*VENT* I feel..disgusted. "Quota-filler" Im so sick of this racism BULL****

[sparks19]

Meh I'd rather someone be trained to do something productive and say something stupid from time to time then to say something stupid and be wished a life of welfare because then we all pay lol

seriously though... it was ONE comment about a subject that many people are irritated by. he should have thought before he spoke absolutely. but I think using my connections to make him PAY for hurting my feelings is a bit much really. (not that Fran did this... she's a bigger person than that)

I think people should get into school's based on their grades and work ethic and determination... not whether they are nice people or not.

he will learn his lesson when someone steps up and kicks his ass for saying the wrong thing

 

[Romy]

A) This kid should have thought before he spoke. B) He should have applied to more than one school.

There are many things wrong with the whole situation. I would have no problem with his app being tossed. Welcome to the real world kid, you never know who has connections where, and your words and actions DO have consequences.

:hail::hail::hail:

He'd be in the exact same situation if he'd only applied for one job, and spewed racist insults at the HR director's daughter.

And come on, who only puts in one college app??? Seriously??? I've had several friends attend ivy league schools, one even had a 4.1 GPA, and all of them applied for 5 schools minimum. This guy sounds like he's got his head in the clouds. When the real world hits him it's going to hurt.

Even if he wasn't able to get into college this year (because of his lack of foresight in submitting applications and douchery) it wouldn't ruin his life. Plenty of people never go to college and do fine. Plenty of people delay it for a little while and do fine.

 

[Xandra]

It's more than just hurting her feelings... I doubt Fran would've even posted this if he said her dress was ugly or something.

I doubt he would be destined to a life of leaching off the system just because he didn't get into an Ivy League school.

It isn't like people are saying we should implement personality tests or personality background checks on people applying. But this works out so perfectly (seriously, what were the chances of a bigot randomly meeting and then insulting the daughter of a chairman of the only university he applied to... and all of this in a foreign country).

It's like the stars aligned to have at least a note stuck to his application.

Honestly I think it's great that Fran is willing to let this go, and that's probably what I would end up doing, too... but I wouldn't hold it against her if she put in a word either.

 

[Romy]

I think people should get into school's based on their grades and work ethic and determination... not whether they are nice people or not.

With these highly competitive schools, whether you're a "nice person" or not absolutely factors in. That's why volunteering for non profits and doing community service looks so great on an application, vs. an equally qualified academic who doesn't have that background.

I'd rather see a hard working, qualified philanthropist make it in rather than a douche of any variety.

 

[sparks19]

meh I just don't think the punishment fits the crime in this instance.

he would have learned his lesson much better with a kick in the nards or a punch to the face in front of his friends then to have his application thrown from a school that he now KNOWS the accused "quota fillers" daddy is a chairman. Yeah he wouldn't get a notice that THAT was the reason he didn't get in but if he's applying to an ivy league school Im PRETTY Sure he could put two and two together and that would likely only serve to make his opinion of "those people" even worse.

I'm all for people learning their lesson... I just don't see this as fitting nor do I think it would teach him his lesson because now he has someone to "blame" even if it had nothing to do with what he said. smacking him across his stupid face right then and there would have gotten the point across

and I also don't see doing charity work to put it on your application as an indication that you are a good person. it was for selfish reasons and if it wasn't intended that way it was still used to further yourself. real charity is doing it out of the goodness of your heart and not using it to your advantage. but I guess at least someone benefits from it but it certainly doesn't MAKE you a good person. you can still be a dick and do charity work to put it on your application.

 

[zoe08]

And come on, who only puts in one college app??? Seriously??? I've had several friends attend ivy league schools, one even had a 4.1 GPA, and all of them applied for 5 schools minimum. This guy sounds like he's got his head in the clouds. When the real world hits him it's going to hurt.

I only applied to 1 school. Top 10% of my class and ACT score of 27 automatically got me accepted, no need to apply anywhere else. Costs too much too apply to a bunch of places I knew I wouldn't go.

 

[JustaLilBitaLuck]

I worked with a girl who was Dutch (she had lived here in the US since she was about 12 or so), so she spoke Dutch, but was also fluent in English. She had a bit of an accent, enough that you could tell she was from somewhere else, but not enough that you couldn't understand her. A customer came up to the counter, she asked if she could help him with anything, and he said that he wanted "An American, someone who speaks English" and then he started spouting off about illegal immigrants. She explained that she lived here legally, she spoke English, and she WAS an American citizen, she just wasn't born here. He got mad, and then asked to speak to the manager. Well, guess what? She WAS the manager. :-D

It was quite entertaining to watch. We even pulled it up later on the security cameras and watched it again.

 

[sparks19]

yes i worked with a girl who was from Columbia. not sure how long she had been in the country but she was difficult to understand but she was the SWEETEST lady ever. I adored her.

We had a suggestion box for customers and one time someone left a HORRIBLE card in there telling Roxy to learn F'in english or leave the country. she didn't deserve that. yes she was hard to understand but if you just LISTENED you could do it and she was never mean to ANYONE. and how cowardly to leave such a horrible thing anonymously GRRRRRRRR

 

[GlassOnion]

seriously though... it was ONE comment about a subject that many people are irritated by. he should have thought before he spoke absolutely. but I think using my connections to make him PAY for hurting my feelings is a bit much really. (not that Fran did this... she's a bigger person than that)

Agreed.


Do y'all really think punishing him further is going to do anything? No, it's going to **** him off and make him even MORE racist. Kid's most likely already sweating his balls off about how he potentially ****ed up his application. To have his fears confirmed will just validate his racist stance. To have them dashed by getting in would either a) make him think he was so awesome it didn't have any bearing or b) see that people of other 'races' aren't as bad as he thought.


I'm usually for people learning things the hard way but in this case confirming his opinion isn't going to help anyone.

And again it's not like he was actually wrong about the quota stuff, but Fran shouldn't have been the brunt of his rant.

 

[Bailey08]

Reread what he said. It was incredibly offensive and racist.

and this random boy was just like
"well, life must be so easy when you're a quota filler"
I thought I heard him wrong and was like EXCUSE ME?

and he said that I wouldn't have stood a chance at ANY of these schools if it wasn't for affirmative action. because
"people like you need your own set of standards to get in or else none of you would be able to go to good colleges"

If you have an issue with affirmative action, fine. I don't think it's an inherently bad thing, but, again, that's fine. But accusing someone you don't know of being unqualified to go to a certain school is the wrong way to go about addressing your concerns.

Anyway, if anything goes wrong with his app, he'll probably blame Fran either way. Someone like him, who apparently is so awesome that applying to one Ivy is the way to go, will always find someone else to blame if/when he doesn't get in.

And maybe we should start a new thread if people want to talk about affirmative action -- I feel kind of bad that there's all this junk in Fran's thread.

 

[sparks19]

all what junk?

there really isn't even THAT much talk about affirmative action in this thread and it's definitely relevant

 

[drmom777]

GO, as far as the school, is concerned, he isn't being punished, they are just being alerted to a highly undesirable feature of this applicant. At most of the ivy league schools there are some ten applicants for every accepted student, he will never know Fran had anything to do with anything. Getting in is a big crap shoot anyway. I don't think a good spot should be wasted on this character anyway.

 

[Bailey08]

all what junk?

there really isn't even THAT much talk about affirmative action in this thread and it's definitely relevant

Didn't mean to sound rude. My thought was just that she had a pretty bad experience and was venting and now people are debating all of these "hot" topics...and maybe I am just more sensitive than she would be.

 

[Tahla9999]

Do y'all really think punishing him further is going to do anything? No, it's going to **** him off and make him even MORE racist. Kid's most likely already sweating his balls off about how he potentially ****ed up his application. To have his fears confirmed will just validate his racist stance. To have them dashed by getting in would either a) make him think he was so awesome it didn't have any bearing or b) see that people of other 'races' aren't as bad as he thought.


I'm usually for people learning things the hard way but in this case confirming his opinion isn't going to help anyone.

I believe racist people just think differently than most people. When I meant differently is that a person isn't always raised to be a racist, rather they probably had a lot of negative encounters with people of a certain race and look at the negative encounters as representing the whole race. These people have a stereotypical perception when it comes to other races.

For example, take the stereotypical view that black people love rap music. Just because they meet a couple of black people who doesn't like rap music, that doesn't change his/her opinion that black people love rap music. That person see those people as merely exemptions to the rule. So if a racist think black people are violent, they aren't going to change their opinion even if they meet nonviolent black people.

To racist, every race has rules, but there are exceptions to that rule. That is the most frustrating thing about them. They will see those that don't act in a ''black'' way, or ''asian'' way, or whatever way, as just rarities.

I doubt this experience is going to make him more racist than he already is.

And again it's not like he was actually wrong about the quota stuff, but Fran shouldn't have been the brunt of his rant.

What exactly did he say that was right?

 

[Nechochwen]

What exactly did he say that was right?

He said that there are people who get into a college based on their skin color. He is right about that, there are diversity quotas that need to get filled every year. Does race factor into the equation of how most people get accepted? Probably not, and it shouldn't. Does it factor into how some people get accepted and financial aid/scholarships they get? Absolutely. I have a couple friends here at college who are getting most of their education paid for by the state because they're black instead of white. They didn't come from particular disadvantaged homes or poor families, nor did they have particularly outstanding grades; they just got more money because they're not white. That's how he was right.

 

[iibao]

Learn to laugh at idiots. Not worth getting angry over.
I wish we can start seeing each other as human beings already.
Haha, your father quote is awesome.

 

[GlassOnion]

GO, as far as the school, is concerned, he isn't being punished, they are just being alerted to a highly undesirable feature of this applicant. At most of the ivy league schools there are some ten applicants for every accepted student, he will never know Fran had anything to do with anything. Getting in is a big crap shoot anyway. I don't think a good spot should be wasted on this character anyway.

I'm aware of the crap shoot that is the Ivy league (some feel that a lottery system would be more fair than trying to select between identical applications). However, there's times I've gotten frustrated and said **** I probably shouldn't. Should I have my life ruined over it? Probably not. And at 17 I wasn't the epitome of intelligent. I'm 23 now and still haven't reached that goal yet.

Ruining the kids life over an outburst isn't really the way to go about things. He may not have ever gotten into the school to begin with but no need to solidify that because of a stupid comment.



And I still don't think his comment was stupid other than how he chose to express it. Fact is: affirmative action DOES happen and it's not exactly the fairest thing in the world.

Should he have told it to a random stranger he didn't know? No, but is being a poor choice of when not to run your mouth a good reason to ruin his chances at that school just because fran has connections? No.

 

[Renee750il]

I'm still trying to figure out how not getting into the Ivy League school would "ruin his life."

Oh, wait . . . If he doesn't get into the Ivy League school he's going to automatically default to a McJob :doh:

 

[GlassOnion]

Ruin potential, then.

Regardless of how you want to phrase it, you're still taking away a chance of his based on a stupid comment. And we all know that the truly great among us have NEVER made a mistake ever in their life!


I know you're not big on slips of paper from colleges but if you don't think a slip of paper from an Ivy league can open doors....

 

[sparks19]

Ruin potential, then.

Regardless of how you want to phrase it, you're still taking away a chance of his based on a stupid comment.

This

if we all lost something based on every stupid comment we all made... well no one here would have ANYTHING lol we all say stupid stuff ALL the time. things that offend people, that hurt peoples feelings, things that we may look back and regret... others that we will defend to the death even though it upset someone.

AND at 17 years old? I'm sure we were ALL saying more stupid things than we can count. not to mention DOING stupid things

yeah... wouldn't RUIN his life... but he's applying to an ivy league school... that leads me to believe that despite his idiotic teen angst tendancies he MAY have some REAL potential

I'd hate to think my doctor wouldn't BE because he said something stupid when he was a teenager.

We don't know what this guys grades are like... what his schooling is like... what his work ethic is like. we just know he made one REALLY stupid comment about a subject that pisses MANY people off. not right... but it doesn't deserve to have his chance at a fantastic education ruined because he's a stupid teenager