I know how *I* feel about this video, but am curious as to Chazzers take 
YouTube - RD working in a parking lot
YouTube - RD working in a parking lot
Very curious to hear some opinions on this
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Alright I'll bight . I am no trainer at all. My dog is horrid , but loveable.
I love your video . The dog was attentive , though looked kinda uncertain at times, He did not dart around or pay any attention to others really. he stopped when told and came also.
The parking lot looked busy , but not something to unsafe especially since it looked like you where right across the way from him and people where probably already slowing down trying to figure out why you where standing there with a camera filming a big pretty dog. LOL
I personally would not do this , cause as i said my dog is horrid and would be gone the second i let her go. But you seemed to have the dog under control.
So my 2 cents , for what it is worth.
I love your video . The dog was attentive , though looked kinda uncertain at times, He did not dart around or pay any attention to others really. he stopped when told and came also.
The parking lot looked busy , but not something to unsafe especially since it looked like you where right across the way from him and people where probably already slowing down trying to figure out why you where standing there with a camera filming a big pretty dog. LOL
I personally would not do this , cause as i said my dog is horrid and would be gone the second i let her go. But you seemed to have the dog under control.
So my 2 cents , for what it is worth.
Oh, sorry I wasn't clear. NOT my dog, NOT my video!
But thanks for commenting
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The reason I posted this rather benign video is b/c I have a rather emotional reaction to this trainer having seen his other videos. Can't stand the guy's methods really, and I wonder how much that jades my view of the final product.
I'm not impressed. The dog looks nervous to me, flighty, not the snappy, confident responses I would expect from a "well" trained dog.
But I wonder, if I thought this dog were trained using different methods, would I "see" something different.
That's why I asked
But thanks for commenting
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The reason I posted this rather benign video is b/c I have a rather emotional reaction to this trainer having seen his other videos. Can't stand the guy's methods really, and I wonder how much that jades my view of the final product.
I'm not impressed. The dog looks nervous to me, flighty, not the snappy, confident responses I would expect from a "well" trained dog.
But I wonder, if I thought this dog were trained using different methods, would I "see" something different.
That's why I asked
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THe dog's movements are slow and cautious/tense body language, ears look very 'worried'. So either this is a very insecure dog, or its been trained with some pretty heavy duty aversives.
That said those sorts of vids don't impress me. Why would you want to do this with your dog? You might be ok with the risk level. But what about the person who hits your dog?
That said those sorts of vids don't impress me. Why would you want to do this with your dog? You might be ok with the risk level. But what about the person who hits your dog?
Meh.
The dog looked like it was ready for a new command to be told at any moment (and the way the guy gave the command many times sounded like he was going to change it), that's why I thought the dog was more hesitant until a much more decisive Come was given. Then he was all wiggly and happy and came much more enthusiastically
I work in a parking lot all the time. I do it on a long line but that's because I don't trust Traveler yet. But I have been not holding the line while not being next to him and put him in a down away from me when a car was coming. It's good practise and I like knowing that Traveler will do that if it's ever a real life situation.
I wasn't that impressed more because it wasn't clean. Looked to me like the guy had things under control and knew his dog.
I don't know the dog, I dont' know the training and I'm not going to judge from a couple minutes of edited clips
The dog looked like it was ready for a new command to be told at any moment (and the way the guy gave the command many times sounded like he was going to change it), that's why I thought the dog was more hesitant until a much more decisive Come was given. Then he was all wiggly and happy and came much more enthusiastically
I work in a parking lot all the time. I do it on a long line but that's because I don't trust Traveler yet. But I have been not holding the line while not being next to him and put him in a down away from me when a car was coming. It's good practise and I like knowing that Traveler will do that if it's ever a real life situation.
I wasn't that impressed more because it wasn't clean. Looked to me like the guy had things under control and knew his dog.
I don't know the dog, I dont' know the training and I'm not going to judge from a couple minutes of edited clips
I agree with this...although it also could be just uncomfortable with sitting on wet pavement and the constant stop and start on recall...but I suspect there's been some pretty heavy handed training done.
I can see the benefit...my dog would likely panic if separated from my sight by oncoming traffic, and I wouldn't want him to suddenly dart across the road at that moment to get to me. But I can set up plenty of situations where there are moving distractions and visual barriers between me and my dog without vehicles.
I can see the benefit...my dog would likely panic if separated from my sight by oncoming traffic, and I wouldn't want him to suddenly dart across the road at that moment to get to me. But I can set up plenty of situations where there are moving distractions and visual barriers between me and my dog without vehicles.
That second video
I thought it was because of the wet pavement and stuff too until I saw the second video. VERY heavy handed.
I thought it was because of the wet pavement and stuff too until I saw the second video. VERY heavy handed.
Blergh that was a mouthful!!
Looking at some of his other videos...like sit/down/stay, he seems to use a lot of physical manipulation, not so much correction in early stages...but the dog looks extremely uncomfortable with it.
So while it may not be something that's typically a harsh aversive, if he had any clue about how to read dogs, it would be obvious that to this dog, having his hind end folded into a sitting position is aversive.
YouTube - Teaching RD to Sit
So while it may not be something that's typically a harsh aversive, if he had any clue about how to read dogs, it would be obvious that to this dog, having his hind end folded into a sitting position is aversive.
YouTube - Teaching RD to Sit
I agree - praise is a non-punishment marker and he's wagging from relief.
This is my guy playing with my trainer. Even though they're both wagging their tails and "concentrating", I see totally different body language:
YouTube - Hind end awareness part B
This is my guy playing with my trainer. Even though they're both wagging their tails and "concentrating", I see totally different body language:
YouTube - Hind end awareness part B
Ugh they just get worse. YouTube - An Afternoon of Agility
Wouldnt that be DANGEROUS (the wood cable spools and later on the dobe's first jumps)
Wouldnt that be DANGEROUS (the wood cable spools and later on the dobe's first jumps)