Some Pit Education
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I would say she definately has some pit in her. And listen to Dr2Little. She is all about the ears!
Thats a pic of my AmStaff...there is defintately a resemblance there.
Thats a pic of my AmStaff...there is defintately a resemblance there.
Verde is a great girl and BD is teaching her the house rules for rough housing and she is very fast in learning her manners, a very smart and sweet girl.
HP?
As far as your dog goes, he could have some "pit bull" in him somewhere....it's possible. It's just hard to judge that even with an experienced eye as so many other breeds share similar characteristics (including earsets). That said, I love brindles & he's a nose picking beauty!
And Georgygirl, great post!
As far as your dog goes, he could have some "pit bull" in him somewhere....it's possible. It's just hard to judge that even with an experienced eye as so many other breeds share similar characteristics (including earsets). That said, I love brindles & he's a nose picking beauty!
And Georgygirl, great post!
For the most part, HD is not a big problem with APBTs. However, as with any breed, if dogs with HD or borderline HD are being bred, there is a great chance of having dysplastic dogs produced. And unfortunately, back yard breeders &/or puppy peddlers have found the "pit bull" breeds to be very profitable & you can bet your fanny they don't even know or bother to care about the quality of dogs being produced.
However, HD is more prominent is certain bloodlines of "APBTs" (& I use the term loosely), because of outcrossing to other breeds in an effort to breed dogs for size and/or looks. The founder of the Razor's Edge dogs just recently admitted that he used English Bulldogs & "other" breeds in the making of his bloodline basically prooving us right that his dogs are mutts. EB's are known for their horrible hips so 1+1= you get the picture. Also, some of the other lines such as the Camelot & Whopper lines outcrossed to Dogue de Bordeauxs & other mastiffs in an effort to achieve the desire 100+lb "pit bull" & once again created a slew of health problems by outcrossing to breeds where HD runs rampant.
In a wellbred true to standard APBT, HD is relatively rare. In the bred for size & looks dogs, it's becoming more & more common.
Also, American Bulldogs (also considered "pit bulls"), have a high right of HD & this breed of often crossed with "APBTs" by bybs in an effort to create a bigger dog....there again introducing the health problems from one breed into another.
However, HD is more prominent is certain bloodlines of "APBTs" (& I use the term loosely), because of outcrossing to other breeds in an effort to breed dogs for size and/or looks. The founder of the Razor's Edge dogs just recently admitted that he used English Bulldogs & "other" breeds in the making of his bloodline basically prooving us right that his dogs are mutts. EB's are known for their horrible hips so 1+1= you get the picture. Also, some of the other lines such as the Camelot & Whopper lines outcrossed to Dogue de Bordeauxs & other mastiffs in an effort to achieve the desire 100+lb "pit bull" & once again created a slew of health problems by outcrossing to breeds where HD runs rampant.
In a wellbred true to standard APBT, HD is relatively rare. In the bred for size & looks dogs, it's becoming more & more common.
Also, American Bulldogs (also considered "pit bulls"), have a high right of HD & this breed of often crossed with "APBTs" by bybs in an effort to create a bigger dog....there again introducing the health problems from one breed into another.
FYI
These are OFA's statistics for Hips in Pits. Im suprised no one looked it up before now
AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER from 2000-2002 there were only 128 dogs OfA'd and 25 percent of them were displastic.
1990-1992 only 34 got thier OFA and 14.7 were displastic which leaves the breed as far as change in HD percentages a Negative 24.9 percent change towards the worse or in other words 24.9 percent worse.
http://offa.org/hipstatbreed.html?view=2
They are ranked #27 out of 142 for HD.
http://offa.org/hipstatbreed.html?view=1
Did you know this information? You should
How many pits do you own? Are they on OFA?
For those of you who have no idea how bad that is I will put it into perspective.
Labs are notorious for HD. Thier rank is 74 out of 142 for HD
9.4 percent out of 26976 were displastic 2000-2002
To me that causes alot of concern for the pitbull breed
Why arent more pit owners OFA ing thier dogs? Is it a hipe that pits dont have hip problems therefore you dont have to test for it?
Is there some other type of testing you do like Penn Hip?
I also wanted to point out that I have scanned through this thread and found you saying one thing then something a bit different. I will quote it all later and show you what I mean.
Also I dont know if its the way you post or what, but you are very condensending in your posts and the least bit sincere unless someone gives you or pits praise or agrees. Again thats my observation.
Also even though you say that the one SKINNY dog is in top condition I do not agree. Nothing you have said has changed my mind. There are a few that you posted that look good. A little overly muscled for me but thats just my preference. I like a nice build dont get me wrong but thats a bit much for me
Im glad you are passionate about your breed. That is a big deal and I respect that.
These are OFA's statistics for Hips in Pits. Im suprised no one looked it up before now
AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER from 2000-2002 there were only 128 dogs OfA'd and 25 percent of them were displastic.
1990-1992 only 34 got thier OFA and 14.7 were displastic which leaves the breed as far as change in HD percentages a Negative 24.9 percent change towards the worse or in other words 24.9 percent worse.
http://offa.org/hipstatbreed.html?view=2
They are ranked #27 out of 142 for HD.
http://offa.org/hipstatbreed.html?view=1
Did you know this information? You should
How many pits do you own? Are they on OFA?
For those of you who have no idea how bad that is I will put it into perspective.
Labs are notorious for HD. Thier rank is 74 out of 142 for HD
9.4 percent out of 26976 were displastic 2000-2002
To me that causes alot of concern for the pitbull breed
Why arent more pit owners OFA ing thier dogs? Is it a hipe that pits dont have hip problems therefore you dont have to test for it?
Is there some other type of testing you do like Penn Hip?
I also wanted to point out that I have scanned through this thread and found you saying one thing then something a bit different. I will quote it all later and show you what I mean.
Also I dont know if its the way you post or what, but you are very condensending in your posts and the least bit sincere unless someone gives you or pits praise or agrees. Again thats my observation.
Also even though you say that the one SKINNY dog is in top condition I do not agree. Nothing you have said has changed my mind. There are a few that you posted that look good. A little overly muscled for me but thats just my preference. I like a nice build dont get me wrong but thats a bit much for me
Im glad you are passionate about your breed. That is a big deal and I respect that.
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Since I have been following this post over the past few days, I would like to say that it seems that some are still not convinced that Lil' Bit could ever look like that naturally and that simply isn't true.
Here is another example of a young non-worked dog that simply has the genetic pre-disposition to stay fit and trim. The pup in this pic was only 9 mths old at the time of the photo and had never done anything more than play with ourselves and our children in the yard and walk on a leash in and out of the show ring, (where she places quite higly because of her structure and build).
There are simply many differences in the breeds that each of us chooses to own and until we educate ourselves on others breed of choice we need to simply sit back listen, ask questions, and not judge what we do not know.
Here is another example of a young non-worked dog that simply has the genetic pre-disposition to stay fit and trim. The pup in this pic was only 9 mths old at the time of the photo and had never done anything more than play with ourselves and our children in the yard and walk on a leash in and out of the show ring, (where she places quite higly because of her structure and build).
There are simply many differences in the breeds that each of us chooses to own and until we educate ourselves on others breed of choice we need to simply sit back listen, ask questions, and not judge what we do not know.
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???? Could you give us what entails the sport you do? I am not familiar as to what it takes to do that sport.
still no answer to the exercise??
I over looked this statement sorry I was wrong
No answer
Your answer to blues q
Now ok I have some athletic dogs. Not one of them are as near as muscled as some of the pics here. They get lots of exercise too. Granted they are not Pits but they do come from lines who have nice builds. So do they. If they werent exercised they would have no build. No dog would. Genetics surely cannot be the only factor in how ripped these dogs are. JMO
The three pits you posted on page 5 at the bottom are more balanced as far as muscle tone to body ratio.
Eating is a form of exercise? Come on now these dogs have to be exercised to build muscle its a fact. I have a hard time believing those dogs arent on tredmills and pulling huge things behind them daily.
Ok lets talk about the dogs who are pictured here. Everyone of them are pulling like they were conditioned to do so. Nothing wrong with rigorous exercise. My dogs get a good heavy exercise during training from time to time. They have nice muscle tone because of the exercise they get and often get called too thin. I know they are not too thin because I know about what type of dogs I have and what they do to get them where they are. But I will never say the lay in the house all day and get in shape from eating
Something is fishy here.
???? Could you give us what entails the sport you do? I am not familiar as to what it takes to do that sport.
still no answer to the exercise??
I over looked this statement sorry
I was wrongNo answer
Your answer to blues q
Now ok I have some athletic dogs. Not one of them are as near as muscled as some of the pics here. They get lots of exercise too. Granted they are not Pits but they do come from lines who have nice builds. So do they. If they werent exercised they would have no build. No dog would. Genetics surely cannot be the only factor in how ripped these dogs are. JMO
The three pits you posted on page 5 at the bottom are more balanced as far as muscle tone to body ratio.
Eating is a form of exercise? Come on now these dogs have to be exercised to build muscle its a fact. I have a hard time believing those dogs arent on tredmills and pulling huge things behind them daily.
Ok lets talk about the dogs who are pictured here. Everyone of them are pulling like they were conditioned to do so. Nothing wrong with rigorous exercise. My dogs get a good heavy exercise during training from time to time. They have nice muscle tone because of the exercise they get and often get called too thin. I know they are not too thin because I know about what type of dogs I have and what they do to get them where they are. But I will never say the lay in the house all day and get in shape from eating
Something is fishy here.
Since I have been following this post over the past few days, I would like to say that it seems that some are still not convinced that Lil' Bit could ever look like that naturally and that simply isn't true.
Here is another example of a young non-worked dog that simply has the genetic pre-disposition to stay fit and trim. The pup in this pic was only 9 mths old at the time of the photo and had never done anything more than play with ourselves and our children in the yard and walk on a leash in and out of the show ring, (where she places quite higly because of her structure and build).
There are simply many differences in the breeds that each of us chooses to own and until we educate ourselves on others breed of choice we need to simply sit back listen, ask questions, and not judge what we do not know.
Here is another example of a young non-worked dog that simply has the genetic pre-disposition to stay fit and trim. The pup in this pic was only 9 mths old at the time of the photo and had never done anything more than play with ourselves and our children in the yard and walk on a leash in and out of the show ring, (where she places quite higly because of her structure and build).
There are simply many differences in the breeds that each of us chooses to own and until we educate ourselves on others breed of choice we need to simply sit back listen, ask questions, and not judge what we do not know.
Ok now were talking ...The dog gets regular walks!! Thats is a form of exercise besides eating
BTW nice looking dog
Momof7, are you talking to me?
First off, there is no such thing. The term "pit bull" is actually a generic term that is used to include several different breeds: American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Bull Terrier, & American Bulldog. It is also used to refer to a mix of any of the aforementioned breeds.
If so, I plainly stated that HD was on the rise in "pit bulls" due to unethical breeding by bybs and/or peddlers & because of the blatant outcrosses to other breeds.
Also, I'm a cert. vet tech. I have done x-rays on several of my dogs hips, but instead of having them OFA'd, I had every one of our 8 vets verify their stability. I don't need to pay someone else to do that. Also, if I'm not breeding, why should I give money to someone so they can tell me what I already know? As for other people, it's up to them. And I can pretty much tell you that most of those "APBTs" in the OFA database are from bloodlines that have experienced the most crappiest of breeding practices therefore I'm not surprised. And yes I know how to look at that database.
If you took it that way, then there's nothing I can do. In fact, I am very passionate about this breed & about my dogs & always type with a lot of emotion. However, this is the internet & you cannot hear me....all you can do is read type. Unfortunately, many statements are misconstrued because everyone reads it in a different manner.
First off, there is no such thing. The term "pit bull" is actually a generic term that is used to include several different breeds: American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Bull Terrier, & American Bulldog. It is also used to refer to a mix of any of the aforementioned breeds.
If so, I plainly stated that HD was on the rise in "pit bulls" due to unethical breeding by bybs and/or peddlers & because of the blatant outcrosses to other breeds.
Also, I'm a cert. vet tech. I have done x-rays on several of my dogs hips, but instead of having them OFA'd, I had every one of our 8 vets verify their stability. I don't need to pay someone else to do that. Also, if I'm not breeding, why should I give money to someone so they can tell me what I already know? As for other people, it's up to them. And I can pretty much tell you that most of those "APBTs" in the OFA database are from bloodlines that have experienced the most crappiest of breeding practices therefore I'm not surprised. And yes I know how to look at that database.
If you took it that way, then there's nothing I can do. In fact, I am very passionate about this breed & about my dogs & always type with a lot of emotion. However, this is the internet & you cannot hear me....all you can do is read type. Unfortunately, many statements are misconstrued because everyone reads it in a different manner.
If you all want to continue to call all of us liars because of your own egos & ignorance, go right ahead. But quit bitching & complaining that we didn't answer the question b/c it was answered a thousand times!!! We are doing our best to patiently answer questions & it seems y'all are trying to bait us into saying we're all drug addicts who fight dogs & guess what, you couldn't be further from the truth.
And yes, genetics plays a HUGE role in the build of a dog. Since you don't own APBTs, I'm not sure how you can be an expert on how they are built & what they are & aren't supposed to look like. To the general public, this is a pit bull:
And yes, genetics plays a HUGE role in the build of a dog. Since you don't own APBTs, I'm not sure how you can be an expert on how they are built & what they are & aren't supposed to look like. To the general public, this is a pit bull:
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