Watching a train wreck in slo-mo
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Pkulak, numbers can be skewed to show whatever the compiler wants to show. Like what I posted in response to a YouTube member saying the dog in this video would be "a lot" more likely to kill the kid than the parents would be:
The thought that you can look at a dog and judge it more likely to attack is ludicrous. The unsocialized, untrained, poorly-bred dog is more likely to attack, and you can't always tell that just by looking. My dog was the only APBT competing in an agility trial down here, and there were no more problems with her than with the various other breeds there. In fact -- and this made me proud -- people came up to us afterward and thanked us for bringing her out, and that she should really be the poster child for the breed. But yet, if I was walking this dog down the street, and somebody else was walking a Labrador, you say my dog would be more likely to attack? Who are you, Miss Cleo?
The thought that you can look at a dog and judge it more likely to attack is ludicrous. The unsocialized, untrained, poorly-bred dog is more likely to attack, and you can't always tell that just by looking. My dog was the only APBT competing in an agility trial down here, and there were no more problems with her than with the various other breeds there. In fact -- and this made me proud -- people came up to us afterward and thanked us for bringing her out, and that she should really be the poster child for the breed. But yet, if I was walking this dog down the street, and somebody else was walking a Labrador, you say my dog would be more likely to attack? Who are you, Miss Cleo?
Those are some nice stats that you have there, but what does it have to do with Pit Bulls? You have "dogs", which is nice, I guess, but I'm interested in breaking that down just a little bit more then that.
I know that Pit Bull can refer to several breeds, but why does that matter as long as the categories don't overlap? For example, if I tried to compare Pit Bulls and Staffordshire Terriers, then that wouldn't work because one contains the other. However, a Pomeranian is NOT a Pit Bull.
I realize that environment may play a large part. I'm not really trying to show causation here, because I really don't know. I'm not, however, convinced that environment makes up for the massive disparity in attacks between pits and other breeds.
I realize that environment may play a large part. I'm not really trying to show causation here, because I really don't know. I'm not, however, convinced that environment makes up for the massive disparity in attacks between pits and other breeds.
Fine you guys don't like that study? Here's one by the CDC:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf
Keep in mind that I don't advocate trying to ban any dog breed. I think you can ban a species of animal, but it's really too difficult to ban animals that can interbreed. All I'm saying is that certain breeds are more aggressive then others.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf
Keep in mind that I don't advocate trying to ban any dog breed. I think you can ban a species of animal, but it's really too difficult to ban animals that can interbreed. All I'm saying is that certain breeds are more aggressive then others.
I know that Pit Bull can refer to several breeds, but why does that matter as long as the categories don't overlap? For example, if I tried to compare Pit Bulls and Staffordshire Terriers, then that wouldn't work because one contains the other. However, a Pomeranian is NOT a Pit Bull.
I realize that environment may play a large part. I'm not really trying to show causation here, because I really don't know. I'm not, however, convinced that environment makes up for the massive disparity in attacks between pits and other breeds.
I realize that environment may play a large part. I'm not really trying to show causation here, because I really don't know. I'm not, however, convinced that environment makes up for the massive disparity in attacks between pits and other breeds.
As I said before, someone needs to read up on this breeds history.
opcorn:
So you are convinced that a Pit Bull raised in a family environment is as likely to attack as one raised on a chain and never played with?
As I said before, someone needs to read up on this breeds history.
opcorn:
As I said before, someone needs to read up on this breeds history.
opcorn:
Here, I'm just going to write your response for you and then go do something else.
"PKulak, you are blowing this all out of proportion. If you look at the CDC study, you're only about 70% more likely to get killed by a Pit then a Rott, which may seem like a lot, but Pits are a much more popular type of dog. Figure in population size and it's very likely that Pit Bulls are not even the most aggressive, or at least only marginally more aggressive."
I know that Pit Bull can refer to several breeds, but why does that matter as long as the categories don't overlap? For example, if I tried to compare Pit Bulls and Staffordshire Terriers, then that wouldn't work because one contains the other. However, a Pomeranian is NOT a Pit Bull.
Explain this....Why do American Staffordshire Terriers and American Pit Bull Terriers consistently score higher on temperament tests than most other dog breeds? http://www.animalfarmfoundation.org/item.php?id=1&topic=1&item=336
Also tell me this.... Why can you go to a dog show with 50 intact male American Staffordshire Terriers or APBTs and yet no one is killed, attacked, bitten or rarely if even growled at? If they are so viscous by nature then this can't possibly happen...right?
The reason I am talking about environment is that it has little to do with the breed and everything to do with the Humans. If you wiped out every Pit Bull type dog in some kind of K9 holocaust; you would continue to see dog attacks and I argue would actually see an increase as these people started to buy dogs that are actually bred for human aggression which most pit bull types ( ie Amstaffs, APBT) have not been.
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How did this (OP) become another golden opportunity for a positive plug for Pit Bulls? She never mentions any specific breed, much less a Pit Bull or Staffie.
Casa, what did those nasty neighbors do to almost slaughter your dog? They sound pretty awful. What happened?
How did this (OP) become another golden opportunity for a positive plug for Pit Bulls? She never mentions any specific breed, much less a Pit Bull or Staffie.
Casa, what did those nasty neighbors do to almost slaughter your dog? They sound pretty awful. What happened?
I would like to add onto the breed Mis-ID part. For example, with the Presa Canario mix incident in San Fransisco several years ago, they reported it on my news as Bullmastiffs, and on other news stations as "pit bulls." I watched another news report on the local news involving a child mauled by two "pit bulls" which they illustrated by showing a picture of the dogs: two harlequin Great Danes. Very recently (might still be in the News section on this forum), a mixed breed (Catahoula and American Bulldog, I think) was identified as a "pit bull" and shot by police, though they were able to safely secure the other two "aggressive" dogs on the property.
That is why stats that track attacks/fatalities by breeds are basically worthless.
That is why stats that track attacks/fatalities by breeds are basically worthless.
Gotch ya! You know we will NEVER be able to educate EVERYONE on the way pitbulls can be thanks to the hyped media whenever there is a dog attack and I know you already know that. I mean there are ignorant people who own pits, and then, there are the others who are ignorant for disliking the breed because of what the ignorant owners turn them into.....got all that LOL! Its just a vicious cycle..........
See, (I deleted my post because I thought I was getting off topic too and thought better of it) but since you've already quoted me.....LOL.
Ok... just to set the record straight. I always heard that they were particularly people oriented and great family dogs, but that they tended toward dog aggression. I have met several and thought they were perfectly fine dogs. My son's dog who lives with me now, we suspect has Pit in her. She has very powerful and wide jowls, that wide bowed out (sort of) stance in the back...just has a look. But we also think we see some GSD in her snout and parts of her face. She could have other things in her as well. Who knows? Anyhow, she's very friendly and not dog aggressive.
But since they were selected for fighting, I think that has to have something to do with it, just as any breed was selected for various traits. I know that there isn't a gene specifically for aggression. But there is ""wiring for the things in the brain which cause aggression. I'm reading a couple of books right now on the very subject.
Anyhow, bottom line: Onwer responsibility. And these neighbors apparently didn't possess any of that.
Ok... just to set the record straight. I always heard that they were particularly people oriented and great family dogs, but that they tended toward dog aggression. I have met several and thought they were perfectly fine dogs. My son's dog who lives with me now, we suspect has Pit in her. She has very powerful and wide jowls, that wide bowed out (sort of) stance in the back...just has a look. But we also think we see some GSD in her snout and parts of her face. She could have other things in her as well. Who knows? Anyhow, she's very friendly and not dog aggressive.
But since they were selected for fighting, I think that has to have something to do with it, just as any breed was selected for various traits. I know that there isn't a gene specifically for aggression. But there is ""wiring for the things in the brain which cause aggression. I'm reading a couple of books right now on the very subject.
Anyhow, bottom line: Onwer responsibility. And these neighbors apparently didn't possess any of that.