All dogs can be aggressive with other dogs, and fighting breeds like the put bull have the physical ability to maim and kill another animal very quickly, much more than a Chihuahua or Poodle. It is wrong to call this a myth. I realize you're probably a younger poster, but please remember that few controversies are black and white.
Pitbulls and Other Dogs or Cats
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If I may just clarify this a bit not to get people confused. Amstaff or Staffadshire Pitbull Terrier Is recognized as a different breed than an American Pitbull Terrier,American pitbull Terriers are bred to fight or as many people say, bred for gameness. (Aggression toward other dogs) .Amstaffs are bred for dog shows (NOT FIGHTING), .An American Pitbull Terrier that is human aggressive is killed by competent breeders but that's a entirely different issue than dog aggression .Maybe we can touch on that later, But I need to mention it as it is one of the qualities of the American Pitbull Terrier to be friendly to humans, as breaking up fights with a human aggressive dog in the pit would be to dangerous and not tolerated. But as for dog parks and an American Pitbull Terrier if it is bred properly 99% of the time dog parks should be off limits ....Again I own a male American Pitbull Terrier and love the breed. I know first hand my dogs power, it would take him all of one shake of the head about a fraction of a second to kill or maim a little dog at a park, and I would never take that chance. Its important people know this as we don't need anymore bad press or dead dogs......Goodluck!
All dogs can be aggressive, but not all of them are being banned.
Why? Why only pit bulls?
You saying these dogs have the physical ability to maim and kill another animal very quickly - sure, nobody says they do not, and it's the owner's responsibility to train his dog to behave. These dogs are not killing machines. They can be friendly, sweet - REALLY !
And listen, what I said was my own opinion, I have started this topic just to see people's respond. I do still think that it is a myth that ALL pitbulls are aggressive. And I fail to understand why people are so picky to word choice - everybody seem to care about word choice but not the problem itself! I think it's wrong.
I myself own 4 cats - and to be honest I am afraid of big potentially dangerous dogs.. but not as much as to want them to be put to sleep. you know?
Why? Why only pit bulls?
You saying these dogs have the physical ability to maim and kill another animal very quickly - sure, nobody says they do not, and it's the owner's responsibility to train his dog to behave. These dogs are not killing machines. They can be friendly, sweet - REALLY !
And listen, what I said was my own opinion, I have started this topic just to see people's respond. I do still think that it is a myth that ALL pitbulls are aggressive. And I fail to understand why people are so picky to word choice - everybody seem to care about word choice but not the problem itself! I think it's wrong.
I myself own 4 cats - and to be honest I am afraid of big potentially dangerous dogs.. but not as much as to want them to be put to sleep. you know?
Sonny..you mean to say American Pit Bull Terriers WERE ONCE bred to fight..not any longer..at least they shouldn't be legally...it is a recognized breed by the UKC, and although it is considered a different breed than the American Staffordshire Terrier, this is only because of the minute physical appearances that began to take place between the two..however, as history shows, they are in fact one in the same dog...
When dog fighting became illegal, people turned to the ring...hence the pit was renamed the American Staffordshire Terrier..but those that still fought their dogs and kept true to the disgusting sport of dog fighting, continued the dog fighting lines and kept the American Pit Bull Terrier name..
Now, both dogs are bred for termperament, and staffies are bred for game too..by game, it doesn't mean fighting...it means the willingness to please/to do work...tons of staffie breeders have their dogs compete in weight pulling, and other physical sports.....also, considering there is so much interbreeding of the two, it is very difficult to tell the difference between an amstaff and a APBT these days...VERY difficult
About your point on dog aggression...amstaffs may and DO posess dog aggression as well..their roots are still in dog fighting..like I said, amstaffs and pits are pretty much one in the same these days as they were once before...no one tests for gameness anymore by fighting their dogs...unless they are doing it illegally...
When dog fighting became illegal, people turned to the ring...hence the pit was renamed the American Staffordshire Terrier..but those that still fought their dogs and kept true to the disgusting sport of dog fighting, continued the dog fighting lines and kept the American Pit Bull Terrier name..
Now, both dogs are bred for termperament, and staffies are bred for game too..by game, it doesn't mean fighting...it means the willingness to please/to do work...tons of staffie breeders have their dogs compete in weight pulling, and other physical sports.....also, considering there is so much interbreeding of the two, it is very difficult to tell the difference between an amstaff and a APBT these days...VERY difficult
About your point on dog aggression...amstaffs may and DO posess dog aggression as well..their roots are still in dog fighting..like I said, amstaffs and pits are pretty much one in the same these days as they were once before...no one tests for gameness anymore by fighting their dogs...unless they are doing it illegally...
They indeed were the same at one time but have been altered by breeders who show the dogs now for many,many years now ....an American Pitbull Terrier is a distinct breed.I never said you shouldn't watch your amstaff as they can be animal aggressive....But they are not bred with that in mind.The American Pitbull Terrier is to this day, if bred correctly like I stated is bred to the standard of gameness....If you want to learn about them read ...A good book to check out is by Richard Stratten( American Pitbull Terrier) Staffys are not bred to be game trust me,a few hundred years ago they were the dog that started much of the fighting in a town in England but today is a much different breed of dog everyone knows that.
Certain breeds are being banned because these are the breeds that get into the most frequent and most severe trouble. Pit bulls (or, since there's a discussion about breeds and types going on, the fighting breeds) can be fine dogs, I agree with you there. But what you said in your first post was that their dog/animal aggression was a myth, and that's simply not true.
[/QUOTE] And I fail to understand why people are so picky to word choice - everybody seem to care about word choice but not the problem itself! I think it's wrong. I myself own 4 cats - and to be honest I am afraid of big potentially dangerous dogs.. but not as much as to want them to be put to sleep. you know?[/QUOTE]
Word choice is going to make or break your argument. Dismissing the concerns people have about their dogs being attacked by pit bulls - valid concerns that people have developed after experiencing not-so-nice pit bulls firsthand - as a 'myth' will not convince anyone with contrary experience; it'll just make them think either you're not very well informed, or that you are so passionate about your cause that you're willing to lie.
[/QUOTE] And I fail to understand why people are so picky to word choice - everybody seem to care about word choice but not the problem itself! I think it's wrong. I myself own 4 cats - and to be honest I am afraid of big potentially dangerous dogs.. but not as much as to want them to be put to sleep. you know?[/QUOTE]
Word choice is going to make or break your argument. Dismissing the concerns people have about their dogs being attacked by pit bulls - valid concerns that people have developed after experiencing not-so-nice pit bulls firsthand - as a 'myth' will not convince anyone with contrary experience; it'll just make them think either you're not very well informed, or that you are so passionate about your cause that you're willing to lie.
Sonny..I understand that American Pit Bull Terriers are bred for gameness still..but you mentioned that by gameness, you meant their dog fighting ability...what I was trying to say through my post, was that gameness does not imply the ability of a dog to fight...it means the dogs willingness to get a job done...whether it be weight pulling OR dog fighting..but since dog fighting is illegal, gameness is tested in other ways...
Hence, some breeders DO test their Amstaffs for gameness...not just to look pretty..these dogs must still be fit, muscular, and able...but yes, I do see what you are trying to say...they are considered different breeds... (although to be honest, I personally consider them to be the same dog to a very large extent because of the roots)...
I hope that cleared things up...
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Casablanca...to this extent, I have to agree with you 100%...as a pit bull owner and activist, I believe that its extremely important to use the right and correct word choice..to say that animal aggression in pit bulls is a myth or a dominance issue is incorrect and only allows for politicians, pro BSLers, whomever...the right and availability to prove that point WRONG...because they are commonly dog aggressive (of cousre, not all!)...and its something we have to admit...its not a bad thing for crying out loud..its normal and something you need to live with and control...
If people want to speak for pit bulls, it is very important that they know exactly what they are talking about and what they are saying is valid and fact, not fiction or opinion...with BSL popping up everywhere, it is important to set a good example and know exactly what the heck you are talking about, along with proof to back it up...I'm STILL learning about these dogs...
I learn something new every day...when I first got my pit, I was told never to take her to an offleash dog park after she begins to reach maturity..I was like "Yeah whatever, she's great with other dogs...why the heck not?"..I finally started to grow up and do some much needed research...and thank goodness I stopped taking her there before she was a full 2 years of age..because if she was there after that, I'm sure there would have been a few serious fights....now, I only let her socialize and play with certain dogs in a controlled and closely supervised environment...no offleash dog parks for moi...
Hence, some breeders DO test their Amstaffs for gameness...not just to look pretty..these dogs must still be fit, muscular, and able...but yes, I do see what you are trying to say...they are considered different breeds... (although to be honest, I personally consider them to be the same dog to a very large extent because of the roots)...
I hope that cleared things up...
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Casablanca...to this extent, I have to agree with you 100%...as a pit bull owner and activist, I believe that its extremely important to use the right and correct word choice..to say that animal aggression in pit bulls is a myth or a dominance issue is incorrect and only allows for politicians, pro BSLers, whomever...the right and availability to prove that point WRONG...because they are commonly dog aggressive (of cousre, not all!)...and its something we have to admit...its not a bad thing for crying out loud..its normal and something you need to live with and control...
If people want to speak for pit bulls, it is very important that they know exactly what they are talking about and what they are saying is valid and fact, not fiction or opinion...with BSL popping up everywhere, it is important to set a good example and know exactly what the heck you are talking about, along with proof to back it up...I'm STILL learning about these dogs...
I learn something new every day...when I first got my pit, I was told never to take her to an offleash dog park after she begins to reach maturity..I was like "Yeah whatever, she's great with other dogs...why the heck not?"..I finally started to grow up and do some much needed research...and thank goodness I stopped taking her there before she was a full 2 years of age..because if she was there after that, I'm sure there would have been a few serious fights....now, I only let her socialize and play with certain dogs in a controlled and closely supervised environment...no offleash dog parks for moi...
casablanca1
did I get you right? you are stating it is ok to "kill" "murder" "ban"
(please, use any word you are ok with for this argument) all
american pit bulls terriers, american staffordshire terriers, american bull terriers?
if I got you wrong, then you did not word it right....
my personal opinion -
saying ALL PITBULLS (by pitbulls I mean APBT, AMSTAFF, STAFFIE) are aggresive is a 'myth' and a 'generalization' and should not be used by any educated/inteligent person unless there is an official research made testing not 0.0000001% of all pit bull population, but with the relevant % that will make the research results valid, otherwise all we say is just IMHO -
and nothing more
saying - any pit bull has the potential to BE dog aggressive - is a wise statement of a responsible dog owner who knows about "possibility" and takes precaution
lewis, seems you love pitbulls and you like pics from our site, thank you and thank you for your post, you stated the obvious it is true, but bullies need more people who care... more people who will say BSL is wrong
did I get you right? you are stating it is ok to "kill" "murder" "ban"
(please, use any word you are ok with for this argument) all
american pit bulls terriers, american staffordshire terriers, american bull terriers?
if I got you wrong, then you did not word it right....
my personal opinion -
saying ALL PITBULLS (by pitbulls I mean APBT, AMSTAFF, STAFFIE) are aggresive is a 'myth' and a 'generalization' and should not be used by any educated/inteligent person unless there is an official research made testing not 0.0000001% of all pit bull population, but with the relevant % that will make the research results valid, otherwise all we say is just IMHO -
and nothing more
saying - any pit bull has the potential to BE dog aggressive - is a wise statement of a responsible dog owner who knows about "possibility" and takes precaution
lewis, seems you love pitbulls and you like pics from our site, thank you and thank you for your post, you stated the obvious it is true, but bullies need more people who care... more people who will say BSL is wrong
pitbulliest - you are one of my the most respectfull people, but with all due respect, for me this does not feel right any more, even though I get your point, I think
what I mean is that I see so many pit owners who care so much what they say, sometimes they are even scared to say ANYTHING at all,... while there are so many people who do not care what names they use to call us, pitbull owners, and in what terms they describe our dogs... and as a matter of fact, they are "winning"... BSL is spreading
there was one guy who called me names for saying on my site that a pitbull ban is a canine genocide ... he also advised me to use the correct wording...
there are either people who think BSL is wrong and they do not care how we call it, or there are people who think BSL is right and all pitbulls should be killed and those people can not stand one word - pit bull and everything what is connected...
and there is a third group who is neither here nor there... they advise everyone to stay calm and to use the right words
what I mean is that I see so many pit owners who care so much what they say, sometimes they are even scared to say ANYTHING at all,... while there are so many people who do not care what names they use to call us, pitbull owners, and in what terms they describe our dogs... and as a matter of fact, they are "winning"... BSL is spreading
there was one guy who called me names for saying on my site that a pitbull ban is a canine genocide ... he also advised me to use the correct wording...
there are either people who think BSL is wrong and they do not care how we call it, or there are people who think BSL is right and all pitbulls should be killed and those people can not stand one word - pit bull and everything what is connected...
and there is a third group who is neither here nor there... they advise everyone to stay calm and to use the right words
There is a big difference between an activist and a fanatic.
I applaud pitbulliest for his efforts and think he's doing the right thing, but you on the other hand seem to be a little bit too passionate about this subject.
Also banning in no effect means genocide, just means you can not own a certain breed. You think its same word.. well look it up in the dictionary.
I applaud pitbulliest for his efforts and think he's doing the right thing, but you on the other hand seem to be a little bit too passionate about this subject.
Also banning in no effect means genocide, just means you can not own a certain breed. You think its same word.. well look it up in the dictionary.
Well I am not going to get to far off from the original post. I'm not going to post the definition of gameness, But I must say it has nothing to do with weight pulling. And I just wanted to make sure anyone who reads this understands from a factual point of view the difference when taking a ADBA register full grown (Game) male American Pitbull Terrier to a dog park.....Is insane and I'm sorry to say is a big part of the problem with all this banning talk ,bad press,etc,etc Along with poor breeders who continually breed human aggressive dogs.Do I think they should be banned? NO! Do I think breeders and owners along with theses registries have stricter breeding policy's? Yes ! Do I post this with the best intentions as to the breeds future ? Yes
pitbulliest said:
Sonny..I understand that American Pit Bull Terriers are bred for gameness still..but you mentioned that by gameness, you meant their dog fighting ability...what I was trying to say through my post, was that gameness does not imply the ability of a dog to fight...it means the dogs willingness to get a job done...whether it be weight pulling OR dog fighting..but since dog fighting is illegal, gameness is tested in other ways...
Hence, some breeders DO test their Amstaffs for gameness...not just to look pretty..these dogs must still be fit, muscular, and able...but yes, I do see what you are trying to say...they are considered different breeds... (although to be honest, I personally consider them to be the same dog to a very large extent because of the roots)...
I hope that cleared things up...
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Casablanca...to this extent, I have to agree with you 100%...as a pit bull owner and activist, I believe that its extremely important to use the right and correct word choice..to say that animal aggression in pit bulls is a myth or a dominance issue is incorrect and only allows for politicians, pro BSLers, whomever...the right and availability to prove that point WRONG...because they are commonly dog aggressive (of cousre, not all!)...and its something we have to admit...its not a bad thing for crying out loud..its normal and something you need to live with and control...
If people want to speak for pit bulls, it is very important that they know exactly what they are talking about and what they are saying is valid and fact, not fiction or opinion...with BSL popping up everywhere, it is important to set a good example and know exactly what the heck you are talking about, along with proof to back it up...I'm STILL learning about these dogs...
I learn something new every day...when I first got my pit, I was told never to take her to an offleash dog park after she begins to reach maturity..I was like "Yeah whatever, she's great with other dogs...why the heck not?"..I finally started to grow up and do some much needed research...and thank goodness I stopped taking her there before she was a full 2 years of age..because if she was there after that, I'm sure there would have been a few serious fights....now, I only let her socialize and play with certain dogs in a controlled and closely supervised environment...no offleash dog parks for moi...
Hence, some breeders DO test their Amstaffs for gameness...not just to look pretty..these dogs must still be fit, muscular, and able...but yes, I do see what you are trying to say...they are considered different breeds... (although to be honest, I personally consider them to be the same dog to a very large extent because of the roots)...
I hope that cleared things up...
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Casablanca...to this extent, I have to agree with you 100%...as a pit bull owner and activist, I believe that its extremely important to use the right and correct word choice..to say that animal aggression in pit bulls is a myth or a dominance issue is incorrect and only allows for politicians, pro BSLers, whomever...the right and availability to prove that point WRONG...because they are commonly dog aggressive (of cousre, not all!)...and its something we have to admit...its not a bad thing for crying out loud..its normal and something you need to live with and control...
If people want to speak for pit bulls, it is very important that they know exactly what they are talking about and what they are saying is valid and fact, not fiction or opinion...with BSL popping up everywhere, it is important to set a good example and know exactly what the heck you are talking about, along with proof to back it up...I'm STILL learning about these dogs...
I learn something new every day...when I first got my pit, I was told never to take her to an offleash dog park after she begins to reach maturity..I was like "Yeah whatever, she's great with other dogs...why the heck not?"..I finally started to grow up and do some much needed research...and thank goodness I stopped taking her there before she was a full 2 years of age..because if she was there after that, I'm sure there would have been a few serious fights....now, I only let her socialize and play with certain dogs in a controlled and closely supervised environment...no offleash dog parks for moi...
I think perhaps we need to do some more clarifying. First their is no such thing as a "Staffordshire Pitbull Terrier"; I think you mean the Staffordshire Bull Terrier(an English Smaller version of the Amstaff) often called the a Bully or a Staffy. As for the APBT being different than the American Staffordshire Terrier, if they are sooo different how come the UKC allows Amstaffs to be registered as APBTs? 60 years ago they had the exact same bloodlines. There is still a lot of crossbreeding of them (which is frowned on but still happens). As for APBT being bred for Gameness or fighting, yes there are some who do this but they are the people (coupled with bad owners) who are causing the problems in the breed. The is no logical or legal reason to breed for Fighting or Gameness. IMHO people who breed dogs for gameness are just insecure people who are looking to gain toughness through their dog.
As far as taking Members of the Pitbull family to the dog park....I have two (see pic) Athena has always been wonderful at the dog park, every dog seems to love her (sometimes too much ) and never has any problems. However I rarely go anymore to the nearest park because Sal (entact male) was Bitten by a Golden Ret (Sal stole his ball) . and that guy who owns the dog is there everytime I go ( ) and Sal has decided he will not back down from this dog. This will be serious trouble if they ever ran into each other outside of my sight line. I have taken him to other parks that are farther out and Sal is usually very good with respectful dogs. But as Sal has gotten older he refuses to submit to any dog. He has never started a problem but I have to watch him if he runs into an aggressive dog. If he is close to me I can put him in check with just a voice command but I usually leave the park if someone comes with a Dominant type (which is usually a little yapper )
To make a long story short .... Athena (Fawn female) is very easy to take to the dog park, no problems EVER. Sal (Black/White Male) usually no problem, depends on other dogs.
As far as taking Members of the Pitbull family to the dog park....I have two (see pic) Athena has always been wonderful at the dog park, every dog seems to love her (sometimes too much
) and never has any problems. However I rarely go anymore to the nearest park because Sal (entact male) was Bitten by a Golden Ret (Sal stole his ball) . and that guy who owns the dog is there everytime I go ( ) and Sal has decided he will not back down from this dog. This will be serious trouble if they ever ran into each other outside of my sight line. I have taken him to other parks that are farther out and Sal is usually very good with respectful dogs. But as Sal has gotten older he refuses to submit to any dog. He has never started a problem but I have to watch him if he runs into an aggressive dog. If he is close to me I can put him in check with just a voice command but I usually leave the park if someone comes with a Dominant type (which is usually a little yapper )To make a long story short .... Athena (Fawn female) is very easy to take to the dog park, no problems EVER. Sal (Black/White Male) usually no problem, depends on other dogs.
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Sonny:
I think you're totally confusing what I'm trying to say...
"gamebred" describes (generally/not always) dogs which are smaller (under 60 pounds) thin in build, and often having superior drive and willingness to please...gameness is the refusal to quit a task no matter the circumstances. The task was originally bull baiting, then dog fighting. Nowadays gameness can also be measured by weight pull = hence my example...although I agree it probably wasn't the best one lol
Some may argue it depends on who you ask...there are the traditionalists, that I've mentioned..that argue that there is no other way to game test a dog except for in the pit with other dogs...history also showed that pits were used for hunting boars...this required "gamebred" dogs...people today test for gameness using boar/wild pig hunting as a means as well...
My entire point though was to say that it doesn't have to do with fighting, and these days it usually doesn't...its something only traditionalists maintained to be fact...which responsible american pit bull terrier owner will fight their dog to check for gameness these days? NONE...Does this mean that in that case, there ARE no real gamebred dogs anymore? Well then maybe it does......or maybe it means that gameness is a term that's going through an evolution phase...coming out of the dog pit and moving on so to speak...or maybe I'm wrong altogether lol
If it really does have to do with criminal activities, then it really isn't doing pit bulls a favor..and in that case, I hope the term dies out entirely...I rather not have any game dogs around...stupid dogmen..
I think you're totally confusing what I'm trying to say...
"gamebred" describes (generally/not always) dogs which are smaller (under 60 pounds) thin in build, and often having superior drive and willingness to please...gameness is the refusal to quit a task no matter the circumstances. The task was originally bull baiting, then dog fighting. Nowadays gameness can also be measured by weight pull = hence my example...although I agree it probably wasn't the best one lol
Some may argue it depends on who you ask...there are the traditionalists, that I've mentioned..that argue that there is no other way to game test a dog except for in the pit with other dogs...history also showed that pits were used for hunting boars...this required "gamebred" dogs...people today test for gameness using boar/wild pig hunting as a means as well...
My entire point though was to say that it doesn't have to do with fighting, and these days it usually doesn't...its something only traditionalists maintained to be fact...which responsible american pit bull terrier owner will fight their dog to check for gameness these days? NONE...Does this mean that in that case, there ARE no real gamebred dogs anymore? Well then maybe it does......or maybe it means that gameness is a term that's going through an evolution phase...coming out of the dog pit and moving on so to speak...or maybe I'm wrong altogether lol
If it really does have to do with criminal activities, then it really isn't doing pit bulls a favor..and in that case, I hope the term dies out entirely...I rather not have any game dogs around...stupid dogmen..
I think we all know what I'm getting at, whatever you want to call them (staffy ,Amstaff), on page 147 of DR. Carl Semencic book on fighting dogs, he uses the name Staffordshire Terrier ,many people, myself included ad pitbull in there. If you truly knew the difference and cared about the breed you would be obligated to admit the difference as to the safety of any dog in a dog park that meets up with a ADBA mature male APBT."Staffys" have been bred for show since 1935. I have to agree with every book on the breed I ever read that states they are different. Im not going to argue about this as I spent to much time reading about it to have my mind changed by you .Ever heard of Richard Stratten?
Amstaffer said:
I think perhaps we need to do some more clarifying. First their is no such thing as a "Staffordshire Pitbull Terrier"; I think you mean the Staffordshire Bull Terrier(an English Smaller version of the Amstaff) often called the a Bully or a Staffy. As for the APBT being different than the American Staffordshire Terrier, if they are sooo different how come the UKC allows Amstaffs to be registered as APBTs? 60 years ago they had the exact same bloodlines. There is still a lot of crossbreeding of them (which is frowned on but still happens). As for APBT being bred for Gameness or fighting, yes there are some who do this but they are the people (coupled with bad owners) who are causing the problems in the breed. The is no logical or legal reason to breed for Fighting or Gameness. IMHO people who breed dogs for gameness are just insecure people who are looking to gain toughness through their dog.
As far as taking Members of the Pitbull family to the dog park....I have two (see pic) Athena has always been wonderful at the dog park, every dog seems to love her (sometimes too much ) and never has any problems. However I rarely go anymore to the nearest park because Sal (entact male) was Bitten by a Golden Ret (Sal stole his ball) . and that guy who owns the dog is there everytime I go ( ) and Sal has decided he will not back down from this dog. This will be serious trouble if they ever ran into each other outside of my sight line. I have taken him to other parks that are farther out and Sal is usually very good with respectful dogs. But as Sal has gotten older he refuses to submit to any dog. He has never started a problem but I have to watch him if he runs into an aggressive dog. If he is close to me I can put him in check with just a voice command but I usually leave the park if someone comes with a Dominant type (which is usually a little yapper )
To make a long story short .... Athena (Fawn female) is very easy to take to the dog park, no problems EVER. Sal (Black/White Male) usually no problem, depends on other dogs.
As far as taking Members of the Pitbull family to the dog park....I have two (see pic) Athena has always been wonderful at the dog park, every dog seems to love her (sometimes too much
) and never has any problems. However I rarely go anymore to the nearest park because Sal (entact male) was Bitten by a Golden Ret (Sal stole his ball) . and that guy who owns the dog is there everytime I go ( ) and Sal has decided he will not back down from this dog. This will be serious trouble if they ever ran into each other outside of my sight line. I have taken him to other parks that are farther out and Sal is usually very good with respectful dogs. But as Sal has gotten older he refuses to submit to any dog. He has never started a problem but I have to watch him if he runs into an aggressive dog. If he is close to me I can put him in check with just a voice command but I usually leave the park if someone comes with a Dominant type (which is usually a little yapper )To make a long story short .... Athena (Fawn female) is very easy to take to the dog park, no problems EVER. Sal (Black/White Male) usually no problem, depends on other dogs.
the term genocide was used here http://www.ourpitbulls.com/genocide.php
actually, I used it, and you know, one of my decrees is in linguistics, so trust me I know what one word or another means, this is exatly what i was trying to say earlier,
some ppl are so good at giving advices to check the dictionary....
actually, I used it, and you know, one of my decrees is in linguistics, so trust me I know what one word or another means, this is exatly what i was trying to say earlier,
some ppl are so good at giving advices to check the dictionary....
Amstaffer..how old are your dogs? I would definately agree with sonny and advise you to stop taking them to offleash dog parks. Every responsible pit owner should be following this rule to ensure the safety of your own dogs and others..you can never trust a pit bull not to fight...and to think otherwise is denial...
There are other great ways to socialize your dogs without taking the risk and making the breed look bad in the public eye yet again..why when it can be very easily avoided?
There are other great ways to socialize your dogs without taking the risk and making the breed look bad in the public eye yet again..why when it can be very easily avoided?
Ok things are getting a little out of hand here. This is a very passionate and touchy subject to some, but I would advise everyone from name calling other members...we all have a right to our opinions...as long as we respect one another....this forum should be about educating one another...
Come on guys...
Come on guys...