some gun statistics:
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It won't kill the attacker, but it may enrage them to the point where they will kill you just by beating you to death.
I'd rather just flat out kill/neutralize my attacker. Why take the chance? He put his life up for forfeit the moment he decided to do harm unto another for his own gain.
Edit: Or her gain, whichever.
I'd rather just flat out kill/neutralize my attacker. Why take the chance? He put his life up for forfeit the moment he decided to do harm unto another for his own gain.
Edit: Or her gain, whichever.
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see, the thing is, even if i was being attacked, i wouldn't want to use a gun against my attacker. i might punch them, i might grab a rock and hit them with it. if i had a gun, i *might* point it at them as a threat. But i wouldn't shoot them. Because i'd rather die than live knowing i took someone else's life.
Also saying GlassOnions post was perfect. Why care about the life of someone who wants to hurt you.
Though I would agree with Dekka mace is a pretty good deterrent and you don't have to be as close to your attaker to use it. Obviously a gun is best but for most women I'd say mace is a better then a knife. I carry both on long hikes. Milos_mommy I'm not making assumptions here. But have you ever really fought a man, not play fighting but seriously went at it. The difference is strengths is absurd. Of course knowing self defense is great and highly useful but I'd rather stack the odds in my favor.
Though I would agree with Dekka mace is a pretty good deterrent and you don't have to be as close to your attaker to use it. Obviously a gun is best but for most women I'd say mace is a better then a knife. I carry both on long hikes. Milos_mommy I'm not making assumptions here. But have you ever really fought a man, not play fighting but seriously went at it. The difference is strengths is absurd. Of course knowing self defense is great and highly useful but I'd rather stack the odds in my favor.
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Nope.
Have you ever seen the look on someone's face when they had a gun pointed at them? Have you ever had to listen to someone tell you their father/brother/girlfriend/child was just shot and killed? Have you ever known a 7 year old who accidentally shot their little brother? Have you ever seen someone drop dead from gunfire, totally unexpectedly?
maybe you have. ( i mean you as in anyone who is pro-gun). but i find it very hard to believe anyone could witness gun crimes and violence and ACCIDENTS first hand, and still think it's okay for people to carry guns around.
Also, those of you who say you've taught your children gun safety, etc....they are CHILDREN. i'm not saying that it's wrong to let your child hunt or practice using a gun. But once that's over, if you don't lock up your weapon, and i don't give a **** who i offend by saying this, you are a bad parent. you are NOT considing your child's safety. You can tell your ten year old not to eat cookies before dinner, but if you step out of the room, they'll do it anyway. you can drill the fact that guns kill into your kids heads, but when your 14 year old daughter starts getting teased and gets into a fight with her best friend and gets dumped by the boy she likes, there is a chance she's going to put that gun to her head just to see what it feels like. Or when your nine year old has a friend over that has never ever seen a gun before, and they pick it up and start playing with it, and your kid says "put that down", if you think they're going to listen, then you are crazy.
Have you ever seen the look on someone's face when they had a gun pointed at them? Have you ever had to listen to someone tell you their father/brother/girlfriend/child was just shot and killed? Have you ever known a 7 year old who accidentally shot their little brother? Have you ever seen someone drop dead from gunfire, totally unexpectedly?
maybe you have. ( i mean you as in anyone who is pro-gun). but i find it very hard to believe anyone could witness gun crimes and violence and ACCIDENTS first hand, and still think it's okay for people to carry guns around.
Also, those of you who say you've taught your children gun safety, etc....they are CHILDREN. i'm not saying that it's wrong to let your child hunt or practice using a gun. But once that's over, if you don't lock up your weapon, and i don't give a **** who i offend by saying this, you are a bad parent. you are NOT considing your child's safety. You can tell your ten year old not to eat cookies before dinner, but if you step out of the room, they'll do it anyway. you can drill the fact that guns kill into your kids heads, but when your 14 year old daughter starts getting teased and gets into a fight with her best friend and gets dumped by the boy she likes, there is a chance she's going to put that gun to her head just to see what it feels like. Or when your nine year old has a friend over that has never ever seen a gun before, and they pick it up and start playing with it, and your kid says "put that down", if you think they're going to listen, then you are crazy.
And I say that I have no comprehension of how people can witness violence and choose to not have a tool that gives them the ability to protect themselves and the people they care about. If you actually see how bad it can get how can you not want something that would give you an edge against the violent jerks that unfortunately populate this world.
The issue of children and guns is an hard one to me. And since I need to go on a run I'll come back and respond to that after I can think about it more.
The issue of children and guns is an hard one to me. And since I need to go on a run I'll come back and respond to that after I can think about it more.
+1
I remember a long time ago my friend and I were sitting around. Suddenly he goes "Oh dude, my brother just got a sweet ass new gun (paraphrasing), wanna see?" so of course, being a 12 year old, I did. So we go into his brothers room, get the gun out, check the safety, it's on. Check the magazine, none loaded. Check the chamber, empty. Begin admiration of the Colt .45 which was bigger than our head (more or less).
Gun accidents do occur, sure. So do car accidents, cooking accidents, construction accidents, etc. I once witnessed an electrical accident burn my aunts house to the ground (actually it just burned everything within, left the shell though). Should I fear electricity?
With proper education, the children will know what to avoid and what to check. Had we never been informed about guns we very well could have gone "AWESOME A GUN!" and just picked it up and started messing with it right away. But knowing what to look for to make sure it was safe to admire, that was key, and thus both of us are still gun accident free to this day.
I remember a long time ago my friend and I were sitting around. Suddenly he goes "Oh dude, my brother just got a sweet ass new gun (paraphrasing), wanna see?" so of course, being a 12 year old, I did. So we go into his brothers room, get the gun out, check the safety, it's on. Check the magazine, none loaded. Check the chamber, empty. Begin admiration of the Colt .45 which was bigger than our head (more or less).
Gun accidents do occur, sure. So do car accidents, cooking accidents, construction accidents, etc. I once witnessed an electrical accident burn my aunts house to the ground (actually it just burned everything within, left the shell though). Should I fear electricity?
With proper education, the children will know what to avoid and what to check. Had we never been informed about guns we very well could have gone "AWESOME A GUN!" and just picked it up and started messing with it right away. But knowing what to look for to make sure it was safe to admire, that was key, and thus both of us are still gun accident free to this day.
This is what drives me crazy about the anti-gun crowd.
How does it make you feel safer that the law abiding cannot obtain certain weapons? The criminals certainly can get them, easily. I'd bet you that in a big Canadian city, I could get my hands on a pistol in a matter of hours....
Yes, I know the common arguement is "they come from the US". BFD... The point is the CRIMINALS can get them and YOU can't.
How does it make you feel safer that the law abiding cannot obtain certain weapons? The criminals certainly can get them, easily. I'd bet you that in a big Canadian city, I could get my hands on a pistol in a matter of hours....
Yes, I know the common arguement is "they come from the US". BFD... The point is the CRIMINALS can get them and YOU can't.
Easy to say... But it is obvious you have never been in a life threatening situation.
Trust me. It is very easy to do when it is your a$$ on the line. When they are trying to kill you, it is easy to return the favor.
I have killed people before, all in the line of duty. Does that change your opinion of me?
EDIT - Do you have children? Do you plan to? Would you really rather die than deprive your parents of their honest, law abiding child? Deny your children their mother?
That is a very telling statement you made. Almost shameful that you value your life so little that you are not willing to fight for it.
I can't figure out a load that wont go through the paper thin apartment walls.
There is something to be said about not escalating a situation, which does make guns a potential liability in many situations. If a burglar has a gun, and I exit my bedroom with a gun, I may get shot. BUT, I might get shot if I was carrying a pocket knife, or trying to access the kitchen for a pan.
Very few criminals use those AK47/M16 type guns for crime, yes they shoot fast, but they are not concealable. Around here the problem is illegal handguns. The gangs (there are a few) are not carrying legal guns. England banned handguns, I don't remember their murder rate going down all that much.
There is something to be said about not escalating a situation, which does make guns a potential liability in many situations. If a burglar has a gun, and I exit my bedroom with a gun, I may get shot. BUT, I might get shot if I was carrying a pocket knife, or trying to access the kitchen for a pan.
Very few criminals use those AK47/M16 type guns for crime, yes they shoot fast, but they are not concealable. Around here the problem is illegal handguns. The gangs (there are a few) are not carrying legal guns. England banned handguns, I don't remember their murder rate going down all that much.
2.5 inch #7 birdshot. Or even better a light trap ONLY load. That is what I use in my home defence shotgun.
Next question. LOL
That is why it is key to keep your cool. THINK. If you do not have the element of surprise, it would be best to just wait them out... Unless they force the issue somehow.
Also, go around corners as far back from them and as low as possible, muzzle of your weapon pointing up. Do NOT hug the walls, give a little space. Also, when navigating corners, ensure the muzzle of your weapon comes around the corner before YOU do. This is much easier to do with a shotgun, which is why I recommend them over a pistol for home defence.
(Puck taught CQB classes in the Army.... LOL)
So from the gun death statistic quotes I gather that like 50% were suicides and 40% were homicides. Say you make guns much harder to obtain. How would this lower those rates. If someone really wants to kill themselves their going to do it and their are many ways to commit suicide. And of the homicides I'd really like to know how many of the guns used in those murders were obtained illegally
hmmm...guess I'm not moving to your neighborhood anytime soon!
I guess I don't see the point other than to feel like a bad@ss. Why would a civilian ever need that type of gun? If it ever got stolen then that's one incredibly powerful weapon you just stuck in some horrible person's hands......not worth it in my opinion. If you're going to have a gun to protect yourself, you should be a good enough shot where you don't need a gun like that. But then again, I don't think most people get those types of weapons for protection. I think they get them for the image. (which is exactly why my 23 year old older brother would love to have one if he had the money) That's not a good enough reason to me.
I guess I don't see the point other than to feel like a bad@ss. Why would a civilian ever need that type of gun? If it ever got stolen then that's one incredibly powerful weapon you just stuck in some horrible person's hands......not worth it in my opinion. If you're going to have a gun to protect yourself, you should be a good enough shot where you don't need a gun like that. But then again, I don't think most people get those types of weapons for protection. I think they get them for the image. (which is exactly why my 23 year old older brother would love to have one if he had the money) That's not a good enough reason to me.
A decent AK clone costs awhole lot less then a decent handgun does. Others actualy build their own AKs from parts kits by making thier own recievers. Plus AKs are just fun to go down to the range and shoot a few hundred rounds at AOL CDs. I can shoot over 500 rounds with out having to reload a single magazine.
I think if the whole stigma of firearms was scaled back by actually educating people instead of using fear tactics about them we would all be better off.
For the anti firearm people here, have you ever taken a firearm safety course?
I think if the whole stigma of firearms was scaled back by actually educating people instead of using fear tactics about them we would all be better off.
For the anti firearm people here, have you ever taken a firearm safety course?
I didn't grow up in a house with guns. I am not comfortable in the house with guns. I don't let Kevin keep his guns in our home with our children now. And by "not let" I mean it as He KNOWS how I feel about it, and he keeps them at his father's house out of courtesy to me. At some point those guns WILL be in our home.
Am I against other's rights to own and keep them? NOPE, not in the least. I would speak out, vote, fight to keep that right intact.
And as to an attackers life over MINE or a loved one, hell........even a stranger's if I could help, there is NO question in my mind as to what THAT answer would be. If an attacker has total disregard for human life, then he won't mind a bit to lose his/hers.....at least that is the way I see it. Gun, knife, blunt object, aid from my dog..........whatever was available to me would be used.
I do sleep with my dog in the room and a good sized knife in my night stand
Am I against other's rights to own and keep them? NOPE, not in the least. I would speak out, vote, fight to keep that right intact.
And as to an attackers life over MINE or a loved one, hell........even a stranger's if I could help, there is NO question in my mind as to what THAT answer would be. If an attacker has total disregard for human life, then he won't mind a bit to lose his/hers.....at least that is the way I see it. Gun, knife, blunt object, aid from my dog..........whatever was available to me would be used.
I do sleep with my dog in the room and a good sized knife in my night stand
