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Funny how the standard mentions long coats, not as a DQ
The only DQ for a Sibe in the AKC is size. UKC and CKC also lists: Monorchid or cryptorchid, size, and shyness/viciousness.

But it is listed as a fault to have improper coat type by all registries.

Funny people keep trying to find a way around this. :popcorn: Why are you all so determined to defend a breed fault?
 

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The only DQ for a Sibe in the AKC is size. UKC and CKC also lists: Monorchid or cryptorchid, size, and shyness/viciousness.

But it is listed as a fault to have improper coat type by all registries.

Funny people keep trying to find a way around this. :popcorn: Why are you all so determined to defend a breed fault?
Start. A. New. Thread.

People are trying to make it light hearted because they feel sorry for the person that posted.

Debate it elsewheres maybe!
 

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Could a mod move all the "wooly" debate to a new thread so if anybody wants to continue it it can go there? (it would be good to have as its own thread for future reference for pher members potentially, too) I hate that this is what the thread had turned into, and I for one (and many others I'm sure) would love to see more pictures :)
 

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Could a mod move all the "wooly" debate to a new thread so if anybody wants to continue it it can go there? (it would be good to have as its own thread for future reference for pher members potentially, too) I hate that this is what the thread had turned into, and I for one (and many others I'm sure) would love to see more pictures :)
This gets my vote.

A mention of this hair controversy might have been appropriate, but the in-depth discussion of it would be better off elsewhere.

The puppy is very cute.
 

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Angry Puppy! That is now his official nickname :D He's adorable (Don't tell him I said that because he looks like he would be offended at being called that :p )
 

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:rofl1::rofl1::rofl1: This is funny!

I was told by a friend that I'm a total piece of $h!t for not adopting from a shelter. She does not understand the heartache I went through by adopting There may be better conditions in other states but not here. This is coming from someone that has had the same foo foo mini dog for 16 years (no other dogs) that she DID NOT ADOPT she bought him from a breeder but she "knows better now" She has money lots of money why does she not adopt!? That's on her though not me. I can agree to disagree and not hold a grudge. when I saw Zeus Blaze's daddy he was the most gorgeous dog I have ever seen. I did not even know about wooly or non wooly then. So I really did buy on looks. I could have went with the short hair but when I read all the disagreement on the wooly fault I figured it was not a big deal because the only negative for it was that the coat may not dry like the others. I asked the breeder has any of them had skin issues and they claim none of the dogs in their 20+ years of owning them had issues with their skin.
 
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I was told by a friend that I'm a total piece of $h!t for not adopting from a shelter. She does not understand the heartache I went through by adopting There may be better conditions in other states but not here. This is coming from someone that has had the same foo foo mini dog for 16 years (no other dogs) that she DID NOT ADOPT she bought him from a breeder but she "knows better now"
It always amazes me that everyone needs to have an opinion when you get a dog. I got lecture after lecture after dirty looks from this pharmacist I work with when I got Traveler. "I should be adopting. Why would I go to a breeder, let alone one not in the country. What about the shelter dogs, people shouldn't be buying dogs"

This all from a women that not only doesn't have a dog but doesn't like them. So why exactly do you think you having an opinion on MY dog is going to influence me at all?
 

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I went through something similar with Cricket and she IS a rescue... Instead I got the "why would you rescue a dog from another country when we have so many here that need homes?" To be honest, I was not finding what I really wanted locally and Grace knows me so I trusted her to assess Cricket and help me decide if she would be a good fit for me or not. People are always going to have opinions and there are always going to be people who disagree with you on stuff or think you are bat **** crazy for wherever or whenever you decide for a dog. You can't please everyone and in the end the dog is going to be living with you every day for the rest of its life so really no one else's opinion really matters.

I don't know. I happen to think this puppy is adorable wooly or not. I still stand behind what I said earlier that as long as health testing is done and you feel confident in your breeder then its your decision to make.

Want to see more pics...
 

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AngryPuppy is adorable! Sibe/Husky/Mal mix/whatever the heck you want to call them puppies are right up there on the list of cutest babies ever.

I'm all for responsible breeding, but I think this thread is a great example of "you have to get the information out there in a way that people will listen". Putting everyone on the defensive doesn't change minds - it just makes people dig their toes in harder.

Is it wrong for a hypothetical "me" to breed with the desire for darker coated, to the mahogany or black spectrum, Malinois? I do not prefer blonde dogs. "I" also trial my dogs in IPO, AKC Obed, Agility, as well as keep up on health testing and so forth.
It is not wrong. Please make me a very small dark one. I don't like the light ones as much. Thanks.
 

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Such a cute puppy, congrats! He really does look like he'll be a little trouble maker. :p
 

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Husky puppies have to be some of the cutest! Love the pup's eyebrows and dark/white contrast. I will also be interested to see what he looks like when he grows up - their color can change so much.


Original breed standard, from way back when, did not include woolies OR reds. They simply didn't exist. Reds got bred in anyway, and generally speaking, an awesome working dog can't be a bad color unless it affects working ability and health. Right. Woolies DO affect working ability and CAN (though not always) affect health. The coat texture is not the same, the length makes for more matting, skin issues ranging from yeast infections to (in which the Sibe already has major problems), and overheating. A normal Sibe coat will protect from the heat and the cold. A wooly coat is exactly that...wooly. Its texture is useless in keeping the dog cool, and if shaved, they will quickly freeze at anything below 70F. It's a high maintenance dog with no purpose in life other than looking pretty.
The wooly Sibes I have known don't have any health or quality of life issues related to their coat type. I honestly think this is a bit of a stretch. Or maybe an old breeder wives tale? Kinda like people saying if you don't crop a Schnauzer they will suffer life long ear infections.

Hm. People who give a **** about the breed? And anyone who breeds for looks...not someone who cares about the breed.

Who cares if someone is breeding mini-GSDs? Who cares if someone is breeding double merle Danes? Who cares? Really?

By all means, let the support of BYBing commence. Doesn't seem like anyone here bothers to be educated about it.

If it's cute...who cares?
Honestly if someone started breeding mini-GSDs today, it wouldn't really harm the breed as a whole. The people breeding outstanding health tested working GSDs wouldn't suddenly stop and start breeding pet Mini-GSDs. Just like mini-Aussies have not really harmed Aussies. In breeds with very small gene pools, losing a segment of the population to someone wanting to split off in a new direction could be harmful. But in breeds where there are already so many different types of breeders, it's just one more type of breeder. Shilohs were developed from oversized GSDs and other than the founder spreading some misinformation about GSDs in her marketing of them, their existence didn't really affect the GSD breed. It have people who wanted a huge, pet shepherd type dog a place to consistently find them from health tested stock.

I think it's much more that a lot of people on this board have come to the conclusion there are a ton of breeders out there and very few can ever be agreed upon as reputable. So the lectures, BYB labeling and general "Lets attack the person with the new puppy" is reserved for the few breeders we can all pretty much agree suck.

There are C/Koolie breeders I'm not fond of and wouldn't call reputable but if someone got a puppy from one of the ones I personally don't agree with I wouldn't go after them in there puppy thread.
This.

The only DQ for a Sibe in the AKC is size. UKC and CKC also lists: Monorchid or cryptorchid, size, and shyness/viciousness.

But it is listed as a fault to have improper coat type by all registries.

Funny people keep trying to find a way around this. :popcorn: Why are you all so determined to defend a breed fault?
So wait...this isn't even a disqualifying fault in the breed? Interesting.

I don't think any is or isn't defending the puppy's breeder but what's done is done and this is a place to welcome someone's new puppy. I think "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" applies to threads introducing new puppies.

Wooly Sibes are against standard. Many Sibe people don't even consider them part of the breed, they are called ALASKAN Huskies. Mutts. It's a huge fault, not only in show dogs but in working dogs as well. Only a BYB would continue to breed them. I hope your dogs end up healthy and have no temperament problems, because they definitely weren't bred for anything other than looks.
I'm not a husky person but I'm pretty sure there is a big difference between wooly Siberians and Alaskans.

And honestly, someone's thread introducing their new puppy is really not the time and place to lecture about your feelings on their breeder or that their dog is a subpar example of the breed. It seems there is no reason to bring this stuff up on this thread other than to be hurtful because someone did something you disagree with. I used to work with someone who did this sort of thing all the time when people brought in puppies they purchased from a pet store. The new puppy owners, who already love their new puppy were shown all sorts of AR puppy mill propaganda and shamed for their choice to support it. Some left crying. They left their first night of puppy class with their new puppy crying. Nothing was accomplished except that the new puppy owners felt attacked and hurt. And quite a few never returned :(
 

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