Attack Dog training and protection
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Not extreme at all and its perfectly legal here to shoot any univited person in my house. We had a problem a couple years back with a stalker and the sheriff came out and told us were we could and could not shoot him(or anyone else). we are actually kind of in the smae situation again but the cops seem to be somewhat handling it this time
Hiya Rubylove
I'm in Melbourne, and it was funny I was commenting on this in another thread. I think it sucks though that we are held liable when trying to protect our home, families and property. Australian laws leave alot to be desired in my opinion. I do know though that over here those signs such as "Attack dog" or even beware of the dog have gotten people into st rive. They reckon here the safest one to put is "Dog on premises". That means you aren't stating you have an aggressive dog, but just letting people know that you do have a dog there. It's a tricky situation isn't it.
And to the OP I hope your pup is ok and that if possible you can move away from this horrible neighbourhood
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i hope no one ever forgets their keys and has to climb in the back window hope you look before you pull the trigger
hope you look before you pull the trigger
Ruby I know what you mean, but what about all of the people who waited a minute or two to politely ask the intruder what they were doing in their house, and were killed?
When I live alone, if it's someone I know who can't get in, they'll ring the doorbell and have me open up for them. If somebody climbs in a window without even giving a holler to let me know they are there, I will defend myself. It doesn't make sense to stop and wait for the theif/murderer/rapist to introduce themselves just because it's polite.
It should be someone's right to defend themselves or their house if they feel the need to. And I would feel the need to if I saw someone I'd never met before trying to get into my house without my permission.
When I live alone, if it's someone I know who can't get in, they'll ring the doorbell and have me open up for them. If somebody climbs in a window without even giving a holler to let me know they are there, I will defend myself. It doesn't make sense to stop and wait for the theif/murderer/rapist to introduce themselves just because it's polite.
It should be someone's right to defend themselves or their house if they feel the need to. And I would feel the need to if I saw someone I'd never met before trying to get into my house without my permission.
Sorry but when someoen threatens to kill my family and has the means to do it I'm not going to sit home praying they decide not to do it
the sheriff is a twenty minute dive from my house and let me tell you how much they are concerned. they seem to prefer the jsut kill them then call us method. There are not enough of them to sit out at houses all night making sure all is well. there are not even enough to drive by all the places they need to. Hell,I hope it would never ocme down to it but if someoen came into my home to do my family harm I wouldn't hesitate to hurt them. And I'm not talking about people breaking in at night,this is broad daylight walk in the front door stuff. I don;t see these idiots being sneaky about anything.
this isn't soemthing to debate. get a stalker or someone who has already been to prison for killing someone threaening you and then tell me what to do
the sheriff is a twenty minute dive from my house and let me tell you how much they are concerned. they seem to prefer the jsut kill them then call us method. There are not enough of them to sit out at houses all night making sure all is well. there are not even enough to drive by all the places they need to. Hell,I hope it would never ocme down to it but if someoen came into my home to do my family harm I wouldn't hesitate to hurt them. And I'm not talking about people breaking in at night,this is broad daylight walk in the front door stuff. I don;t see these idiots being sneaky about anything.
this isn't soemthing to debate. get a stalker or someone who has already been to prison for killing someone threaening you and then tell me what to do
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I'm not arguing this in the case where you are threatened physically. If I had a gun I'm sure I would point it but I would hesitate to shoot. It's the lack of hesitation that has me concerned!
For example. Max and I know there is someone sleeping in our shed. We used to find the door open in the mornings sometimes, and it's now locked. The other day we noticed a couple of slats were gone from the window. There's someone coming over our fence at night and sleeping in there.
We have done nothing. We will continue to do nothing. In the eight months whoever it is has been doing this, they have not touched a thing. Nothing is missing, stolen, broken anything. (The dogs do not sleep outside, btw). We figure, if someone homeless is desperate enough to sleep in our shed without touching anything, let them sleep there. It's the least we can do for the poor underprivileged soul.
There's a difference between that and someone breaking into your house to harm you or steal from you, but would you shoot that person? A desperate, helpless person who has done nothing but look for some shelter out of the cold at night?
For example. Max and I know there is someone sleeping in our shed. We used to find the door open in the mornings sometimes, and it's now locked. The other day we noticed a couple of slats were gone from the window. There's someone coming over our fence at night and sleeping in there.
We have done nothing. We will continue to do nothing. In the eight months whoever it is has been doing this, they have not touched a thing. Nothing is missing, stolen, broken anything. (The dogs do not sleep outside, btw). We figure, if someone homeless is desperate enough to sleep in our shed without touching anything, let them sleep there. It's the least we can do for the poor underprivileged soul.
There's a difference between that and someone breaking into your house to harm you or steal from you, but would you shoot that person? A desperate, helpless person who has done nothing but look for some shelter out of the cold at night?
Why would I? they did nothing to me and unless they are in my house it wouldn't be legal anyway. Although I would ahve it looked inot. A lot of homeless people suffer from some horrible menatl illnesses and you never know when its going to go. We had a guy living with his friends escape off the floor and shoot up a gas station.
R
You cannot take out a hand gun and point it at someone if you are not going to use it, and I mean immediately.
ESPECIALLY as a woman. Someone will take the weapon from you and use it on you if you hesitate.
I would strongly urge any woman who carries or is contemplating carrying to read a book called "Armed And Female" by Paxton Quigley.
"showing" a firearm to someone in a defense type situation when you don't plan on using it is a good way to get YOURSELF killed.
ESPECIALLY as a woman. Someone will take the weapon from you and use it on you if you hesitate.
I would strongly urge any woman who carries or is contemplating carrying to read a book called "Armed And Female" by Paxton Quigley.
"showing" a firearm to someone in a defense type situation when you don't plan on using it is a good way to get YOURSELF killed.
F
I agree with Red, if you are not ready to shoot some one and would be Tesitant to do that, you shouldn't attempt to use a firearm as a weapon, male or female.the only reason the guy in my house didn't get shot was because he just about messed himself when he had a shotgun pointed at his head...have never seen any one crumple into a ball so fast in my life. Had he pursued me I would've shot.
R
The thing is, FPC, you never know if there is someone else with them. If someone rushes you, they can get you before you can pull the trigger.
If I feel a need to put my hand on my weapon, I'm going to fire it.
The only time I've ever "shown" my weapon was on the highway. I was driving to some dog event, and a van full of men and bravado thought it was cute to harrass me on the highway, cut me off, tailgate, etc.
Unable to "shake" them, the next time they passed, I calmly and carefull put my .357 up on the dashboard where they could see it.
They didn't bother me any more after that.
If I feel a need to put my hand on my weapon, I'm going to fire it.
The only time I've ever "shown" my weapon was on the highway. I was driving to some dog event, and a van full of men and bravado thought it was cute to harrass me on the highway, cut me off, tailgate, etc.
Unable to "shake" them, the next time they passed, I calmly and carefull put my .357 up on the dashboard where they could see it.
They didn't bother me any more after that.
LOL! I guess that shows my limited experience with guns in a social/community setting. Like I've said before, this kind of thing just doesn't happen where I live in Perth. Seriously, the thought of carrying a gun would just make people who live here laugh and say, `WHAT?? Are you SERIOUS??' and feel strange and creeped out.
I should have thought that through, though. I used to be in the Army, and have lots of experience with all types of weapons, firearms and otherwise. I would feel confident holding someone at bay with a gun. I didn't mean my post as in `showing' someone a weapon, I meant holding, pointing and holding someone at bay with it.
BUT...anyone who is bold enough to break into your house is going to be bold enough to get your gun off you if you point, I guess, and combined with the fear and adrenaline in the situation, I can see how it would be easy to do that.
I should have thought that through, though. I used to be in the Army, and have lots of experience with all types of weapons, firearms and otherwise. I would feel confident holding someone at bay with a gun. I didn't mean my post as in `showing' someone a weapon, I meant holding, pointing and holding someone at bay with it.
BUT...anyone who is bold enough to break into your house is going to be bold enough to get your gun off you if you point, I guess, and combined with the fear and adrenaline in the situation, I can see how it would be easy to do that.
My dog is not going to be liable in anything, because I personally trained him. I am qualified and have worked with the police. I trained my last dog as an attack dog, but again, done correctly, by a professional, I can stop him at any time. Little kids would pounce on him on a reg. basis, with no aggression.
The police person above, I don't know if you are an actual trainer or handler (to the people that don't know, a lot of K-9's are trained before hand and then are put with their police person "handler." But he/she makes sense...
Again, I just didn't do this on my own, I am a professional and no, if someone entered my home to do me harm, you are dang straight that I would have my dog attack until I pulled my weapon.
I don't leave my dog unattended and I am in full control, plus my dog has actual training, real training and is not out to bite people to bite. I have commmands in place.
Oh, and by the way, I am female and I would shoot to kill.....
These are certain measures that one must take in order to train an "attack dog" properly. If done wrong, then yes, the owner can get in trouble. But not me.... because, again, if someone breaks into my home to cause harm....well that's too bad. I could also have a huge lists of animal expert witnesses to have my back, plus police.
The police person above, I don't know if you are an actual trainer or handler (to the people that don't know, a lot of K-9's are trained before hand and then are put with their police person "handler." But he/she makes sense...
Again, I just didn't do this on my own, I am a professional and no, if someone entered my home to do me harm, you are dang straight that I would have my dog attack until I pulled my weapon.
I don't leave my dog unattended and I am in full control, plus my dog has actual training, real training and is not out to bite people to bite. I have commmands in place.
Oh, and by the way, I am female and I would shoot to kill.....
These are certain measures that one must take in order to train an "attack dog" properly. If done wrong, then yes, the owner can get in trouble. But not me.... because, again, if someone breaks into my home to cause harm....well that's too bad. I could also have a huge lists of animal expert witnesses to have my back, plus police.
D
I agree with you that you should not have an "attack dog" or "guard dog" sign because if your dog bites someone they would hold you liable because you knew your dog was agressive. But I do however have a Doberman sign on my house. By doing that I am telling intruders that I do have a Doberman but am not branding my dog and attack dog. If they choose to come in my house knowing I have a Doberman thats their problem, but they will be in for a rude awakening.
D
I value MY life. If someone is in my house I am going to assume that they are going to bring harm to me and I refuse to let that happen. They will go down before I do and I will fight to the end. I believe that if someone comes in my house I SHOULD have the right to shoot them but unfortunately I don't. Do the police honestly believe in a scary situation people will remember all that crap instead of fully stopping the intruder? If I felt threatened I know I would be more concerned about saving my life than worrying about what the rediculous law says I can and cannot do. I will shoot anyone who comes in my house.
Also I agree with RED when she says that if you pull a gun shoot it right away. No hesitation. I cannot believe how many people wouls feel guilty for shooting someone who threatened your life. Is your life not valuable to you? I have no time to determine whether the person is their to harm me or just rob me but I will assume the worst and there is no time in a situation like that.
Growing up I had alot of people come into my house to rob us and its very scary. They may not have intentions of hurting you but if you see their face or you **** them off they will hurt you.
If someone dare try to hold me liable for hurting the person who came into my house, I will fight to the end. The law is really screwed up and just plain stupid.