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If there's a moderator out there, could they shut this thread down? For fairly obvious reasons I hate seeing this particular thread become a passionate rant about how wonderful pit bulls are. Perhaps people who wish to continue this could slip over to the cunningly titled "Speaking of train wrecks" gigglea about someone's messy living room and hijack that thread.

There is no reason to be rude. The OP of that thread was trying to lighten the mood.

I think some people just wont get it until their breed is "on the chopping block" as well. So for the sake of everyone's sanity I believe that this thread should be locked.

However, I would like to say CASA when you put the comment "because that's the way the breed is". Everyone, myself included knew which breed you were talking about, and I have no clue about any past history you have with your neighbors, and dont know anything about you. So I dont know why you didnt expect this to turn into a pit bull thread. It was an obvious "jab" at the breed. To be honest, I notice you continually doing this...

From what you posted, I realize that another dog attacked your dog, but the only dog-dog attacks I know of didnt involve a pit bull at all. They involved spoiled papered little dogs who ganged up on a dog and mauled it, and one involved a labrador. The attackee did not "make it" in any of the instances. I also know of a Shepherd mix attacking another dog, but no pit bulls.

So get over it, please. If you wanted to talk about how your neighbor got a dog she is going to ruin and you are scared for your dog, then say that, but there is no need to "jab" at the breed and not expect anyone to defend the breed that so many of us love.

I wish a moderator would lock this thread. It's pointless.


Edited because I saw bahas post in front of mine that Casa's dog was attacked by a non pit bull dog.
 

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I don't understand why all of that was posted in this thread, and yes, I do agree with RD on all aspects. What good does it do to you to drag other breeds down?

It gets old seeing thread after thread of a dog attack and being preached at again and again about how all dogs can attack. I KNOW pit bulls are good dogs, I like them. Preach where it's needed.

These threads usually end up in the bashing of several OTHER breeds- it seems to me labs, goldens, and poms (or nay other 'little ankle biter') get a lot of it. It always comes off as pit bulls are misunderstood and look at how vicious these OTHER breeds are. Target them.

Maybe that's not the way you think you are coming off, but that is the way you are coming off.

I don't like dog attack threads. I think it's pointless to debate. We don't know the full story or the people/dogs involved. I don't see the point in posting them.

I also don't see the point in replying to pit attack threads with 'Oh the pit must be misunderstood and wonderful' then turning around and on a labrador attack thread saying 'See, this proves that pit bulls are not the only dogs involved in dog attacks'. Seems to me that each incidence has nothing to do with each other. Without the facts of the attacks, we can't really say much. We don't know how the dog was treated, how it was bred, or if it was being tormented at the time of the attack.

In trying to prove your point, you are losing sight of the fact that what you want to preach is that your breed is a good breed. Instead you are preaching the same thing that is happening to your breed on other equally as good breeds. It comes off hypocritical to me.

I see people saying 'Wow, I wish the breed involved was a lab' Or insert whatever other breed in there. Why would you wish that on others? To me it sometimes seems as if you wouldn't care as long as it was the 'little ankle biters' or some other type of dog in the spotlight instead of your breed.

It's not all people with pits that do this. I know lots of people that have pits that post on these threads and yet manage not to shove things down other people's throats. I love seeing pictures of happy pits doing work or with families. Miakoda and Bahamutt both had nice threads recently about their pitties. I enjoyed those.

I'm just trying to say, if I like pit bulls and am against BSL and your tactics are bothering me, think of what they sound like to people against pit bulls.
 

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I know this thread will be gone soon, but I just wanted to mention, I think I've seen Casa post about the dog that attacked his/her Bearded Collie, and it wasn't a Pit Bull. Labrador? *Knocks on head.* Can't remember.

Well, that really makes this entire thing rather silly and pointless, doesn't it?
 

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I realize everyone's quite passionate about defending their breeds. But this thread has been posted many times over, in many different ways. I believe the intent was to complain about irresponsible owners and the lack of control or help from the city/county, the general public receives. A similar thread was started last month about a woman owning a Dobie that had bitten two different neighbors. She simply rehomed it and got another Doberman. The second Doberman also having developed aggressive behavior, got loose and killed a neighbors dog. Now the homeowners association is persueing a lawsuit against her. If it has teeth, it can bite. How much damage an animal can do is directly proportionate to size and lbs per pressure when delivering a bite. I think it says a lot for owners who repeatedly have incidences of aggression in their animals. Breeding, genetic issues, how they are raised, trained and the environment in which they live all contribute to the dogs temperament. (Wrether it's a Lab, St. Poodle, Pitt, JRT or Dobie.) Of course you will find fewer incidences of serious injury done to a human by a King Charles spaniel or Pug, than you will a Lab or a Dobie. That's just a fact. But I believe negligent, uneducated and irresponsible dog owners are the first part of the equasion when reviewing how, when and why a dog attacks a human or another dog.
 
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I think it is important for peopel to understand that ALL DOGS BITE and the only way I can think of to get that point across is by listing other dog bites.

I do think the positive should be posted more then other dogs biting because hopefully "dog people" are smart enough to realize that any dog will bite, and that is why instead of posting other breeds attacking I have chosen to post *positive* stories about pit bulls (because believe me there are plenty).


I do think Casa knew this would happen when she made her first post. I could have told you it was coming when I read the post a couple days ago, right after Casa posted it.
 
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I think it is important for peopel to understand that ALL DOGS BITE and the only way I can think of to get that point across is by listing other dog bites.

I do think the positive should be posted more then other dogs biting because hopefully "dog people" are smart enough to realize that any dog will bite, and that is why instead of posting other breeds attacking I have chosen to post *positive* stories about pit bulls (because believe me there are plenty).


I do think Casa knew this would happen when she made her first post. I could have told you it was coming when I read the post a couple days ago, right after Casa posted it.
Thank you. I don't see any reason to hide facts to make other people feel better about their breed.

I like good stories as well, unfortunately, sometimes it doesn't get the point across as well.

I am sorry for those of you that think I am making other breeds look bad. That is not what I am doing.

Like I said before. Maybe if there WERE other breeds affected by BSL, more would be getting done to stop it rather than people saying "oh well now other breeds look bad" and "at least its not my breed" and sitting back and watching it happen, hoping that it won't come to your breed, all the while saying you are against BSL but doing nothing to change it.

*Note* This is not directed to any one person so don't get nasty. I am talking about people in general.
 

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I just don't understand why you are telling us this, Bullied. What's the point? We all live with dogs, of course we know any dog can bite.

By posting statistics like this all you are doing is fueling more BSL or anti-dog legislation. Why would you cut off your nose to spite your face? Just because Pit Bulls face discrimination you want every breed's neck on the line? I think it's horrible that people are so brainwashed and I would be absolutely seething if this was my breed, but I wouldn't send in dozens of reports of other breeds attacking. That's just opening the door for even more stupid freaking laws.

From an objective point of view, it'd be more helpful to send in reports of Pit Bulls doing good things. Bahamutt's Loki seems to be a great agility dog, a lot of Pit Bulls are therapy dogs, some are search and rescue dogs, service dogs, etc. That is what will change the public's opinion on them. Telling people how vicious OTHER dog breeds can be will do nothing for their view on Pit Bulls - except now they'll hate Labs, GSDs and Huskies too.
I agree completely, especially the bolded parts.
 

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Maybe your tactics are doing more harm than help though. If you are truely trying to save your breed from BSL, then stop and seriously think. You have many non-pit people here telling you directly your tactics are hurting your campaign and turning people off from wanting to help. But obviously, you don't seem to mind so much.
 
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Why is it that the truth is so bad to some people. I think the problem is, is that they truely do hold other breeds higher on the pedestal than the "Pit Bulls". God forbid, someone tells the truth and lists other breeds that can attack (all of them).
 
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I would also like to ask those of you that are mad because we "Pit Bull" people always talk about how great are dogs are. How are you going to feel when your breed is on the chopping block next???? And don't believe that it won't happen. If more is not done to change BSL Laws it will spiral and no ones dog will be safe.
 

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No, I know other breeds can attack. I just think what you are doing is not going to help your situation and only hurt the situation of other breeds by pulling them into BSL too.

I do think it's hypocritical that people say that a pit bull attack on a pit attack thread has nothing to do with breed and yet will use other dog attacks to prove that other breeds are bite happy- which is what you sound like you are saying.

I don't think you want to be doing what you are doing, i just think you are going about this whole fight the dreadfully wrong way.
 

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My breed is on the chopping block in some areas. (Dobermans) I agree something does need to be done about this. For now, I campaign my breed by showing, competing, training, training, training, and getting them out there in the public doing positive things. For every Dobie out there, whose had a bite incident put on record, I try to find 5 that have their AKC chamionships, Utility obedience titles, Canine Good Citizenship certificates or their therapy dog titles. Changing the publics perception of the breed, in a positive manner is what will save them, in my opinion. I am hoping my new Dobie will be an ambasador for the breed, in the future, in the same manner the other dogs in his line have been.
 

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No, I know other breeds can attack. I just think what you are doing is not going to help your situation and only hurt the situation of other breeds by pulling them into BSL too.

I do think it's hypocritical that people say that a pit bull attack on a pit attack thread has nothing to do with breed and yet will use other dog attacks to prove that other breeds are bite happy- which is what you sound like you are saying.

I don't think you want to be doing what you are doing, i just think you are going about this whole fight the dreadfully wrong way.
Maybe your tactics are doing more harm than help though. If you are truely trying to save your breed from BSL, then stop and seriously think. You have many non-pit people here telling you directly your tactics are hurting your campaign and turning people off from wanting to help. But obviously, you don't seem to mind so much.
I agree with Laurelin. And as your comment about waiting til our breeds are targeted next, rotties are one of my heart breeds, and I sure am scared as hell of BSL, as are others, and despise it with a passion, but I still don't think that taking other breeds down with you is effective to make your point.
 

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Fatal Dog Attacks - Canada: 1983 - 2003
1983 (2) Farm Dogs Roaming dogs kill child (Edmonton)
1987 (1) German Shep X Chained,killed child (Vernon)
1988 (1) German Shep Unsupervised child (PQ)
1990 (1) Chow Chow Attack on newborn (ON)
1993 (1) Sled dogs Chained dogs kill child (N.W.T.)
1993 (5) Sled dogs Attacked by loose dogs (AB)
1994 (1) Maremma Sheepdog Family dog killed child (ON)
1995 (2) Am Staffs Roommate provoked dogs (ON)
1995 (2) German Sheps Killed by uncle's dogs (SK)
1996 (?) Strays Child killed by stray dogs (MB)
1997 (1) Sled dog Chained dog w/pups (SK)
1998 (?) Sled dogs Pack chained on sea ice (Iqaluit)
1998 (1) Bullmastiff Playing w/neighbor's dog (ON)
1998 (8) Lab/Huskies Xs Mother & son killed by pack (Nfld)
1998 (6) Strays Boy killed by strays (MB)
1999 (1) Husky X Neighbor's dog (BC)
1999 (1) Husky One of 24 chained dogs (PQ)
1999 (1) Husky X Grandfather's dog (NWT)
1999 (?) Strays Girl killed by starving dogs (AB)
2002 (2) Lab X & Rott Attacked in field (ON)
2003 (3) Rottweilers Boy wandered into yard (NB)
2003 (4) German Shep Xs Grandmother's dogs (MB)

Most of these cases are sordid, and they are certainly not representative of dog owners as a whole. The table is a bit out of date, as it does not mention the three deaths since 2003 all of which have been children on reserves in the northern prairies by feral dogs running loose.

You may also be interested in this list of dog attacks (2004 - April 2006), compiled by an authority on the subject. This list is put together from news reports, not the best source for information, but I'd like to share it with you anyway (highlighting indicates an incident in Ontario):

1.April 25, 2006, a toddler will be scarred for life after a savage attack by the family's Labrador Retriever/Kelpie cross. The child was left unsupervised with the dog.

2.April 25, 2006, a young girl was bitten in the face by an at-large Labrador Retriever mix her mother inexplicably allowed her to hug. (Always avoid unsupervised dogs.)

3.April 24, 2006, an elderly Toronto woman suffered several bite wounds when she was bitten by a German Shepherd being cared for by a neighbor.

4.April 24, 2006, a girl was mauled by the family's Alaskan Malamute. (The report lists the dog as an "Alaskan Husky", but no such breed exists. It could be either a Siberian Husky, or an Alaskan Malamute. After obtaining a photograph of the dog, it is clearly an Alaskan Malamute.) The dog had attacked a child previously.

5.April 24, 2006, a jogger alleges she was bitten by one of several dogs purposefully released from the owner's kennel. According to both the victim and the owner of the dogs, the bite was inflicted by either a Siberian Husky or a Husky/wolf cross.

6.April 22, 2006, a 6-year-old boy was attacked by a German Shepherd while playing tag with friends. The boy's mother points out that her boyfriend's 'pit bull', for example, is a very friendly dog, and the responsibility lies with the owner of any dog, whatever its breed, to prevent attacks by properly raising and supervising it.

7.April 20, 2006, a 'pit bull' was viciously attacked by a Pomeranian while out on a walk with its owner. The owner of the Pomeranian will face several charges.

8.April 15, 2006, a York Region boy was mauled by a neighbor’s Labrador Retriever mix, after it escaped its cage and attacked the boy while playing in his driveway.

9.April 15, 2006, a man in York Region was badly mauled by a Tibetan Mastiff.

10.April 14, 2006, a couple has been ordered to remove at least half their 9 or more Border Collies, after numerous biting incidents.



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:hail: :hail: Great post
 
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Me posting what I posted was not to say that other breeds are bite happy. Obviously you all never actually read any of the incidents. There is one in there of a child biting another child. Am I trying to bring children down? No!. What I am doing is pointing out the fact that it is not only pit bull type breeds and I am sorry, but I am sick as hell of trying to put a happy face on this problem. Facts are facts and if you don't like them so be it. But I am not going to hide the fact that dogs can bite no matter what their breed. I will in no way protect ANY dog that bites regardless of breed. I will fight for the dogs that need it. Right now its not labs, or german shepherds or chihuahuas etc.

As said before the truth is the truth and I was not trying to make other breeds look bad, I was simply stating that all dogs can bite, in the hands of someone irresponsible. If you think that I was attacking certain breeds you are wrong. I should post the rest of them. I think there was actually one of **** near every breed, including the "pit bull" type dogs.
 

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