Saarloos wolfhound

poeluvr

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o yea so i think you would be in elementary which is bellow highschool, in canada we say university or college
o wait! but you seem to old to be in elementary school is for ages 4-14. i am 16, highschool is for ages 15-18 and university is after that in canada
 

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Then it's not elementary school. I'm 21. Danish and Americans must be using a totally different school pattern.

We have a normal school we call folkeskole. thats for about 8-17 year old's, and after that, you can go to an education, or you can go to a school for two years on a higher level than folkeskole. Thats the school I'm doing in now. I know I'm late at it, but I was trying so many other options in the meantime. Then after that, you qualify for university.
 

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Thanks. You learn English in folkeskole. But everybody mostly learn english from TV ;) . It's natural her to be able to speak a little English at an early age I think. I'm not sure though. I had a good sister for that job :)

Heh. But I see I'm still doing some misspellings.
 

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I want a wolfdog. If I can't have that, then I don't know what to choose. I want something that looks like a wolf. And I love howling! But I can't find any northern breed that has the character that I want. The only wolf-like dogs I know has those traits, are wolfdogs. I really like a Siberian Husky, but I want a dog that wont run away when not having a leash with us. That eliminates the Husky choice. And I want a dog that makes me feel that he and I has a special relationship. Thats why I like the "shy" character of a wolfdog. So Retrievers and alike is out of the question. So is Husky and Malamute. Then what choice do I have?
 

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also though wolfdogs can be aggresive and more independant minded what about a malamute, if my ppics dont work go to google then images then malamute, i dont know if you have them in denmark so...
 

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I remember when I helped in an animal home for a day, and there was a Siberian Husky. I fell in love with it instantly. But I have both heard that they wont be good to watch over you and protect you (I don't really need that anyway), and that they will run away from you when not walking with leash. And staying with me even without a leash is something that I find a must.
 

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Oh yeah. I have read that it's not a oneman dog. Like I said, I want to feel that him and I has a special relationship. I'm not sure if the Husky is any better on that part.
 

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what does oneman mean?
i dont know if a wolf hound would be good if your want him to be affectionate ..i think a malamute is good though, but there are many different types of dogs.
 
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well, huskies are not protective, they might bark at an intruder but once the bad guy gets up close most huskies will be friendly. they also like to roam. I know of a lot of people with malamutes that are protective, and they are not near as bad about roaming as huskies, though they do like to roam. but then again so will a wolf or wolf dog. just think of it this way...wild wolves have a territory of hundreds of miles, and they are constantly travelling around their territory, hunting and enforcing their boundaries. northern breeds such as huskies and malamutes were bred to travel long distances, and were bred by people who didnt stay in one place all year long, nomads. this is part of their instinct now, like terriers like to dig because they were bred to, shepherds and collies like to herd because they were bred to, etc. even a wolf that is half dog is going to have the instinct to roam. in some wolf dogs this is diluted, usuaully in a low content wolf dog, especially when the dog part is german shepherd. and very very few wolf dogs are protective, at most they might be a watchdog (bark to alert you that there is an intruder, or just watch the bad guy steal everything out of your house). the cases of wolf dogs biting people are almost always one of these two: the dog was mis-treated, neglected or beaten and became afraid of its own shadow and someone got too close. or...the dog was not properly trained, enclosed, and/or supervised and mistook a person (usually a child since they like to run, fall down, scream, etc) as prey behaviour and their hunting instinct kicked in. this could and does happen with purebred dogs quite often, no matter what breed or size dog you have it should always be supervised when interacting with strangers or children, and when unsupervised should always be properly confined to keep both the dog safe and other people safe.
I must have missed it earlier when you said you were from europe wolfdoggy, to be honest I dont have any idea if wolf dogs are permitted where you live. I have a friend in germany, and another in belgium and they have both said that where they live wolf dogs are illegal, but they dont know other countries laws, and said it may only be certain areas of those 2 countries. the one in germany lives in berlin, friend in belgium lives in beringen. since you live there it actually might be easier to get a sarloos, I was assuming you lived in america when this topic began. if thats the way you decide to go I would do as much research on them as you can. from what I have heard they are not much more likely to be protective than malamutes and wolf dogs, but that may not be entirely true. have you ruled out german shepherds? if so can I ask why? personally I have found them to be the best companions possible. they are not exactly one man dogs, but they are cautious about accepting new people. they will protect you, and are much easier to train that a wolf dog, husky, or malamute. Im sure the german shepherd breeder I know in belgium would be happy to speak with you, and let you see his dogs.
 
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a one man dog is a dog that bonds to one person (or family) and is very difficult to rehome. it doesnt want to accept new members into the pack, at least not easily.
 

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Well I don't know that much about normal wolf hybrids. I do know much about Saarloos Wolfhound and Czechoslovakian Wolfdog from reading though.
I know that these two has many of the traits I want in a dog. Will never run away when walking without leash etc.

There are two known owners of wolfdogs in Denmark. There are of cause more, but not known by Dansk Kennel Klub. One of them has Czech and the other one has Saarloos. So the legal issues are of no problem.

The Saarloos will most likely not protect me, but the Czech will. Unlike the Saarloos, the Czech is a dog breed for Security and Military service and alike. That is a very nice thing, of cause. And I want my dog to be brave and dependable. But that last part is more meant as a buddy, and not a guard. I don't need protection. And I don't need a watchdog. But I need it to let me know of intruders, one way or the other. Both dogs will do that, I have read.

About why I haven't considered a German Shepherd. I have in fact. And that top gsh picture you showed did look Wolfy. When I have to be honest, I have always been more into things that separates from the majority. Also in dogs. I do realize thats not a healthy view on dogs. And the German Shepherd has some of that Retriever character, loving everyone friendly-looking. My sister has had two German Shepherds. I mean, a stranger who have been with the dog for 10 minutes, could make it obey his commands. That's not something I want in a dog.

I have doubts on getting a Saarloos, mostly because I have never had my own dog. But yet I know more about dogs and how to treat them, than almost every dog owner I have met, if not every single dog owner I have met.
 
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well, a sarloos or czech will not be more likely to not run off when not on a leash. neither will a german shepherd unless highly trained. and you are lucky to live in europe where there are a ton of top german shepherd bloodlines. if properly trained a gsd should not immediatly accept people, let alone obey commands from new people. I dont mean to steer you away from the sarloos or czech, Im certainly not an expert, Im just letting you know what the 2 people I know who breed them have said. and of course they both love their sarloos dogs to death and will never go back to a gsd. but they do admit that in many ways it is not easy. they are stubborn, intelligent but hard to train, deffinetly not guard dogs (dont know about czechs on that regard), and are slow to mature. they both told me this morning that none of their sarloos's would EVER guard them. and even though they both have professionally trained german shepherds, malinois, beaucerons, rottweilers, dobermans and others in schutzhund, for the police and military, for competitive obedience etc for more than 25 years, they wouldnt trust a single sarloos they have, or have ever had, to obey or even stick around when off leash. said they are shy of strangers, some of them to the point of cowering behind the owner and urinating.
 

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The Saarloos owners I have written with over mail, had told me that it would never run away when walking without leash, And almost all the pictures and the three recorded clips, I have seen with people taking their Saarloos out for a walk was without leash. But things may of cause be different from dog to dog.
 
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my guess would be that they were trained, they certainly are trainable, and it may be harder to train them as every breed has different training abilities, as do individual dogs. and I dont mean for it to sound like Im saying I know more than you, I havnt done any research. all I know is from emailing the 2 sarloos breeders I know of, to let you know what they say. I would just highly recommend since you are considering a sarloos, that you contact the breed registry for a list of ALL sarloos breeders, and contact them. even if you are not going to get one from them they will still answer your questions and help you decide.
 

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I think being able to walk-off leash is something started as a puppy as well. Rocky when I got him followed me EVERYWHERE. To this day, he never really leaves my side. I go outside when he wants to use the bathroom without a leash... he's never tried to leave me.
 

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Stirder, just to be sure you know it. I hope you don't think I'm trying to argue or be right in this or anything. I'm just trying to go into the detailes, debate, so I will understand it better.
 

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