, the owners of certain kinds of dogs are required to use these signs. If you own a big, powerful dog, ask the animal control department or the police.

If your dog has been judged to be dangerous, there might be a law that requires you to use these signs. You should read the judgment or court order.

 

[joce]

We have been told not to even ahve the cutesy my dobe makes it to the fence in three seconds signs. If a perosn comes inot my house I have every right to kill him as I see fit or ahve my dog eat him,but if he only comes into my yard there is not a thing I can do. I think my property should count as my house and honestly if someone thretaned me on my property I would do waht I needed to and worry about it later. But we still do not put up the signs. Instead I have the I love my dobe ones up and the I lvoe my dobe bumper sticker is more than visable. Someone woudl be pretty stupid if they couldn't figure it out.

rottiegirl,those are required if your dog is deemed a dangerous dog and not only do you need signs but extra insurance and licenses. The sign is admitting you have a dangerous dog and if it bites someone they sue you over your obvious lack of control since you knew it was dangerous. its not right but its how it is.

 

[fastpitchchic]

It's interesting how people are saying that they have the right to kill some one or have their dogs do that if they enter the premises uninvited. I think we all feel that way, and I for one wish that this was true.
The fact is that if you injure some one on your property you can be held accountable for this. Reguardless of what that person was doing. I'm speaking from experience. I met an intruder in my home with a shotgun and held him there until the police could arrive. I was quickly told by the police and my lawyer that had I shot the person I could've been sued by him and his family even though I would have been justified in the laws eyes for defending myself. The fact that him sueing me might not have held up in court, it still would have costed me a pretty penny to defend myself. The law works in funny ways, and even though we have the right to defend ourselves, there is a thing called the use of force. Hence you can't shoot some one if they are trying to hit you with bare fists...your use of force can only escalate as the situation escalates.

 

[oriondw]

It's interesting how people are saying that they have the right to kill some one or have their dogs do that if they enter the premises uninvited. I think we all feel that way, and I for one wish that this was true.
The fact is that if you injure some one on your property you can be held accountable for this. Reguardless of what that person was doing. I'm speaking from experience. I met an intruder in my home with a shotgun and held him there until the police could arrive. I was quickly told by the police and my lawyer that had I shot the person I could've been sued by him and his family even though I would have been justified in the laws eyes for defending myself. The fact that him sueing me might not have held up in court, it still would have costed me a pretty penny to defend myself. The law works in funny ways, and even though we have the right to defend ourselves, there is a thing called the use of force. Hence you can't shoot some one if they are trying to hit you with bare fists...your use of force can only escalate as the situation escalates.

Im glad I live in florida. Someone breaks in, Ill shoot them and wont even blink

 

[Rubylove]

I'm glad I live in Florida. Anyone breaks in, I'll shoot them and won't even blink

Wow. I am just amazed at the attitude that it's okay to actually SHOOT someone if they break into your house! That's a little extreme, isn't it? I mean, I usually think the punishment should fit the crime. Breaking and entering doesn't warrant being shot and/or killed, IMO.

If they attack you, or a member of your family or your dog, there's a little difference. But just for breaking in? Sheesh. All I can say is I'm glad I live in Australia, where there's a little more respect for human life.

And even if I were ever in a situation where I would physically harm someone that badly, you can be sure I'd blink about it. I think it would affect me the rest of my life, no matter what the provocation. I just can't think of harming someone so badly in such a flippant way.

 

[rottiegirl]

Im glad I live in florida. Someone breaks in, Ill shoot them and wont even blink

I have to get myself moved to florida!

I dont agree with killing someone for just breaking in, but I would definately shoot them if I thought my life was in danger.

 

[oriondw]

Wow. I am just amazed at the attitude that it's okay to actually SHOOT someone if they break into your house! That's a little extreme, isn't it? I mean, I usually think the punishment should fit the crime. Breaking and entering doesn't warrant being shot and/or killed, IMO.

You can think of it like this:

Few things can happen to them and few things can happen to the world if you shoot or not shoot them.

If you shoot:

1. They wont be able to rob anyone else or worse hurt em.
2. Over population problem in the world
3. You save your state the money, its cheaper to bury them then to hold them in a cell.

If you dont shoot:
1. All kinds of expanses to state
2. He can get back out and rob someone else...
3. He'll be able to breed and we all know what happends to kids with such winner parents.

Shoot to kill, its easier then you think.

 

[Rubylove]

Well, not for me. Even if someone's a bad person, they usually have friends/family/children who love them. Think of all the other lives you're ruining, not just the perpetrator.

Mostly, though, I'm pretty sure you're just pulling my chain - you nasty person you!!

 

[oriondw]

Well, not for me. Even if someone's a bad person, they usually have friends/family/children who love them. Think of all the other lives you're ruining, not just the perpetrator.

Mostly, though, I'm pretty sure you're just pulling my chain - you nasty person you!!

 

[Saje]

lol

 

[bubbatd]

Interesting..... I do like the " Be Aware of Dog " idea... I always worry when the electric or phone company have to open my gate to check the lines... not of Chip, but if they don't lock it behind them. When we had our clothing business, one winter we were broken into 3 times for thefts of leather coats. Yes, we had security but they were in and out in 2 minutes. Our insurance was going sky high and we were afraid we'd be dropped. Tom and I rigged up trip wires etc every night until we were told that if anyone got hurt , we'd be sued. Believe me, to be called by the security system at 1 in the morning of a breakin was no fun.... by the time we'd get there ( 20 mins ) meet with police, do inventory , call glass company, clean up the glass etc it was usually 5 a.m. What a pain !!! It was mostly through a side door and side window display and I came up with an area we could put a folding security gate........... $1200 ....I wish we could have put up barbed wire that would tear off their privates !

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

My gates are NEVER unlocked.

EVER.

Our meters, etc, are situated so as to be outside the fence.

I would have a COW if ANYONE came inside my back fence whether dogs were out there or not.