They're humans.
You dehumanise them to make your hatred more rational, but they are human beings.
There are women, and children, and good men living there.
There are good morals as well as bad ones.
They're not so different to us. People in the west have tortured, killed, maimed in the name of their religion. Still do.
I think that you have a very bitter view of humanity. You want to change the world? Want to make it a safe place for your daughter? Try making friends and not enemies.
Don't try to analyze me Dizzy. You obviously have no idea where I am coming from on this issue.
Yes, they are humans and as such, have the same basic rights all humans do. Also, I do not hate them. Actually, I want what they want... For them to have their part of the world all to themselves. Really.
Yes, I have a bitter view of some parts of humanity. Wanna know why? I have been up close and personal with these people. I was there when we were TRYING to help them, feed them and all that. And they still tried to kill us... Why? Because we were infidels on their piece of dirt. I lost good friends trying to help those people, so please spare me your book knowledge lecture. Go there, talk to them... Not the safe places but the places where the true belivers are. Try and "educate" them... Try to make friends with them. Just like you have been saying in this thread, OUR ideas of right and wrong do not apply to them. But I do know what has happened when we try to play nice with them, over and over again....
Burn me once, shame on you. Burn me twice, shame on me.
And puck, I am sure you will reply with some "well thought out" reply about how I am wrong and you are right - but you won't sway me. I have no doubt I won't sway you.
What are you trying to say by putting well thought out in quotes? Also, I am not trying to say you are wrong and I am right. I just hope to get you to see where I am coming from on this and it is NOT from hate. You, like most people who think the way you do, have great intentions and only want to help. The difficulty is turing those good intentions into positive results. I pray that you find a way to achieve your goal, because I don't want to fight them anymore.
The world needs people like you Dizzy... But it also needs people like me.
I hope the bitter kind of thinking dies out - when they've all barrackaded themselves in, or fought each other to the death....
First you insult my intellect and now you wish death upon me... I am sure thats not what you meant, but that is how I see it.
In the meantime, I hope the people who are educating keep on educating. This isn't a political incident - it's a lesson. Everytime something happens we learn something about a culture we don't really understand. And the more we learn, the more we can communicate.
It is indeed a lesson. And I agree. Education is the key. Education and change the way Muslims treat women. Basically, until Islam moves out of the 8th century, this will never get better.
I am just glad the woman is safe - and I know she has had nothing bad to say about the people who arrested her.
Of course not... She is not that stupid.