*VENT* I feel..disgusted. "Quota-filler" Im so sick of this racism BULL****

[Renee750il]

I DO think slips of paper open doors -- check out Avizdog's thread, and Ivy League slips open bigger doors. We need to have better quality people given access to those open doors. Imagine what would have happened if someone had attached a note to GWB's Ivy League application . . .

Hilly's right. Time to start learning that actions have consequences. The longer you wait to start learning that the harder the lessons are. Let the interviewers know, ask their questions, and make their own informed decision as to whether or not there's more to this one than swagger, excuses and bullshit.

 

[GlassOnion]

We don't know what this guys grades are like... what his schooling is like... what his work ethic is like. we just know he made one REALLY stupid comment about a subject that pisses MANY people off. not right... but it doesn't deserve to have his chance at a fantastic education ruined because he's a stupid teenager

Hell we don't even know what the guy is LIKE aside from a two second snippit and hearsay. For all we know he was reading an article on affirmative action at his chosen school that morning and it pissed him off because it lessens his chances of getting in because he was born with the wrong skin color. That would certainly make me less than cheery.

And just to reinforce: no that doesn't mean he can vent on random strangers, but it doesn't call for ruining his chances either. Let him sweat it.

Let the interviewers know, ask their questions, and make their own informed decision as to whether or not there's more to this one than swagger, excuses and bullshit.

No because that'll predispose them towards the negative. Which may cause them to have already have made up their mind, despite what he says. What if one of the interviewers is of a different ethnicity? Conflicts of interest, biased? Adcomms are just as human as the rest of us and just as likely to freeze someone out based on their own agendas.

 

[lizzybeth727]

I'm still trying to figure out how not getting into the Ivy League school would "ruin his life."

Oh, wait . . . If he doesn't get into the Ivy League school he's going to automatically default to a McJob :doh:

No, he'll have to go to a state school like poor 'ol me and ALL of my friends did.

I only applied to one college, but I knew I'd get in (my GPA and ACT scores were way above the minimum, AND I had several family members who were alumni). If this kid knew anything about Ivy League schools, he'd know that he only has about a 1/10 chance of getting in, and he'd be better off having a backup plan.

What he said WAS pretty racist, and to say that he should be excused just because he's 17 and immature is, IMO, insulting to a lot of other 17 year olds. I think they can be held to a slightly higher standard. I'd say that they should put a note on his application to keep the situation in mind at this particular school; that doesn't take away his chances of getting into any other school.

 

[GipsyQueen]

I'm a bit late on this thread, but:

I think what Fran did is alright. He was racist and he put it directly towards her. He's not in highschool anymore, this is the real world. If you were to do that to your current bosses daughter, I'm sure you could pack your bags faster than what you said.
Only applying to one college, esp. Ivy League is stupid. Its not just grades that get you into an Ivy League school. I just applied to about 10 colleges, even though I'm 99.9% sure I'll get into my college of choice, because minimum scores were always below my GPA. I wasn't bad in school, but that doesn't give me a ticket to EVERY school.

 

[Hillside]

So a 17year old, who might have actually been 18 should be treated with kid gloves? Screw that.... at that age, you are WELL aware of the world as a whole (ESPECIALLY if you are traveling abroad.)

ON the McJob front.... I have yet to go to college and I have yet to work for McD...so to say that this is this kid's only option if he was rejected from the school of choice is a) grossly inaccurate and b) insulting to those of us who haven't gone to college. A lack of college education does NOT automatically equal a life of fast food servitude.

Oh and since we are being elitest/classist or whatever, what is wrong with working at McD's? Putting down someone's class/job choice is just as snotty or whatnot as putting down somebody for other reasons. I'm pretty sure we have at least a couple Chaz members that work fast food.....does that make them less of a person? Less worthy of respect? Subhuman? Screw that.

Fran is the bad one for calling in her connections, but the racist douchebag who mouths off to somebody of a "different race" deserves a chance and sympathy? HAAAA! "Damning" someone to a life of fast food slavery since he couldn't get into the ONE college he applied to after running his mouth off to the wrong person is some sort of bad? PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT. That is the biggest leap I've seen in a while. Fran, go ahead, have this kid's app dumped, he deserves it. I would do it in a heartbeat. The world isn't a happy huggy place, get over it.

 

[GlassOnion]

It's interesting how many people want to throw this kid under the bus for an outburst.

If y'all are so certain the kid is going to fall flat on his face in his Ivy league attempt, why does he need Fran's help in doing so? It's just petty revenge at this point. You know the kid is already sweating it big time.

Additionally, if 'the world isn't a happy huggy place (get over it)' why should Fran be all up in arms about it? So a random douchebag said something mean. Get over it, evidently.

 

[Taqroy]

After reading all that's happened in this thread since I posted....I'd still get his app thrown out (or noted....whatever works). I can sympathize with saying things before you've thought it out, I used to have a HUGE problem with this and sometimes I still do - BUT ya know how I learned to STFU and think before I talked? By having consequences for my actions. By hurting people's feelings and feeling horribly guilty over it several times (I'm a slow learner and some of my family is uber sensitive). Just because this kid is 17 and just because he may or may not be a contributing member of society (although I'm not seeing the connection between Ivy League schools and contributor, I'm sure there's just as many jerks at Ivy's as at state schools) does NOT give him a free pass. If you're gonna act like a jerk you will eventually have to face consequences.

Yes there is affirmative action, yes there are quotas that have to be met but none of that gives me the right to walk up to a Hispanic on campus in Pueblo and tell them how much better and smarter and more awesomer I am essentially just because I'm white. And yes, that is what he said (at least the way I read it).

 

[~Jessie~]

GO, as far as the school, is concerned, he isn't being punished, they are just being alerted to a highly undesirable feature of this applicant. At most of the ivy league schools there are some ten applicants for every accepted student, he will never know Fran had anything to do with anything. Getting in is a big crap shoot anyway. I don't think a good spot should be wasted on this character anyway.

I agree.

And I went to a lowly state school and turned out okay. I've yet to work in a job that pays even close to minimum wage.

 

[Renee750il]

Why should there be consequences for his outburst? Why would it be good for his application to be noted?

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke

 

[sparks19]

just because he said something stupid doesn't make him EVIL lol.

Are we all saying we've NEVER been mean to anyone in our lives? I see us being mean to people on here all the time. we are all prone to outbursts and inappropriate things but that doesn't dictate WHO we are as people. he's not automatically evil because he lashed out.

As for the fast food college thing... give me a break. I didn't go to college either and I worked fast food A LOT and now I'm a stay at home mom "unemplyed". So don't give me that BS that I'm being an elitest lol but I won't be telling Hannah when she's older "hey don't go to college you'll be fine without it" she may very well be fine without it but I'll still encourage her to go.

 

[Renee750il]

No, it doesn't make HIM necessarily evil, but that mindset he is manifesting most assuredly is.

If you stand for something you should, well, stand for it.

There's a huge difference in getting his app thrown out and doing like DrMom has mentioned; putting a note on it for the screening committee and interviewers to be aware of and make their own decision based on more information.

 

[Lilavati]

I'm not going to comment on the right thing to do here . . . honestly, in Fran's place I would at least consider sabotaging the guy. However, I do think its important that whatever the consequences, he learn what he did. Not make a racist comment . . . maybe he had a bad day, or maybe he's a racist pig . . . it doesn't matter for the purposes of this situation. Because racist or not, he did something that is almost certain to ensure his failure in life if he does it again.

No, what he did was say something very rude to a stranger, not knowing who that stranger was, and who that stranger knew. One should never do that . . . because you never know who they are . . . and what they can do to you. Two quick examples:

My father was interviewing a young lawyer for a job at his firm (he's a senior partner). The young lawyer started ranting about how he thought it was really strange how all those old school lawyers wore red suspenders. At which point Dad stood up and shrugged off his coat . . . to reveal . . . red suspenders.

One of my best friends while I was in high school at a ruthless social climber step-mother . . . probably know the type. She strongly disapproved of me, with my scruffy hair, leather jacket and sports car . . . obviously trash, of course. Throughly nasty to me. And then, for reasons I now can't remember, the topic of the Binghams (the richest people in Louisville at the time) came up while I was at their house. I can't remember now why, or precisely what I said, but I revealed that my parents had known the Binghams since before I was born and were often invited to their parties. The look of horror on that woman's face . . . and she was always VERY nice to me after that.

In other words, this young man had better learn that you never know WHO you are talking too . . . and what they can do to you if you act like an a-hole.

 

[sparks19]

Oh I definitely think he needs to learn a lesson. I just don't think education is an area to hit someone in.

Education is very important and we don't know what he is planning on majoring in or what his grades are like. This may be something that only an Ivy league school can give the way that they do. that's not saying there is anythign wrong with state schools... but depending on the major it CAN matter

I just don't think education is an area that should be up for revenge

 

[Lilavati]

Oh I definitely think he needs to learn a lesson. I just don't think education is an area to hit someone in.

Education is very important and we don't know what he is planning on majoring in or what his grades are like. This may be something that only an Ivy league school can give the way that they do. that's not saying there is anythign wrong with state schools... but depending on the major it CAN matter

I just don't think education is an area that should be up for revenge

No, that's probably true, although, if you want to flip it around . . . he resents people who (theoretically) get in because of their race, thus taking the place of someone else. Well, if he gets in, he might take the place of someone who, at the very least, has the sense to keep rude comments to themselves. But it would be petty to sabotage him over it.

Perhaps the right thing to do would be to let him know exactly who he was talking to and what Fran COULD have done. I don't know any way you could do it without sounding snotty, but its something he needs to learn for his own good, not to mention because what he said was unforgivably rude and he deserves to be throughly embarassed.

 

[milos_mommy]

I don't believe revenge is the right thing to do, or even really okay, ever, except in maybe some petty cases where no one gets hurt.


However, I 110% believe in karma, and the big fat coincidence that is Fran's family connections and power to knock this arrogant, cocky little brat off his high horse sure looks like karma to me

I won't get started on the whole quota-filler bullcrap, but the point is, this kid was rude, disrespectful, made assumptions he shouldn't have, and has probably spent his whole life assuming he is someone special because of his daddy's diploma and how much money he makes. Ivy league schools have plenty of those kids to go around, they don't need any more of them. Maybe a year or two from now when this kid learns when to bite his tongue or ask questions instead of pulling information out of his behind, he'll be ready to transfer.

 

[sparks19]

No, that's probably true, although, if you want to flip it around . . . he resents people who (theoretically) get in because of their race, thus taking the place of someone else. Well, if he gets in, he might take the place of someone who, at the very least, has the sense to keep rude comments to themselves. But it would be petty to sabotage him over it.

Perhaps the right thing to do would be to let him know exactly who he was talking to and what Fran COULD have done. I don't know any way you could do it without sounding snotty, but its something he needs to learn for his own good, not to mention because what he said was unforgivably rude and he deserves to be throughly embarassed.

Fran did tell him although I don't think she told him that she could have his application thrown out but she did tell him who her father was and he started to sweat it and I hope he is still sweating it.

we all say rude thigns sometimes... things that are totally offensive to someone else especially when we were all younger. His outburst was totally uncalled for but I don't think anyone is innocent of having never had an outburst.

this kid definitely needs some higher education and life experience and that's jsut what he'll get away at school

 

[drmom777]

I think you believe that the admissions process to these places is somehow fair to begin with, Sparks. Well, it isn't. And since these kid are interviewed, they can already screw up their chances in one fell swoop. As an interviewer, I can't really get kids in, but I can keep them out. This kid had the misfortune of having a "candid camera" type impromptu interview. It gave insight into his thought processes and character. someone who has not made this mistake will get in. He won't. This is not a tragedy.

In fact, in my opinion, the current admissions process specifically excludes anyone who is really special, who is really going to make a difference in the world, from these elite schools. They are in the business of creating what I call modern mandarins. If he is really something special he will do fine somewhere else.

 

[GlassOnion]

In fact, in my opinion, the current admissions process specifically excludes anyone who is really special, who is really going to make a difference in the world, from these elite schools. They are in the business of creating what I call modern mandarins. If he is really something special he will do fine somewhere else.

Because we're all innately driven to do one thing and our experiences at a given place have no bearing on what we might become.

 

[milos_mommy]

College admissions are about as corrupt as most other things in this country.


The local university here has a massive, massive asian population. A lot of the students are international, many are just of asian heritage.

At this point, they'd admit a white kid with decent grades faster than an asian kid with good grades, because they've got to fill their quotas.

It is, without a doubt, a real issue. But no issues, no matter how big, give people the right to be rude to strangers whose situation they know nothing about.

 

[GipsyQueen]

College admissions are about as corrupt as most other things in this country.


The local university here has a massive, massive asian population. A lot of the students are international, many are just of asian heritage.

At this point, they'd admit a white kid with decent grades faster than an asian kid with good grades, because they've got to fill their quotas.

It is, without a doubt, a real issue. But no issues, no matter how big, give people the right to be rude to strangers whose situation they know nothing about.

Why does it even matter what race one is, when applying to college. That itself IMO has an edge of racism.
I just finished applying to about 10 colleges, all that mattered were my grades and anything else I had to offer, not what race I am. My race wasn't even asked. Why can't they just take it off the applications and illiminate the quota?