this is not totally true fran about shelters. when people give them up all lot of them dont caare fran if they tell the truth. i volunteer at a shelter and beleive me these arn't lies. one dog was given up because it didnt match her couch anymore. one dog was overly aggresive kept biting her children. one dog (a golden) was unsocilized kept bitting people. you dont really need to know the background. the people working there had the dog for a while and have to tell you bad traits it has for your safety and knowledge. they all do, they said if they didnt most dogs would be back in a week
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Ok, here comes my .02 since this seems to have become a debate about adopting from a shelter, and breeding Lab/Poodle mixes.
For the breeding Lab/Poodle mixes.... check this link out: http://www.globalpaw.com/showthread.php?t=3987&page=1&pp=15
(don't worry...it will get into the disscussion...and it is kinda long, but it is worth the read.)
And, do you want another reason to not perposely breed mixes? (Because, you guys have admitted that these breeds are mixes. They are NOT trying to develop a breed.) Well, watch this: http://www.dcr.net/~humane/ (It starts out: Why Spay and Neuter...but that could also be...Why breed mixes?)
And from adopting from a shelter...
It is true that you may not know the background of your dog. But sometimes that is worth the risk. Blackie was a stray, and we took him in. We had no idea what his parents were like, and we had no idea if they were unhealty. Well, Blackie is 10 years old, going on strong, and he is one of the best dogs I have ever met.
Sure there was a risk when we adopted him. But I'm glad we took that risk.
Brownie (a dog we had for a couple of months before she died) we found as a stray. We had no idea where she came from, and we took her in. Was that a risk? Yes. But from what I remember of her, she was the sweetest dog ever.
Rose was one of Brownie's puppies. We knew who her (Rose's) parents were, and she grew up at our house. So basically, we knew where she came from. And she is a timid stubborn dog. Sweet, but timid and stubborn.
So just because you know where the dogs come from, that doesn't always equal a good dog.
So you shouldn't pass up a dog just because you don't know where he came from. It is nice to know, but to me anyway, giving a dog a loving home that may not live to see tomorrow or know what love is, is a pretty good reason, even if I don't know where they come from. They all deserve to be loved.
Now..back to the original subject. lol
I don't even remember who started this thing (and I'm too lazy to look. lol) so let me just say:
Have you looked at any of the breeds I posted? And will you consider a breed that isn't a retriever?
For the breeding Lab/Poodle mixes.... check this link out: http://www.globalpaw.com/showthread.php?t=3987&page=1&pp=15
(don't worry...it will get into the disscussion...and it is kinda long, but it is worth the read.)
And, do you want another reason to not perposely breed mixes? (Because, you guys have admitted that these breeds are mixes. They are NOT trying to develop a breed.) Well, watch this: http://www.dcr.net/~humane/ (It starts out: Why Spay and Neuter...but that could also be...Why breed mixes?)
And from adopting from a shelter...
It is true that you may not know the background of your dog. But sometimes that is worth the risk. Blackie was a stray, and we took him in. We had no idea what his parents were like, and we had no idea if they were unhealty. Well, Blackie is 10 years old, going on strong, and he is one of the best dogs I have ever met.
Sure there was a risk when we adopted him. But I'm glad we took that risk.
Brownie (a dog we had for a couple of months before she died) we found as a stray. We had no idea where she came from, and we took her in. Was that a risk? Yes. But from what I remember of her, she was the sweetest dog ever.
Rose was one of Brownie's puppies. We knew who her (Rose's) parents were, and she grew up at our house. So basically, we knew where she came from. And she is a timid stubborn dog. Sweet, but timid and stubborn.
So just because you know where the dogs come from, that doesn't always equal a good dog.
So you shouldn't pass up a dog just because you don't know where he came from. It is nice to know, but to me anyway, giving a dog a loving home that may not live to see tomorrow or know what love is, is a pretty good reason, even if I don't know where they come from. They all deserve to be loved.
Now..back to the original subject. lol
I don't even remember who started this thing (and I'm too lazy to look. lol) so let me just say:
Have you looked at any of the breeds I posted? And will you consider a breed that isn't a retriever?
MY $.02 
(Took me long enough, didn't it, lol)
If you want some advice on choosing a reputable breeder, check out this stickied post: http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=787
Shelter dogs: The ones I've adopted as adults with dubious backgrounds have been the absolute easiest, best all-around dogs I've had (I'll include Bimmer in this, although he was only 4 months old when I got him), and they've been 'suspect' breeds: Big, the German Shepherd, Bear - German Shepherd/Akita mix who became a certified therapy dog, and Bimmer - a discarded German Shepherd/Wolf mix. All three completely trustworthy, beautifully mannered . . . everything you could ask for in a companion. So don't sweat the shelter issue too much - follow your heart and instincts and don't try to over analyze.
Gaddy's questions were good ones, but . . . there was no reason to answer them 'out loud' on the forum. Those are questions you ask yourself and are only answerable for to yourself - and your future dog. I think you showed a great deal of forebearance and good humor to answer them as you did.
If you're going to be gone two or three days a week for 8 to 10 hours at a time it's going to be extremely difficult to train a puppy. You really might be well served to consider an older dog, even one that's say, four to six months old would be not only easier on you, but infinitely easier on the pup.
Remember, breed standards are just guidelines; every dog has its own individual characteristics and weird quirks - that's part of the joy and the frustration!
Any dog will guard its family to the best of its ability, even if it can only bite ankles. A good dog isn't going to let anyone or anything slip into its home. There are countless stories of heroics by all different breeds of dogs. The best watchdog is the one who loves you.
So, find the dog who speaks to your heart and you will have chosen the right dog.
(Took me long enough, didn't it, lol)If you want some advice on choosing a reputable breeder, check out this stickied post: http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=787
Shelter dogs: The ones I've adopted as adults with dubious backgrounds have been the absolute easiest, best all-around dogs I've had (I'll include Bimmer in this, although he was only 4 months old when I got him), and they've been 'suspect' breeds: Big, the German Shepherd, Bear - German Shepherd/Akita mix who became a certified therapy dog, and Bimmer - a discarded German Shepherd/Wolf mix. All three completely trustworthy, beautifully mannered . . . everything you could ask for in a companion. So don't sweat the shelter issue too much - follow your heart and instincts and don't try to over analyze.
Gaddy's questions were good ones, but . . . there was no reason to answer them 'out loud' on the forum. Those are questions you ask yourself and are only answerable for to yourself - and your future dog. I think you showed a great deal of forebearance and good humor to answer them as you did.
If you're going to be gone two or three days a week for 8 to 10 hours at a time it's going to be extremely difficult to train a puppy. You really might be well served to consider an older dog, even one that's say, four to six months old would be not only easier on you, but infinitely easier on the pup.
Remember, breed standards are just guidelines; every dog has its own individual characteristics and weird quirks - that's part of the joy and the frustration!
Any dog will guard its family to the best of its ability, even if it can only bite ankles. A good dog isn't going to let anyone or anything slip into its home. There are countless stories of heroics by all different breeds of dogs. The best watchdog is the one who loves you.
So, find the dog who speaks to your heart and you will have chosen the right dog.
S
actually they suck as guard dogs, sure theres a few good ones out there though. a watchdog means one of two things. #1: it barks at possible tresspassers, then wants to be their best friend. or #2: it watches them steal everything you own.
Ive had 2 goldens and by both definitions, both were the best watchdogs Ive ever had. goldens shed a lot, but the two I had actually shed less than any of my german shepherds. I dont know much at all about the flat coated, except they look to me like a black golden retriever. and labradoodles are a designer mutt. they have no standard since they are not a recognised breed, and therefore the breeders can do pretty much anything they want. also since there is a limited number of these dogs and breeders, they can charge whatever they want, and you cant tell the quality of the pups by looking at the litter because often the parents are nothing alike. either one is a poodle and ones a lab (you cant tell exactly what they will produce as far as health, temperment or appearance), or they are both crosses but of different proportions which creates the same problems. not saying its a bad mix, in a few generations they may be one of the worlds most popular recognized breeds. but for now I would steer away from them. if you want a mix check your local shelters.
good luck. post some pics when you finally get one, whatever breed you choose.
Ive had 2 goldens and by both definitions, both were the best watchdogs Ive ever had. goldens shed a lot, but the two I had actually shed less than any of my german shepherds. I dont know much at all about the flat coated, except they look to me like a black golden retriever. and labradoodles are a designer mutt. they have no standard since they are not a recognised breed, and therefore the breeders can do pretty much anything they want. also since there is a limited number of these dogs and breeders, they can charge whatever they want, and you cant tell the quality of the pups by looking at the litter because often the parents are nothing alike. either one is a poodle and ones a lab (you cant tell exactly what they will produce as far as health, temperment or appearance), or they are both crosses but of different proportions which creates the same problems. not saying its a bad mix, in a few generations they may be one of the worlds most popular recognized breeds. but for now I would steer away from them. if you want a mix check your local shelters.
good luck. post some pics when you finally get one, whatever breed you choose.
S
personally I dont like any of the designer mutts, they are not being bred for a purpose other than to have something new to sell. there are more than enough mixed breeds in shelters. if you want a mutt why not adopt one rather than promote the creation of more of them??? if they were trying to make them do better at something than the 2 counter parts are, and are doing it responsibly then okay. but thats not the case with any of these new mutts.
S
yeah, agree. and only reason I continued the argument (after seeing that it has gone on for 12 pages now) is that I hope someone else will read this post when considering one and come to their senses. anyone notice how designer mutts are not occuring in places like germany, france, spain, belgium etc? mostly in the united states, supposedly some happening in australia. europe has stricter breeding laws than we do. youd think with hundreds of breeds already in the world that there would be one for everyone and no one would have to create a new one. please people, if your thinking about a labradoodle, puggle, alsatian shepalute, rott-russel terrier, saint berhuahua...go to your local animal shelter. they have mixed breeds there that are exactly the same as the new "designer mutts", and some mixes that no one has decided to make a profit off of yet. adoption fee is garaunteed to be less than the thousands of dollars these jerks are charging. its a scam, plain and simple.
I love European breed laws! It's forbidden to sell or give away a puppy younger than 8 weeks, and they need to have their shots and have their identification tattoo.
But anyway. I agree Bubbatd. It's so sad we keep using arguments against those breeds and people just end up being more convinced that they want one... and are just encouraging those BYB to make more money with those mutts... You want a hypoallergenic dog? Get a poodle. You want a retriever? Get a lab. Labradoodles have no purpose, as the project of making it a new breed failed. Their only purpose is to make it easier for dishonest breeders to take advantage of ignorant people... Like that mutt factory that the OP posted about
But anyway. I agree Bubbatd. It's so sad we keep using arguments against those breeds and people just end up being more convinced that they want one... and are just encouraging those BYB to make more money with those mutts... You want a hypoallergenic dog? Get a poodle. You want a retriever? Get a lab. Labradoodles have no purpose, as the project of making it a new breed failed. Their only purpose is to make it easier for dishonest breeders to take advantage of ignorant people... Like that mutt factory that the OP posted about
J
Actually, what you wrote isn't true. Labradoodles were originally created by the Australian Guide Dog Association in the mid-70s to help those with allergies. And while you certainly are entitled to not like "designer mutts", there seem to be many responsible breeders of Labradoodles. It's ludicrous to make a blanket statement that all breeders of these "new mutts" are irresponsible breeders.
J
Assuming a person buys from a responsible breeder that matches all the criteria from the "Responsible Breeder Checklist" thread, why are so many of you so upset over a Labradoodle? And don't tell me there aren't any responsible breeders. That's as arrogant a statement as it is ignorant. I also don't want to hear that I could buy a mutt from a shelter, because no matter what breed I buy it's coming from a professional, responsible breeder.
J
What makes a responsible breeder:
http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=787
I'm not adopting a dog from a shelter because I want to raise a puppy.
EDIT: I'd say the odds are 90% we'll buy from a breeder.
http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=787
I'm not adopting a dog from a shelter because I want to raise a puppy.
EDIT: I'd say the odds are 90% we'll buy from a breeder.
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