Omg! Wwyd?

[PoodleMommy]

Sorry to hear about the ribs... if the cone is uncomfortable try putting a tshirt over the wrap... you can just buy baby tshirts really cheap at like walmart or something... I found this worked better at keeping my dogs from eating off their wrappings better than a cone.

I really hope something is done about this incident... it is really sickening that someone could treat an animal like this... I dont enjoy getting peed on but I would never injure a dog over it... in the end it is JUST PEE.

Please keep us updated.

((HUGS)) to you and Lilly!

 

[Izzy's Valkyrie]

I would have flipped a sh!t on the girl. I wouldn't talk to someone for months after he said(Jokingly but on the wrong day) That he hoped I'd fall down and get hurt and my pets would get sent to the spca and get put to sleep. Actually, that really can't be taken as a joke. Anyways, no one messes with my furbabies.

Sorry to hear the little one has broken ribs because of that horrid being Hopes she heals well though.

 

[Giny]

Aw, poor baby! Looking at it in a positive light, I guess, is that it could have been worse. Hopefully, once the physical heals, that she won't have any negative mental effects from it. You seem to have it under control, though, and I think she'll do just fine. Hugs to you both!

 

[FoxyWench]

Hugs to little lilly, rib fractures hurt but brusing hurts more so im glad they actually fractured rather than just bruised.

Icy, while a reflex action to something like that wouldnt be abuse, scruffing a dog and THROWING it at the ground, particualrly throwing it hard enough to FRACTURE the ribs (legs are generally the first to break and ribs dont fracture easily, so she must have landed on her side with some good force to fracture 2 of them...)
THAT is abuse, whethere simply someone needing anger managment or not, i would fear for her own pets if she things thats an acceptable way of handling the situation, then to feel no remorce for it?!

"sorry...BUT" is not an apology, thats a "get off my back" you dont scruff and THROW a dog as a reflex and anyone that does needs SERIOUS help!

 

[wcladymacbeth]

I'm sorry your poor puppy has broken ribs, but I'm glad you have a diagnosis. Poor sweet little puppy. I can't imagine how angry you must be and sad for your baby. I would just... be so furious.... I would want to break your stupid acquaintance's ribs

 

[Renee750il]

Wow. Throwing a little dog like that hard enough to fracture ribs . . . :madgo:

Glad Lilly seems to be feeling more like herself The tee shirt is a good idea, it works much better than an e-collar and doesn't scare the dog and your poor little girl has been scared enough already.

 

[ARiley]

Thank-you everyone Lilly has been sleeping all evening. She was sleeping behind the couch, but I fished her out and put her up on the couch with Cody and I.

Just to clear this up, this was no reflex. She violently picked Lilly up with her scruff(lilly has tiny scabs from what I assume are from my "friend's" nails), raised her up above her shoulder, then threw her at the ground. She threw her at the ground with the same force someone would throw a tennis ball at the ground if they wanted it to bounce all the way up to the ceiling and back down. It was violent, malicious and completely uncalled for.

 

[Doberluv]

I'm so glad she went to the vet. The broken ribs could have created a life threatening situation. A broken rib can puncture a lung or other organ....very dangerous.

Anyone who equates what that sicko did with a reflex or non-abusive action ought to have their head examined. There is no question that it was a complete lack of self control, complete and absolute disregard for a living creature....a 2 lb puppy? It sounds like she was TRYING to kill this little pup. She's a horrible monster!

If it were me, I'd do what you did...report it but I'd also file a law suit against her myself for almost killing my puppy. I'd let everyone anywhere near where she lives know about it too. She is a danger to society. Like it was said, I hope a baby's diaper doesn't ever leak out on her.

BTW....urine, when it first comes out is sterile. It's probably the cleanest thing anywhere near you until it's been sitting for some time. So if a little pee gets on someone, it's not really gross because there aren't any germs in it.....at first.

 

[stardogs]

Holy crap - shoulder height?! and scabs from fingernails?! Good grief!

Glad you were able to file a report and at least now can do something about your pup's pain - remember to send that vet bill to the perosn who did this, you might even want to send it registered mail so you can confirm she got it...

 

[ARiley]

Erin, the SPCA hand-delivered the bill to her when they went to talk

 

[smkie]

THat poor baby. I fractured a rib myself a few weeks ago so I know how much it hurts. I sure hope her age will help her heal quickly. Tell her Smkie's awful sorry. No baby should ever be hurt for any reason.

 

[Angelique]

I'm so sorry to hear about what your "X-friend" did to your little one. :madgo:

If it was me? Well, I have two strict policies regarding my dogs...

Number One: No person will ever be harmed because of my dogs.
Number Two: My dogs will never be harmed because of a person.

I have lighting fast reflexes and would have been between this "person" and my dog before any of this could have happened. Trust me.

(((Hugs to you and Lilly)))

 

[Lizmo]

Just to clear this up, this was no reflex. She violently picked Lilly up with her scruff(lilly has tiny scabs from what I assume are from my "friend's" nails), raised her up above her shoulder, then threw her at the ground. She threw her at the ground with the same force someone would throw a tennis ball at the ground if they wanted it to bounce all the way up to the ceiling and back down. It was violent, malicious and completely uncalled for.

Dear God! :madgo:

 

[puppydog]

That person actually needs to be removed off the face of the planet! I have NO time for animal abusers!

Icy, when a parent cracks and shakes a baby, is that not abuse? This is plain and simple abuse, with intent!

Give Lilly a hug and kiss from me. My Lilly had two broken ribs when I got her, they think someone kicked her.

 

[Dogs6]

That is so awful I don't no why any1 would do that to a puppy

 

[IcyHound]

There seems to be a lot of reaction to fact. When I posted I expected exactly what has happened. I doubt it will happen, but for a moment pull the emotion out of the incident.

A dog peed on someone and they stood up and threw the dog off of them. That is a bit different from her picking up the dog and throwing the dog into the wall or going home and abusing her own dogs.

The dog has been injured by the act. That is what civil court is for to plead your case and be made whole for what has happened. In this case many courts support paying vet bills. However, if this action is chosen check your states laws becuase some will only allow you to recoup the cost up to the actual value of the animal injured.

I said that there is no criminal action or animal control complaint action. There is not. Just because the person reacted in an unpleasant way that does not say that she had intent to injury the dog. There is no malicious animal wounding.

However, I said the unpopular thing. Next, I assume people will say that my own animals must be in danger because obviously I support animal abuse and harm my own pets and others. This may even expand to people saying I should never be allowed near children. All becuase I commented in some raw facts about legal options from a post when people began to scream for legal action due to harm caused to the dog.

If I am to become to mean horrible boogie man on this thread then so be it. However, the law is the law and it is not an emotional thing. Sorry I'm not demanding that she be arrested for animal harming but as the facts are listed so far it does not fall under those aspects of the law.

 

[smkie]

I hope she does not breed herself.

 

[Romy]

There seems to be a lot of reaction to fact. When I posted I expected exactly what has happened. I doubt it will happen, but for a moment pull the emotion out of the incident.

A dog peed on someone and they stood up and threw the dog off of them. That is a bit different from her picking up the dog and throwing the dog into the wall or going home and abusing her own dogs.

The dog has been injured by the act. That is what civil court is for to plead your case and be made whole for what has happened. In this case many courts support paying vet bills. However, if this action is chosen check your states laws becuase some will only allow you to recoup the cost up to the actual value of the animal injured.

I said that there is no criminal action or animal control complaint action. There is not. Just because the person reacted in an unpleasant way that does not say that she had intent to injury the dog. There is no malicious animal wounding.

However, I said the unpopular thing. Next, I assume people will say that my own animals must be in danger because obviously I support animal abuse and harm my own pets and others. This may even expand to people saying I should never be allowed near children. All becuase I commented in some raw facts about legal options from a post when people began to scream for legal action due to harm caused to the dog.

If I am to become to mean horrible boogie man on this thread then so be it. However, the law is the law and it is not an emotional thing. Sorry I'm not demanding that she be arrested for animal harming but as the facts are listed so far it does not fall under those aspects of the law.

Icy, my first, gut reaction was to this thread was the same as yours when I read the the first post. Then I found out that:

This was a 1-2 pound puppy.

Two ribs were broken

The puppy has fingernail gouge scabs in the neck from where it was scruffed.

She didn't toss, shove, or push the dog away/off. She scruffed it, raised it over her head and then threw it into floor.

The shaken baby comparison is relevant. Both are acts carried out in frustration on innocent and helpless beings, with the potential for life long damage or a fatality. Obviously, if someone loses it and shakes a baby out of frustration when the baby is screaming non stop does not ever excuse it. Just as when someone loses it and hurls a tiny puppy to the floor, breaking their ribs. Would your stance on this be the same if the dog had died? Became paralyzed? Because that could easily have been an outcome. We are the logical thinking animals in this world, and have the ability to control our impulses. That is why the law holds us accountable for our actions.

Lastly, she wasn't remorseful, giving a "sorry but she deserved it" kind of apology.

 

[release the hounds]

I'm with you Icyhound, I believe this whole thing is a gross overreaction on everyone's part. Scabs from finger nails???? OK, now I need pictures cause my dogs play pretty **** rough and grab each others necks and ears and bite, hard. To the point they can drag each other around by the neck and they never have scabs or marks at all.

My gut reaction was for everyone to settle down, then i heard the dog had broken ribs and changed my mind, but for some reason, my gut is telling me everyone is still overreacting.

Get the vet bills paid for and be done with it. That's all that's going to happen. Her dogs aren't going to be taken away, she isn't going to be hit with animal abuse.

I wouldn't take her lack of "remorse" as a sign she isn't sorry, but to me it seems much more likely since everybody seems to be fairly reactive in this whole situation she's probably feeling pretty defensive because of the 10 minute yelling at you gave her.

I think everyone needs to calm down a bit.

 

[IcyHound]

There is no torture factor involved. Going to court is the right and choice and sometimes responsibility of all citizens of the US. Just because it is unpleasant it is not torturous. You can ask for court costs but claims for lost wages and pain and suffering will not qualify in this situation. Pain and suffering is for pain and suffering. It is to compensate someone who is hurt and that is almost always a physical hurt. It can be for an emotional harm but that harm must be obvious (ie long term abuse) or such as sexual harassment and such at work. Being upset over your puppy getting hurt does not qualify as pain and suffering. The puppy itself does not qualify to receive pain and suffering.

The person who is accused can completely say they reacted. Even if you feel they over reacted many people would agree that being urinated on is a horrible thing that would make them fling a small dog off of them. To prove malice or intent there would have to be more time involved in the flinging of the dog. Right now the 'heat of the moment' is involved. If you tell me that my daughter is a ***** who sleeps with everyone in town and I punch you in the face the moment you say that, the heat of the
moment covers my actions if it is reasonable that I would have reacted in that manner dependent on what you said.

This started as someone who had a dog pee on them and threw the dog off them. They may or may not have felt remorse. It is not illegal to not give a ****. None of that speaks of malice, intent, or anything else to abuse and harm the dog. Right now it is being asked for intent to harm the puppy to be proven. 'She should have known that it would cause harm to a small breed puppy' is not proof of intent.

The harm to the dog really does not factor into this. Sure that sounds horrible but the fact that it is a small dog hurts the situation. If the dog had broken its spine and died, it is a 2lb dog. They are fragile. If the same happened to a 50lb dog then you would start showing intent to harm if the dog had been killed or very seriously harmed. Effort would have to be made. Small dogs are killed by being stepped on accidentally.

So she goes 'ACK!' and flings the dog from her body while leaping to her feet becuase the dog peed on her. The dog lands, cries, and staggers around with two broken ribs. She looks at the dog and goes 'sorry but it shouldn't have peed on me' and shrugs when you say the ribs are broken again saying 'it shouldn't have peed on me, ugh'.

Unpleasant, but not proof of intent to harm.

I'll continue further. The heat of the moment is to help explain how the action is an automatic one. The people on this forum are dog people. Many have been peed on before. The average person in our country is NOT urinated on. It is horrible and offensive to them. Try asking an average person how they'd react to being peed on while sitting on their couch.

Now shaken baby is again totally different. It has intent. The child is screaming yes but the relationship of caregiver and child is different from the relationship of friend and puppy. Also, the mental acceptance of a child is different from that of a dog. The value placed on them is different. Shaken baby the baby cries the person can no longer deal, they snap mentally and go and shake the child to get it to stop. The child's neck is broken or its brain is bruised and bleeds out from the shaking to get them to stop screaming. It is a loss of control but rarely is the intent to harm the child. The person just wants the child to stop and goes overboard because they lose control. That's why its not first degree murder although it is murder and should be charged as such.

So I can't compare the two at all. She did not throw the dog in an effort to get it to stop doing what it was doing. The dog had not been peeing every where and she followed it and threw it finally because she was frustrated with the peeing and she couldn't get the dog to stop and she finally snapped inside and threw the dog.

She reacted to a dog urinating on her.

P.S. Lets not get into a discussion on shaken baby syndrome and punishments please unless yall want to. I'm done on that one.