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San Francisco's new pet law
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as much as I don't like it, I think it's a bad law overall. Why is society so **** eager to let legislatures dictate your lives? You realize they just made it ok to BAN something that is perfectly legal.
maybe some actual meaningful regulations or actual inspections and such would be a good start, but a ban?
maybe some actual meaningful regulations or actual inspections and such would be a good start, but a ban?
you have NO IDEA how many people seem to not care about giving up their rights. seriously.
I absolutely HATE the idea of passing laws banning/resticting things. HATE IT! Why can't we just enforce the laws we already have and educate people.
I also don't like when things are taxed heavily... like the new federal 10% tax on indoor tanning salons. We pay federal and state income tax, we pay state sales tax, we pay federal and state taxes on certain items already(ie gas), we pay import tax, we pay tax on luxury items... I can probably keep going all day. How many different ways can you find to squish money out of us? and not that many seem to care. Heck, they wanted to tax radio not to long ago(no idea what's going on with that).
I absolutely HATE the idea of passing laws banning/resticting things. HATE IT! Why can't we just enforce the laws we already have and educate people.
I also don't like when things are taxed heavily... like the new federal 10% tax on indoor tanning salons. We pay federal and state income tax, we pay state sales tax, we pay federal and state taxes on certain items already(ie gas), we pay import tax, we pay tax on luxury items... I can probably keep going all day. How many different ways can you find to squish money out of us? and not that many seem to care. Heck, they wanted to tax radio not to long ago(no idea what's going on with that).
I agree with RTH. I think if animals are abused, neglected, harmed in any way, there should be hell to pay. But to outlaw a private business from conducting their business just shouldn't be the business of the politicians...not in a free society anyhow...maybe a socialistic, communistic or marxist society, yes. But not in America!!!
i see absolutely nothing wrong with banning the sale of dogs in pet shops. owning a dog is nowhere near the same as owning something like a hamster or gerbil. we all know where they come from, and we all know that pet stores do not act as responsible breeders, doing checks, etc.
if you are buying a dog from a pet store, i see no reason why you cant afford to adopt one or buy from a reputable breeder instead, especially considering the prices that are out there for just a plain old mutt that you will find dozens of in your local humane society.
in this case, nope, doesnt bother me that businesses will be affected. i would rather that be the option than having sick animals, or animals going to homes no one has checked out whatsoever, etc.
i assume there will be, however, a way to still get food for reptiles such as live mice/rats, somehow. if not, that should be taken into account.
if you are buying a dog from a pet store, i see no reason why you cant afford to adopt one or buy from a reputable breeder instead, especially considering the prices that are out there for just a plain old mutt that you will find dozens of in your local humane society.
in this case, nope, doesnt bother me that businesses will be affected. i would rather that be the option than having sick animals, or animals going to homes no one has checked out whatsoever, etc.
i assume there will be, however, a way to still get food for reptiles such as live mice/rats, somehow. if not, that should be taken into account.
I don't like it that dogs are sold in pet shops because it promotes the support of puppy mills and back yard crappy breeders. I don't like it one bit. But I like my freedom more than I dislike dogs being sold in pet stores. When people allow a government to regulate them in their every day lives and business to the extent that people are allowing it, they have free reign to impose more and more regulations and laws onto the people. Freedoms erode until there is very little freedom anymore. It's happened many times over in other places and it will happen here in America if people don't stop to think what they're doing when they keep leaning on the government to "fix" everything.
Pickett pet stores, make flyers, write up educational stuff in the opinion page of your newspapers. Make educational seminars or speeches where the public can be persuaded to stop supporting pet stores that sell puppies.
When you give up your freedom in trade for the false sense of "safety" by letting the governing powers over regulate,private entities, this is what historically has created tyrany.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin
Pickett pet stores, make flyers, write up educational stuff in the opinion page of your newspapers. Make educational seminars or speeches where the public can be persuaded to stop supporting pet stores that sell puppies.
When you give up your freedom in trade for the false sense of "safety" by letting the governing powers over regulate,private entities, this is what historically has created tyrany.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin
why stop at a pet shop ravennr? why let the ban stop there? What about the walmart puppy sellers? ban them too? how about the news paper classifieds? Ban? or the internet? Ban of sales if you don't live in the same state as the breeder? how about ban if not from the same town? can't buy from too far away, they can't check you then. How about a ban from a breeder that breeds 5 litters or more per year? What if that breeder is supplying an assistance dog program? or PD?
how about 2 litters per year, ban those guys from selling dogs. What's to stop the mills from simply registering litters with other "ghost" owners to circumvent that law?
It's simple, enforce the laws we have. Inspect the mills and make sure the dogs are healthy. We already have those laws. Bans are rediculous. how can you Ban something that is perfectly legal, or should we not be able to buy dogs? I certainly don't want any legislator or any joe schmoe telling me where I can get my dogs from, what kind I can have, or what I can do with them.
how about 2 litters per year, ban those guys from selling dogs. What's to stop the mills from simply registering litters with other "ghost" owners to circumvent that law?
It's simple, enforce the laws we have. Inspect the mills and make sure the dogs are healthy. We already have those laws. Bans are rediculous. how can you Ban something that is perfectly legal, or should we not be able to buy dogs? I certainly don't want any legislator or any joe schmoe telling me where I can get my dogs from, what kind I can have, or what I can do with them.
unfortunately, you can try your best to educate people, but it isnt going to solve people who dont want to be educated, or simply do not care.
there are plenty of pet stores that do not sell live animals and arent falling under, and plenty of other places to get dogs. that being said, i cannot see, in the case of dogs alone, how this is a bad thing. a business making their money, legal or not, by means of lying, and irresponsibility, needs to be held accountable. and i do not see any pet stores out there that sell dogs that either dont lie about their origins (or withhold them from you completely) or that do any sort of check on the person buying them.
i hardly see this as a denial of freedom and i find that taking it way over the top of overreacting. jmo though.
there are plenty of pet stores that do not sell live animals and arent falling under, and plenty of other places to get dogs. that being said, i cannot see, in the case of dogs alone, how this is a bad thing. a business making their money, legal or not, by means of lying, and irresponsibility, needs to be held accountable. and i do not see any pet stores out there that sell dogs that either dont lie about their origins (or withhold them from you completely) or that do any sort of check on the person buying them.
i hardly see this as a denial of freedom and i find that taking it way over the top of overreacting. jmo though.
I heard an interview on this last week. The major reason behind the drafting of this law is to reduce (I kid you not) the number of hamsters being turned in at the San Fran Humane Society. Apparently people buy cute little hair ball without realizing that many newly purchased inbred petstore hamsters have a craving for man flesh ( I hate hamsters.) and chomp a couple fingers which make them much less cute. Pet store doesn't want the wonder hamster, owner doesn't want the wonder hamster, and apparently no one knows a snake owner so the humane society gets the hamster.
Then in their infinite wisdom they decide to draft legislation which sweeps up everyone in the process. Yay! for government over reaction. I know a couple python breeders who could solve the entire hamster over population problem all by themselves.
Then in their infinite wisdom they decide to draft legislation which sweeps up everyone in the process. Yay! for government over reaction. I know a couple python breeders who could solve the entire hamster over population problem all by themselves.
