do "pretty"/"good looking" get treated different?

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And I know I put this on the venting thread but my sister is in a wheelchair at the moment and omg the difference in the way you get treated in a wheelchair is amazing to me too.
My dad broke one of his front teeth, and while he was waiting to have it replaced people treated him SO DIFFERENTLY. It was shocking.
 

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Well... The problem with me is that, I can never bring up a conversation with a stranger, or with someone who I don't know well. I need to know that person well,& be comfortable with that person to even start a simple conversation. I'll talk to someone if they say hi, or ask me a question, I'll talk to them.But, even then, I can't start talking to them.

So, that might be a big reason why people don't pay attention to me in school. B
I just came to say this. :rofl1: I've seen pictures of at least half the people in this thread who are grading their appearances, and there are a few of you who are just dead wrong.
This. Grace, your gorgeous, I'm jealous. I've seen pictures of others here, your all gorgeous. Everyone here is.

I haven't ever posted a picture of myself here(& other online places),& probably won't.
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Not really. If anything I am more confident now (weighing more) than then.

People are generally really friendly to me and have been... I'm a pretty non threatening person who tends to be smiley and easy going. I get people talking to me a lot.

But there is a difference in the way I was treated and how many people would go out of their way to be nice to me or something like that.... It's hard to put into words. I would not have noticed it unless I had lost the weight because I generally thought people were friendly beforehand (and they generally were). I can only remember one time in my life where a stranger called me a name for no reason and it was in high school so I think it was probably a douche being a douche.

What you wear also makes a huge difference too. And makeup and all that. I do think it goes both ways as far as confidence affecting your interactions but I don't think the studies and WWYD are wrong in showing that what you look like does GREATLY affect the way you're treated. And that's not just pretty vs unpretty but a 1000 different factors that people judge based on.

And I know I put this on the venting thread but my sister is in a wheelchair at the moment and omg the difference in the way you get treated in a wheelchair is amazing to me too.

Interesting. I never noticed any difference no matter where my weight has been (I have been down 60 pounds followed by up 80) But I could also be not paying attention how strangers judge me.
 

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I'm pretty average looking but I have a cute dog and like to wear yoga pants alot which I think helps, people are usually pretty friendly to me lol I think a lot of it depends on natural type and there is some insecurity with not fitting the delicate kind of blonde white slender beauty standard but I've learned to kind of appreciate my self for what it is

That said, the me vs. PRETTY GIRLS WITH THE MAKEUP AND SKIRTS...is ridiculous.
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I think its well documented FACT that humans treat other humans differently dependent on looks. Note I'm not specifying gender here. Or what looks. Its goes ALL WAYS.

What's sad is people perpetuate it. But I know I'm guilty as much as the next person.... its very very hard not to make (often unconscious) judgement.
I think it's human nature to be judgemental, I know I am and I expect judgement in return, I know I get it, I don't care, I like myself.
 

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I'm overweight and uh..more of an obedience prospect than a conformation or agility prospect :p. I have no idea if people treat me differently, I really haven't noticed. I have people tell me to go in front of them sometimes, open doors for me, and so forth. At work I'm likely to get a customer asking if I need help if they see me trying to get a heavy item down (lol). Lots of people are friendly.

I do think presentation plays a part. It's not always pretty/ugly..it's confidence, bubbly attitude, maintained hair, clean/proper clothes. Her weight makes no difference to me at least. And there is a difference between...I was just doing yard work and had to go to the store to get something dirty, and just...dirty people.

I was reading something the other day about the weight thing, and yeah more overweight women are being put into movies and tv shows. The article said this is true, but the overweight woman is portrayed as mannish/a binge or junk food eater/lazy. This is just not the case.


I can't find it online right now, but there was once an experiment to see who would be helped on the side of the road faster - a pretty woman or an "average" woman.

A broken-down car was staged. When it was a pretty woman's car, people flocked to help her. The "average" woman didn't get helped at all.

Sad.
My old car used to have a slow oil leak. I remember I was at a gas station in the city, I was in plain scrubs, and had my hood open to put oil in. I had a million (guys) ask if I needed help. In normal clothes (jeans), that never really happened. Was it right time/right place though? Or was it maybe that I was more professional looking, and more approachable? Who knows, really.

My mom had a seizure while driving and crashed into a brick wall. No one stopped for a while. I know I've seen cars go off the road, or crash, and immediately people pull over and try to help (not knowing who is in the car). It might simply be the right people at the right time. Sometimes I stop for people who look like they need help, like a guy that blew his tire in front of a subdivision. He didn't have a cell phone on him and no spare, he was grateful I stopped and he borrowed my phone to get someone to help him.
 

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Am I the only one who actually feels more at ease with less attractive men? I swear I always feel so awkward around hot dudes. And same with women who always wear nicely... they intimidate me for some reason.

I guess I do treat people differently because of that, in a way.
 

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The sociologist in me really hates this **** because it's pretending there's no differences between men and women. OF COURSE THERE ARE DIFFERENCES and it's stupid to pretend there's not. The problem only comes when you try to force things into little boxes and tell people "you can't."
You can't wear pink because that's a girl's color.
You can't play with Hot Wheels because those are boy's toys.
You can't lift weights or you'll get bulky like a man (1: no, 2: WHAT IF I WANT TO BE BULKY LIKE A MAN?)
You can't eat frozen yogurt because only girls do that.
So on and so forth.

How about just letting people do what they want without worrying if it fits into your box of what men/women SHOULD do?

But it's ridiculous to act like there aren't differences between the sexes in biology and physiology that influence us.


Also that was clearly drawn by somebody who legit has no idea what it's like to actually be a woman with mainly male friends. Because it sucks. And it doesn't make you more desirable to anybody and then other women have yet another reason to hate you because OH YOU SAY YOU'RE FRIENDS WITH MOSTLY MEN?? YOU BITCH.
 

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Am I the only one who actually feels more at ease with less attractive men? I swear I always feel so awkward around hot dudes. And same with women who always wear nicely... they intimidate me for some reason.

I guess I do treat people differently because of that, in a way.
NOt me, my fiancee is a hottie, and always has girls flirting with him. He doesn't think he is hot but girls sure think he is lol ... I think it's because he has that "something extra", that certain a ex appeal that just is ... attractive.

On the flip side, men seem to just .... like me for some reason :p, sometimes I think I look like a geek because I have mousy colored hair and wear glasses. I see myself as looking like a librarian xD, but fiancee says that's what men find "hot" about me lol ... I don't know
 

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Also that was clearly drawn by somebody who legit has no idea what it's like to actually be a woman with mainly male friends. Because it sucks. And it doesn't make you more desirable to anybody and then other women have yet another reason to hate you because OH YOU SAY YOU'RE FRIENDS WITH MOSTLY MEN?? YOU BITCH.
The comic, which is very simplified, the mainly problematic thing is the OH GOD GIRLS AND ALL THEIR STUPID GIRL DRAMA, not the "I like hanging out with boys" it's the "I like hanging out with boys because ALL GIRLS ARE X, Y, Z"
It's not perfect by any means but that was the point I was trying to make.

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"How about just letting people do what they want without worrying if it fits into your box of what men/women SHOULD do?"
that's exactly what I was TRYING to convey. The gender roles are the problem (pink, tonka trucks, wildly emotional drama queens, strong emotionless manly men), not the physiological differences.
 

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I was reading something the other day about the weight thing, and yeah more overweight women are being put into movies and tv shows. The article said this is true, but the overweight woman is portrayed as mannish/a binge or junk food eater/lazy. This is just not the case.
This bothers me so much. The overweight person is usually the fat funny friend/sidekick in pretty much everything. It annoys me (along with a lot of other Hollywood stereotypes).

I think it's human nature to be judgemental, I know I am and I expect judgement in return, I know I get it, I don't care, I like myself.
Everyone judges and I'm guilty too... I think that's the point. A lot of it is subconscious so if people are more aware of their prejudices they can confront them and know when they're being unfair. Then they can become more empathetic towards others and less judgmental.
 

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The sociologist in me really hates this **** because it's pretending there's no differences between men and women. OF COURSE THERE ARE DIFFERENCES and it's stupid to pretend there's not. The problem only comes when you try to force things into little boxes and tell people "you can't."
You can't wear pink because that's a girl's color.
You can't play with Hot Wheels because those are boy's toys.
You can't lift weights or you'll get bulky like a man (1: no, 2: WHAT IF I WANT TO BE BULKY LIKE A MAN?)
You can't eat frozen yogurt because only girls do that.
So on and so forth.

How about just letting people do what they want without worrying if it fits into your box of what men/women SHOULD do?

But it's ridiculous to act like there aren't differences between the sexes in biology and physiology that influence us.


Also that was clearly drawn by somebody who legit has no idea what it's like to actually be a woman with mainly male friends. Because it sucks. And it doesn't make you more desirable to anybody and then other women have yet another reason to hate you because OH YOU SAY YOU'RE FRIENDS WITH MOSTLY MEN?? YOU BITCH.
So much this!
 

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What I've noticed is that the older people get, the less they are to judge.
Absolutely. Of course it isn't perfect, but as an overweight person (who was a pretty normal weight for a couple of years due to the after effects of surgery), I can tell you that junior high was hell, high school got a little better, and by college, half the people who were treating me like crap in high school were friendly. People still judge, and I don't think you can avoid that, but the overwhelming meanness goes down as you get older.

I'm not only overweight, I have issues socially and am not a big smiler. I have no idea if I'd be treated differently if I were different, because I'm not.

The craziest example I can think of in recent memory was when a fairly new worker at our company transferred to my department. She is younger than me (mid-20s vs mid-30s), and is a horrible worker. She commented to me early on how she doesn't work hard because the company treats us like crap, and I said "Yeah, they do. Really the motivation for us in this department is that when you slack off, the company doesn't get affected, but your coworkers do because they have to pick up the extra work. So we all kind of work hard for each other." and she said to me, and I am quoting this directly, "I figure at the end of the day, I'm 24, blonde and a girl. It doesn't matter how I work."

I had to leave the room. I still can't stand her. She's still a crap worker.

And when I passed that comment on to our manager, his reply was "Oh, honey, you aren't that hot." He is trying to get her moved to a different department.
 

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It would be foolish to say that people are not judged by their initial appearances. I think all of us at one time or another has seen a person and based solely on how they look formed an instant thought/opinion about them be it positive or negative. Sometimes we may have been right. And at others we got a quick reminder of that old saying about, "Not judging a book by it's cover." And we all have probably been on the receiving end of people basing their preconceived notions on us based solely upon our appearance.

Are attractive people treated differently? Absolutely. And you know what? It sucks. Are "less attractive" people treated differently? Absolutely. And it sucks. At the end of the day feeling like someone has gone out of their way to be intentionally kind or cruel to you based solely on your appearance can leave someone feeling pretty crappy.

I also wanted to address this. I will apologize in advance as I tried to figure out a way to word this in a constructive manner rather than a "catty b****" and I am failing at finding the words to do so. But:

Yes I know I have noticed that, luckily I work with a bunch of guys, and my fiancee. Even girls who I would deem prettier than me hate me, maybe because I am "real" and they are not (you know, as a man what I am talking about: tons of makeup, revealing clothes etc ...) I don't have to TRY to be good looking and they hate it ;)
I am going to be very honest here. I find it incredibly sad that you are judging these women based solely on how they look and to take it further you have the audacity to suggest they are not fond of you because you are "real" and they are not.

The reason those women "hate" you probably has nothing to do with the fact that you are "real" and more to do with the fact that you have a poor attitude.
 

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Absolutely. Of course it isn't perfect, but as an overweight person (who was a pretty normal weight for a couple of years due to the after effects of surgery), I can tell you that junior high was hell, high school got a little better, and by college, half the people who were treating me like crap in high school were friendly. People still judge, and I don't think you can avoid that, but the overwhelming meanness goes down as you get older.

I'm not only overweight, I have issues socially and am not a big smiler. I have no idea if I'd be treated differently if I were different, because I'm not.

The craziest example I can think of in recent memory was when a fairly new worker at our company transferred to my department. She is younger than me (mid-20s vs mid-30s), and is a horrible worker. She commented to me early on how she doesn't work hard because the company treats us like crap, and I said "Yeah, they do. Really the motivation for us in this department is that when you slack off, the company doesn't get affected, but your coworkers do because they have to pick up the extra work. So we all kind of work hard for each other." and she said to me, and I am quoting this directly, "I figure at the end of the day, I'm 24, blonde and a girl. It doesn't matter how I work."

I had to leave the room. I still can't stand her. She's still a crap worker.

And when I passed that comment on to our manager, his reply was "Oh, honey, you aren't that hot." He is trying to get her moved to a different department.
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Okay, so, uh, my turn.

Part One: Am I treated different because I am "good looking"?

I'm downright gorgeous, in my opinion. I dress down (sweats and baggy t-shirt). I dress up. I dress skimpy. I dress conservatively. My daily work shoes are 3 inch wedges. Or sneakers. I wear a full face of make up. I wear no make up. I wear concealer and mascara. I have bright red, high-maintenance hair. And I let it look faded and washed out when I don't care for the upkeep. But regardless of all of that, I'm still good looking. I am still beautiful.

And I am absolutely treated differently. No questioning it. My co-workers, my employers, the people who interview me, my peers, my customers, people who look at my college record. Because I'm pretty. Not because I am intelligent. Not because I'm clever. And certainly not because I'm educated. I'm pretty, so why bother, right? I'm pretty = I am a bimbo.

Part Two:



Hah. Haha. I love that. I get told that a lot. "Real girls". I absolutely, to the bone, seethingly, venomously hate the term "real girl". I'm pretty. And I'm pretty **** real, without having to hide behind a million hate-filled excuses to prove how much better I am at being pretty.

"Real girls" don't wear a full face of make up. I don't have to hide behind a shield of "I don't wear makeup" to show it off.
"Real girls" are curvy. I don't have to gain 50lbs to be real or pretty.
"Real girls" dress classy. I don't have to wear a full-length skirt or sleeves to be classy.
"Real girls" are modest and deny being pretty at all.

So I am definitely treated differently. Woman on woman hate. And that definitely doesn't change with looks!

You know what a REAL WOMAN is? Someone who is a goddamn woman. That's it. I don't care if it is Carmen Electra or Carmen Carrera.

/feminist rant.

Pretty Girl Rock, anyone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtXOVKNazYU
Yeah, Lyz is way hot. As are several Chazzers.

I don't feel like I"m treated differently. I'm overweight and I have acne, which makes people uncomfortable but I try to take care of myself. I think I get annoyed with people who have poor hygiene. And I'm a modest person so a lot of skin/jewelry makes me uncomfortable. But I don't treat someone like a bitch because she has 10 rings or a short skirt.

Honestly, working with drugs has made me reflect on how I treat people because a lot of those people you idolize or hate are equally ****ed up. Everyone's on depression meds. (Like that Lily Allen song Everyone's At It) Everyone has issues. She may be thin and prettier than me but I know she has problems. I don't mean in a "Haha, bitch you're bi polar." way but more of a.. let's not judge people by their appearance because it's fairly insignificant in the long run. I'm very lazy with my 'fashion'. I hope people don't think I'm fugly because I don't wear much makeup. I don't think someone's a ***** for putting eyeliner on.

I'm going to echo other's responses about it really being your attitude. If I greet customers with a smile, they are more likely to be happy. Some people will always be grumpy. Some people are having a bad day. But they're still people. And I know that someone saying I look nice or complimenting my dog or even the dumbest little comment can make or break my day.

Everyone is judgmental but that doesn't mean you should...embrace it. Recognize that you're being judgmental, judging too harshly and quickly, and reel it back. (I realize I'm not the nicest person, but I DO try :rofl1:)

I did read a couple of studies that actually broke down what we find attractive, on average. Symmetry is huge. Blonde hair. Curvy. Long hair. Does that mean a skinny, short-haired brunette is ugly? Not at all! But it is interesting to see what people will pick.

I'm happy that most of us aren't being super bitches about everything. Good job, Chaz. :)
 

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