San Francisco's new pet law
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Exactly ^^^ everyone thought there was no way they could ban A breed or kind of breeds and they have, and thats just ONE example. There are many LITTLE bans that turned into something bigger and it continues to happen.
Now instead of just dangerous DOGS we have dangerous BREEDS that are banned before they even deem them selves dangerous.
went from a seemingly innocent ban (dangerous dogs that prove they are dangerous, to BREEDS that MIGHT be dangerous)
Thats not even including the places that took it a step further and banned anything over a certain SIZE in a entire city.
Now instead of just dangerous DOGS we have dangerous BREEDS that are banned before they even deem them selves dangerous.
went from a seemingly innocent ban (dangerous dogs that prove they are dangerous, to BREEDS that MIGHT be dangerous)
Thats not even including the places that took it a step further and banned anything over a certain SIZE in a entire city.
so you don't think there is a large group of people in this country that want the pet population severely controlled? no PETA's, no HSUS's, no ALF's? You don't think these org's back and lobby for these types of bills all the time? and throw their support behind which ever municipality, city, state, etc proposes tighter restrictions? You don't think each time they're successful, they get a little closer to their goals?
and even if there weren't those groups, I still don't want legislators or people that have no business in my life telling me where I can get my dogs, who I can buy from, what kind I can get or what I can do with them.
and even if there weren't those groups, I still don't want legislators or people that have no business in my life telling me where I can get my dogs, who I can buy from, what kind I can get or what I can do with them.
I guess that's where we differ. I've seen the ugly side of things waaaaay too many times to not want legislation preventing as much of it as possible.
Someone's probably going to throw that Ben Franklin quote again (I don't really think it applies here), but if a law prevents the suffering of even a small number of animals, then I don't care if it somehow restricts my ability to own a pet. A pet is a privilege, not a right, in my opinion.
Someone's probably going to throw that Ben Franklin quote again (I don't really think it applies here), but if a law prevents the suffering of even a small number of animals, then I don't care if it somehow restricts my ability to own a pet. A pet is a privilege, not a right, in my opinion.
If you look at history, this very thing IS what leads to tyrany. If people want that kind of intrusion from their government, they ought to live in a country with a history of that kind of tolerance. America is NOT the place, was never the place, was never intended by the drafters of our constitution....to be handed over to the government to run. The governement was designed to do a certain, select, minimal duties. Having the government officials regulate every aspect of our lives is NOT what America was destined to be. Sadly, because of tolerance, it is becoming an over-regulated, over-taxed country where freedoms are going down the drain fast and our freedom to pursue happiness is being stripped as the government strips our standard of living away along with our rights.
If the laws already in place and education by private citizens don't stop dogs from being sold in pet stores, then I say, "Too bad." It's a bummer, but I care more about freedom than anything because without freedom, you have nothing but an empty shell and those doggies that aren't in pet stores will lose their meaning.
If the laws already in place and education by private citizens don't stop dogs from being sold in pet stores, then I say, "Too bad." It's a bummer, but I care more about freedom than anything because without freedom, you have nothing but an empty shell and those doggies that aren't in pet stores will lose their meaning.
I think it will be very interesting to see how this law/bill unfolds..
on a smaller note. hamster was the worst pet I ever had lol but my parents don't do the whole
"Oh you don't like mr ham ham so you don't have to keep him"
its called RESPONSIBILITY.. jeez. sure taught me to think twice before convincing grandma to buy me a pet! lol
on a smaller note. hamster was the worst pet I ever had lol but my parents don't do the whole
"Oh you don't like mr ham ham so you don't have to keep him"
its called RESPONSIBILITY.. jeez. sure taught me to think twice before convincing grandma to buy me a pet! lol
Well, I am not a peta, hsus, etc follower.... however, I am for animal welfare. Puppy mills harbor dogs in terrible, cruel conditions... if we can put a stop on that, I don't see that in the same league as BSL or, gasp, leading to tyranny.
Why should we enforce animal cruelty cases then? A person should be able to do with their property what they want, right?
Why should we enforce animal cruelty cases then? A person should be able to do with their property what they want, right?
I don't think it's the best way either. In an ideal world we wouldn't need DUI checkpoints, we wouldn't need prisons, and we wouldn't need laws like this.
But puppy mills will never, never fail, it doesn't matter how much picketing and demonstrating one does. People see the cute little dog they want *right now* and they will walk in their and buy it. I mean, if we have people on here who know better, still buy puppies from BYBs because they need to get rescued, too, then how can I expect the uneducated pet owner to ever know any better, and yet, even if they know better, to act on it??
But puppy mills will never, never fail, it doesn't matter how much picketing and demonstrating one does. People see the cute little dog they want *right now* and they will walk in their and buy it. I mean, if we have people on here who know better, still buy puppies from BYBs because they need to get rescued, too, then how can I expect the uneducated pet owner to ever know any better, and yet, even if they know better, to act on it??
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Here's the interview I heard about it. Starts about 24 minutes in. No worries. It's a fast load.
Here's the interview I heard about it. Starts about 24 minutes in. No worries. It's a fast load.
So... we should prosecute people who exercise the freedom to do with their own property on their own land whatever they want... yet, we should enable abuse of dogs from puppy millers so people have the freedom to buy their dog wherever they want? I am sorry, I just don't get that logic. If you are all about freedom no matter what, then give animal abusers a free get-out-of-jail-card, too.
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I THINK it only includes puppies and kittens. They are saying they are thinking about it because it influences impulse buys, then a couple of months later these animals end up in shelters. I never heard mention of byb's or puppymills suppling any of the animals, but that was my first thaught. A few callers called in and mentioned it though.
If we leave the word "Dog" out of the equation, it gets rid of quite a bit of the emotion this ban/law invokes.........so lets do that for a moment. Let's replace the word "Dog" with some other LEGAL thing shall we? Say like........Bottled water.
So they are attempting to pass a law banning store owners to sell bottled water. The plastic bottles are bad for the environment, and not EVERYONE recycles. If we could educate and get EVERYONE to recycle the problem would be solved, but alas that is not going to happen so we take away the right for store owners to SELL bottled water, a perfectly LEGAL item to buy and sell........problem solved.
No, that is not how it is supposed to go down. If we OUTLAW bottled water, then it is fine and dandy to prohibit the sale of bottled water...........unless and until THAT happens, I can and should be able to sell bottled water all day long if that's my choice. If I am against bottled water, I don't have to sell it in my store. Period. The end.
All that said, I am against puppy mills and pet stores selling puppies to whoever walks in with cash..........but it IS NOT RIGHT FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO TELL STORE OWNERS WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT SELL AS LONG AS IT IS A LEGAL ITEM TO BUY OR OWN.
So they are attempting to pass a law banning store owners to sell bottled water. The plastic bottles are bad for the environment, and not EVERYONE recycles. If we could educate and get EVERYONE to recycle the problem would be solved, but alas that is not going to happen so we take away the right for store owners to SELL bottled water, a perfectly LEGAL item to buy and sell........problem solved.
No, that is not how it is supposed to go down. If we OUTLAW bottled water, then it is fine and dandy to prohibit the sale of bottled water...........unless and until THAT happens, I can and should be able to sell bottled water all day long if that's my choice. If I am against bottled water, I don't have to sell it in my store. Period. The end.
All that said, I am against puppy mills and pet stores selling puppies to whoever walks in with cash..........but it IS NOT RIGHT FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO TELL STORE OWNERS WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT SELL AS LONG AS IT IS A LEGAL ITEM TO BUY OR OWN.