yeah I understand, just had my wife read over it and she thought I might come off as trying to tell you you dont know anything. just wanted to clear it up because Im sure you know more about the sarloos than I do. like I said what little I know about this breed is second hand knowledge. the 2 breeders I know, know my knowledge and experience as far as training dogs so they say everything at that level. Im trying to break it down into easier to explain info. as far as the off leash part, one of them just emailed me back and said that the people saying they will walk off leash are either lying, or they mean with a lot of training. I dont know if thats true or not, could easily be true that they do it in a fenced yard or with no distractions. I would just recommend that you not expect any dog to just do it naturally, do a lot of obedience training with and without distractions, and then if you feel comfortable that it will obey you, take the leash off. as a puppy its not a big deal, they are cautious and cant go far anyway. but as an adult it could be risky if not trained.