Very curious to hear some opinions on this
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Watch it starting at 8:50...
Yes, it a MR trainer.
I don't have an issue with the agility per se - its how they use it as psychological warfare. Deliberately put the dog in a scary situation and then "save" him. Not exactly an honest way of building trust - more like the kidnapper syndrome - who was that gal who fell in love with her kidnappers?
My guys do "dangerous" stuff all the time - THEIR choice. They enjoy romping through the woods, over under through stuff. Playing on slick rocks in the stream and yeah, even climbing slippery waterfalls - THEY choose to do it, they have confidence in THEMSELVES, not a warped relationship with a "master".
Yes, it a MR trainer.
I don't have an issue with the agility per se - its how they use it as psychological warfare. Deliberately put the dog in a scary situation and then "save" him. Not exactly an honest way of building trust - more like the kidnapper syndrome - who was that gal who fell in love with her kidnappers?
My guys do "dangerous" stuff all the time - THEIR choice. They enjoy romping through the woods, over under through stuff. Playing on slick rocks in the stream and yeah, even climbing slippery waterfalls - THEY choose to do it, they have confidence in THEMSELVES, not a warped relationship with a "master".
On the "agility" video...I did have to laugh at the Labrador. All of the other dogs are hesitant and/or are carrying their tails low and looking for reassurance...that Lab is just like, "ZOMG, BEST GAME EVER!" But what is the purpose of having dogs go over such extreme obstacles like that...? And a puppy doing it? 
Talk about screwing up some joints.
I'm not even going to touch on anything else...
Talk about screwing up some joints.I'm not even going to touch on anything else...
I didn't watch all of the videos, just parts.
The first one, the dog looks to be anticipating commands. My dogs do the same when we fall into a rut and train the same stuff too much. He doesn't look happy to be doing it to me, either.
The only dog in the agility video that didn't look unhappy was the lab and the little terrier.
The first one, the dog looks to be anticipating commands. My dogs do the same when we fall into a rut and train the same stuff too much. He doesn't look happy to be doing it to me, either.
The only dog in the agility video that didn't look unhappy was the lab and the little terrier.
Well, yeah, that...
I guess I should have said that it was not the "dangerous" aspect of the course that got me, but how the dogs were being asked to perform it. If you're having to haul your dog around the course I don't think that really counts as the DOG doing agility does it?
Watching the dobe puppy at the end, and the prong correction on the fence fighting video, makes me wonder how often these trainers get re-directed on. I know for sure our rescue dane would have surely re-directed on him had that guy pulled that $hit on him. Ya know, probably not even re-directed, just plain old f-you I'll chew your arm off LOL.
He's a lucky guy that harl dane seems to have a timid temperament.
I guess I should have said that it was not the "dangerous" aspect of the course that got me, but how the dogs were being asked to perform it. If you're having to haul your dog around the course I don't think that really counts as the DOG doing agility does it?
Watching the dobe puppy at the end, and the prong correction on the fence fighting video, makes me wonder how often these trainers get re-directed on. I know for sure our rescue dane would have surely re-directed on him had that guy pulled that $hit on him. Ya know, probably not even re-directed, just plain old f-you I'll chew your arm off LOL.
He's a lucky guy that harl dane seems to have a timid temperament.
That was exactly what I thought. There's a Mal I know who would have chewed him up one side and down the other for doing something like that. And I would stand there and let the dog too.
The "agility" course was ridiculous. I would love to have a set up like that to play around with my GROWN ADULT dogs, but dragging them around and forcing puppies to do something is just wrong. None of those dogs but the Lab looked like they were having any fun. I couldn't watch the whole thing, just the parts pointed out, and the first two minutes or so.
The "agility" course was ridiculous. I would love to have a set up like that to play around with my GROWN ADULT dogs, but dragging them around and forcing puppies to do something is just wrong. None of those dogs but the Lab looked like they were having any fun. I couldn't watch the whole thing, just the parts pointed out, and the first two minutes or so.
At first I was wondering why the dog was so hesitant, but then I realized that being given a come! command, then a stay one can be kinda confusing. When I do that with Suzie she gets a lot more hesitant, likes shes waiting for me to give her that command.
Its not snappy, but she isn't a flashy dog.
Its impressive, but I wouldn't do that unless I could completely control the situation, like have drivers and people that knew what was going on.
Its not snappy, but she isn't a flashy dog.
Its impressive, but I wouldn't do that unless I could completely control the situation, like have drivers and people that knew what was going on.
Huh... Youtube says there are 7 comments total but I only see five. I do see yours Dekka, and yeah, total "whoosh" LOL. Will log in and like for sure
This is reminding me of this thread: http://www.chazhound.com/forums/t127743/
We're not telling this guy anything he hasn't heard before. He LIKES his methods and he believes they create great dogs. He's well aware of alternatives and flat rejects them. He doesn't WANT a dog who thinks for themselves.
Not much anyone can do or say to change that unfortunately.
This is reminding me of this thread: http://www.chazhound.com/forums/t127743/
We're not telling this guy anything he hasn't heard before. He LIKES his methods and he believes they create great dogs. He's well aware of alternatives and flat rejects them. He doesn't WANT a dog who thinks for themselves.
Not much anyone can do or say to change that unfortunately.
A LOT of trainers are this way. It's common among service dog trainers: a person in a wheelchair has a hard time handling a dog that thinks too much for himself.
If you want a dog that doesn't do anything "bad," then this guy's getting those results. Unfortunately it results in a dog that doesn't do anything, but if you think about it, that's what the general public WANTS out of their dog.
If you want a dog that doesn't do anything "bad," then this guy's getting those results. Unfortunately it results in a dog that doesn't do anything, but if you think about it, that's what the general public WANTS out of their dog.