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gaddylovesdogs · Sep 24, 2005

Well obviously she didn't reply to my question and obviously she isn't going to because she can't respond with a good answer - because she didn't do any testing!

Well I'm glad the puppies have homes, lets just hope those are good homes and both parents will be fixed so that no more puppies will be brought into this horrible world. The new owners of those puppies could have adopted a puppy instead of buying one from a BYB

yuckaduck · Sep 24, 2005

gaddylovesdogs said:

Just because she did not answer does not mean it was not done. I think she felt you were not justified in an answer and who could blame her?? It is none of your business. I am in shock at the higher than thou attitudes here!

gaddylovesdogs · Sep 24, 2005

If she were responsible, she wouldn't have avoided answering my question.

yuckaduck · Sep 24, 2005

gaddylovesdogs said:

Again were you buying a puppy from her? What business is it of yours? Or is it just to continue hounding her even after she has found homes for the pups? Seems like you just want to create more and more controversy. Right at all costs, give it up. Like Fran said, I have made up my mind and you ain't gonna change it. But then I took the time to PM Candy and without attacking her I found out the facts. I am satisified with her actions and really it is none of my business either. As far as I am now concerned this thread is dead and pointless, this is it for me, I ain't coming back to read anymore. The pups have been homed and that is the important thing. Have a good weekend!

Boxer*Mom · Sep 24, 2005

I think that a breeder should be open and up front, kind and good natured. After all this is who has been raising your pups. If they do not possess these characteristics, you need to find a more reputable breeder because this is NOT a breeder you can trust. I understand she doesn't have the female but they are friends, and she made the thread that she was selling them.

gaddylovesdogs · Sep 24, 2005

It's my business because two puppies in shelters have died because she bred her dog. Two innocent puppies who could have been saved died because she bred her dog.

We're all allowed to have our own opinions and if you want to support her, OK, whatever, but I don't want to and I don't have to, so don't get upset because I have my own opinion.

Fran27 · Sep 24, 2005

A breeder who has done all testings not wanting to justify to anyone the fact that she did testings. Funny, usually breeders are proud to tell everyone that their dogs are tested, as they should be.

Especially if they're trying to sell the puppies... No? So, um, I'm really not convinced.

Oh and by the way, it was never about convincing YOU Yuck. Everything isn't related to you. We were just trying to show Candy that what she did wasn't responsible. Obviously we failed because she doesn't care, but that's none of YOUR business either.

gaddylovesdogs · Sep 24, 2005

Fran27 said:

EXACTLY. That is what I meant. Reputable breeders would be telling you all about the testing they do and showing you proof.

candy722 · Sep 24, 2005

So your saying that a reputable breeder can guarantee your pups 100% healthy and it's never ever going to have ANY HEALTH DEFECTS because the sire and dam has been tested? Sorry that sounds very naive. You should ask a reputable breeder if that's true. I have asked and they don't guarantee. Only thing is guarantee is that they will reimburse any medical fees or exchange a pups. You should call a reputable breeder if they had any negative experiences, they will tell you.

candy722 · Sep 24, 2005

It is so obvious that you all want to hunt me down because you have no one else to blame. How would I be in it for the money when it's my friend's puppies? LIke I said I kept one, my friend kept one, and the 2 other puppies have found home to our other friends. You know franz, not everyone is like you and you have your own ways of doing things so do it. Don't expect others to do the same and stop manipulating people. Another thing, if you were the teenage girl who got pregnant would you want the dad to be responsible? Do you know how it is in the real world? Do you know how many irresponsible young dad there is? They wouldn't even admit it is there own kids. So admit it you just want to start something with me. If you really want to feel good about yourself and help out then you should open your newspaper to classified and call every dog breeder and put them in check.

yuckaduck · Sep 24, 2005

How do you know two puppies died because she bred her dog? I am sorry I said I was out of this and I PMed you because of this comment and I am even more concerned at the comments. If this truely is the way you see things then start calling every breeder of every dog because they cause the problems too.

gaddylovesdogs · Sep 24, 2005

yuckaduck said:

Because if the owners of her puppies hadn't bought a dog from her, they could've gone to a shelter and rescued dog

I never said that. And I never meant that. What I meant is that any reputable breeder does health tests, and will jump at the opportunity to show buyers proof.

Mordy · Sep 24, 2005

no, i didn't say that. i said that a reputable breeder will test their dogs to make sure they can eliminate unsuitable dogs from their breeding program, decreasing the chance for future puppies to be affected by one or more genetic disorders. they don't do this as much to satisfy future owners, but because they want to improve the breed.

but this is obviously nothing you care about. all you and your friend cared about when you bred these two dogs are selfish reasons. instead of a well researched, planned breeding that would have resulted in creating a generation of puppies with lower risks of developing disorders, you brought yet more back yard bred puppies into this world who do nothing to improve the breed, and if your friends who took these dogs are anything like you and your "breeder" friend, it's bound to happen again and again down the road.

the reason why i am pursuing this topic is that you, as a reader of this forum (and as i know, a few others as well) should have known better. we all are here because we love dogs, but it seems that some people are more concerned than others about animal welfare - and back yard breeding is something that certainly doesn't do [bleep] for animal welfare and pet overpopulation.

bambina · Sep 24, 2005

Hi everyone i am new to this forum, I will try to make this short and direct as possible.

I got bit upset at how some of you guys replied to the orginal poster Candy722. Fran27 I understand where you are coming from but there is other ways to express your pasion for shelter/rescue dogs, I agree that people should consider giving these poor dogs a 2nd chance at life instead of getting a new pup, but Candy722 did not ask "why am i a bad person because i want to find my pups a good home". If you are sick and tired of helping people please don't reply and lengthen the thread.

Candy722 is not selling or giving her pups to people knowing they will mistreat them or neglect them or even ultimately ending up in shelters, it is up to the buyers to take good care of them all she can do is screen the buyers.
i suggest that she gives all the negative and posative things they will deal with before she pockets the money.

I keep seeing you guys talk about testing testing and more TESTING. True Testing is good but by all means not acurete, just becuase your dog passed all test with flying colors does not mean they will not have any internal defects, however it can reduce the percentage. Take liver shunt for example one of the yorkies worst killers and it happends to be more common to this breed as well.

Just because they pass a liver shunt test does not mean that the bitch for the stud will produce livershunt free pups, it is a known fact they skip from generation to generation that gos for alot of genetic defects. how ever the pups should get a fecal test for high level of acid, and im sure Candy722 would of noticed any visual or physical problems prior to breeding, for some one who was saying something like proven well im not sure how many times candy722 has studded her dog but u can prove any dog with out trying i don't believe just because you pass a bunch of tests make you a proven studd. All in all it is up to mother nature.

Its not like she is breeding dogs that have any known defects. Basically im just saying if her dog and her friends dog are healthy purebreed had no serious health problems then i don't see any reason why they should not breed, as for some also talking about not bettering the breed a dogs looks and attitude is in the eye of the beholder so please don't put others down with out knowing their intensions.

Forums are here for ppal to learn and share there experince not to put others down for no reason and no proof. sure you can have your own thouhts and idea's but you can express them in a better manner.

yuckaduck · Sep 24, 2005

bambina said:

Hi everyone i am new to this forum, I will try to make this short and direct as possible.

I got bit upset at how some of you guys replied to the orginal poster Candy722. Fran27 I understand where you are coming from but there is other ways to express your pasion for shelter/rescue dogs, I agree that people should consider giving these poor dogs a 2nd chance at life instead of getting a new pup, but Candy722 did not ask "why am i a bad person because i want to find my pups a good home". If you are sick and tired of helping people please don't reply and lengthen the thread.

Candy722 is not selling or giving her pups to people knowing they will mistreat them or neglect them or even ultimately ending up in shelters, it is up to the buyers to take good care of them all she can do is screen the buyers.
i suggest that she gives all the negative and posative things they will deal with before she pockets the money.

I keep seeing you guys talk about testing testing and more TESTING. True Testing is good but by all means not acurete, just becuase your dog passed all test with flying colors does not mean they will not have any internal defects, however it can reduce the percentage. Take liver shunt for example one of the yorkies worst killers and it happends to be more common to this breed as well.

Just because they pass a liver shunt test does not mean that the bitch for the stud will produce livershunt free pups, it is a known fact they skip from generation to generation that gos for alot of genetic defects. how ever the pups should get a fecal test for high level of acid, and im sure Candy722 would of noticed any visual or physical problems prior to breeding, for some one who was saying something like proven well im not sure how many times candy722 has studded her dog but u can prove any dog with out trying i don't believe just because you pass a bunch of tests make you a proven studd. All in all it is up to mother nature.

Its not like she is breeding dogs that have any known defects. Basically im just saying if her dog and her friends dog are healthy purebreed had no serious health problems then i don't see any reason why they should not breed, as for some also talking about not bettering the breed a dogs looks and attitude is in the eye of the beholder so please don't put others down with out knowing their intensions.

Forums are here for ppal to learn and share there experince not to put others down for no reason and no proof. sure you can have your own thouhts and idea's but you can express them in a better manner.

Agreed 100% Welcome to chazhound as well!

Melissa_W · Sep 24, 2005

candy722 said:

No, I think people were trying to say that your dog shouldn't have been bred for those reasons.

To all the people trying to justify the breeding by saying that health tests don't 100% guarantee that the puppies will not have any health problems... I don't see the logic behind that argument. Is NOT testing somehow better? At least testing significantly decreases the risk.

I totally agree with Fran, Gaddy, and Mordy on this topic.

yuckaduck · Sep 24, 2005

Melissa_W said:

Personally I believe that the health tests are a must and very important. The thing is she never stated that she did not do tests, she just said they were not 100% reliable, which is true. But for me what health tests do catch I would be interested to see. When we get into breeding the xrays and health tests and temperment tests will be done and I will have the paperwork to prove that it is done. This is of course years in my future because I want to have a rescue set up first. I just do not agree with the bashing that has taken place here, and I firmly believe that the choice Candy made would not have changed no matter what we said here. She was simply looking for homes for her FRIENDS pups and she found them homes.

Melissa_W · Sep 24, 2005

candy722 said:

Yucka, I see what you are saying, but I think in the above quote she stated she did not test her dog and that he has no papers and is not show quality. Sooooo what WERE the reasons for breeding? I think the fact that it wasn't her dog that got pregnant is inconsequential. She contributed equally to the breeding.

I think that people are just trying to keep her (and people who are thinking about breeding who may be reading this) from breeding irresponsibly. I don't think anyone was trying to bash her just for the sake of being mean. That's just the way I see it though.

I'm not trying to change your mind, and you needn't agree with me. I'm just expressing my opinion.

Boxer*Mom · Sep 24, 2005

Right on Melissa.

yuckaduck · Sep 24, 2005

Everyone is entitled to there opinions and I have nothing against you just because I disagree. That is what makes this world interesting, would be very boring if everyone agreed and if everyone had the same thoughts. Just because we disagree does not mean we are fighting or anything, I still consider you a good friend Melissa.

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