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Lyzelle, didn't you say there are virtually NO truly reputable Sibe breeders in the US? Even the show breeders? I'm just curious, as you know much more about the breed than I do.
I know that I haven't observed a reputable Sibe breeder. Either chunky show dogs who can't work, or spazzy unattractive BYB dogs.
I can't say much about the breeder based on their website... but they do have a health contract, limited registration, socialize and don't kennel their dogs. It seems like they have a nice facility. Not the best breeder but definitely not the worst.
I know that I haven't observed a reputable Sibe breeder. Either chunky show dogs who can't work, or spazzy unattractive BYB dogs.
I can't say much about the breeder based on their website... but they do have a health contract, limited registration, socialize and don't kennel their dogs. It seems like they have a nice facility. Not the best breeder but definitely not the worst.
Yes, I did, and that would be the problem. There is no true 'Siberian Husky' type. So everyone makes up their own little BYB nightmare(whether pet, sport, working, or show) and calls it a Sibe. Although many of the working dogs can be called "true", it's really a matter of preference and if you want to get technical - pedigree. But many people will call any sled dog an Alaskan or Sibe, which makes things more complicated.
I have honest to God never seen or heard of a breeder that is NOT considered a BYB I'm talking all my life. Either a friend would be like oh that's a back yard breeder or on here or other forums I see people being told that all the time. This goes for even the Golden breeders I know of. The Golden breeder I dealt with came from word of mouth so did the husky breeder.
Now the lady that owns the store I buy my dog food from said the place I got Gunner from is a BYB and last year she drove to Connecticut to buy a Golden well one day I was in her store recently talking about her Golden to her two other employee's and they tell me oh he is a BYB pup. All I can say is everyone has their own opinion on this. I have never bought dogs out of the newspaper and always visited the places I bought from. I would like someone to give me a name of one reputable Golden Retriever breeder in the US and I bet someone else will have something to say about them. I know I live in sleazeville aka Louisiana and there probably is not as many up to standard breeders here as elsewhere in the US but I find that the people that have made BYB comments over the years usually are dead set on adopting and I'm sorry I will not ever do that again unless I have NO dogs at the time because the shelters here do not make sure these dogs are free of disease and years ago I brought in a very sick dog from a pound and I will not go through that again. I will always buy from a breeder.
Now the lady that owns the store I buy my dog food from said the place I got Gunner from is a BYB and last year she drove to Connecticut to buy a Golden well one day I was in her store recently talking about her Golden to her two other employee's and they tell me oh he is a BYB pup. All I can say is everyone has their own opinion on this. I have never bought dogs out of the newspaper and always visited the places I bought from. I would like someone to give me a name of one reputable Golden Retriever breeder in the US and I bet someone else will have something to say about them. I know I live in sleazeville aka Louisiana and there probably is not as many up to standard breeders here as elsewhere in the US but I find that the people that have made BYB comments over the years usually are dead set on adopting and I'm sorry I will not ever do that again unless I have NO dogs at the time because the shelters here do not make sure these dogs are free of disease and years ago I brought in a very sick dog from a pound and I will not go through that again. I will always buy from a breeder.
Goldiefur, it is really hard to find a breeder that everyone agrees is reputable! In general though, the important factors are that the breeding dogs are well cared for, loved, socialized and exercised (preferably NOT kenneled) and health tested. It's also important that puppies are sold after 8 weeks and the breeder has a 2+ year health guarantee on their puppies, as well as a contract on their puppies to ensure they don't end up a shelter statistic.
The rest is showing vs working vs pet politics. To me if you're getting a pet dog, the most important thing is that your dog is healthy, socialized and comes from stable, friendly parents. A true BYB does not care about health tests, correct temperaments or where there puppies go other than to anyone who pays for them. For me... I want to work and show my puppy, so if I'm not buying from a breeder whose dogs are show champions and/or working titled, I'm adopting from a shelter. But it's completely understandable that some people just want a stable pet puppy whose parents they know are healthy and friendly! I think Blaze's breeder looks good. My former boss who is in the dog industry and knows better bought both of her Huskies from straight up BYBs with ads in the newspaper, and they turned out to be crazy and aggressive.
The rest is showing vs working vs pet politics. To me if you're getting a pet dog, the most important thing is that your dog is healthy, socialized and comes from stable, friendly parents. A true BYB does not care about health tests, correct temperaments or where there puppies go other than to anyone who pays for them. For me... I want to work and show my puppy, so if I'm not buying from a breeder whose dogs are show champions and/or working titled, I'm adopting from a shelter. But it's completely understandable that some people just want a stable pet puppy whose parents they know are healthy and friendly! I think Blaze's breeder looks good. My former boss who is in the dog industry and knows better bought both of her Huskies from straight up BYBs with ads in the newspaper, and they turned out to be crazy and aggressive.
Meh, no one is going to agree with what a reputable breeder is. I mean, even Gonzo's important factors aren't very important to me depending on the breed and in fact my breeder pretty much only meets the cared for and loved criteria.
You find a good dog where you find a good dog. Look for a breeder that fits what you care about and if you're happy with your dog there you go. If you end up feeling burned, well lesson learned but don't let others tell you what is or isn't a good breeder for you because you're the one who's going to get to raise that little hellion.
Listen, learn, make the decision yourself and at the end of the day love your puppy because you've sure got a cute one that looks like trouble.
You find a good dog where you find a good dog. Look for a breeder that fits what you care about and if you're happy with your dog there you go. If you end up feeling burned, well lesson learned but don't let others tell you what is or isn't a good breeder for you because you're the one who's going to get to raise that little hellion.
Listen, learn, make the decision yourself and at the end of the day love your puppy because you've sure got a cute one that looks like trouble.
Hm. People who give a **** about the breed? And anyone who breeds for looks...not someone who cares about the breed.
Who cares if someone is breeding mini-GSDs? Who cares if someone is breeding double merle Danes? Who cares? Really?
By all means, let the support of BYBing commence. Doesn't seem like anyone here bothers to be educated about it.
If it's cute...who cares?
Who cares if someone is breeding mini-GSDs? Who cares if someone is breeding double merle Danes? Who cares? Really?
By all means, let the support of BYBing commence. Doesn't seem like anyone here bothers to be educated about it.
If it's cute...who cares?
You can't really compare breeding dogs with improper coats to double merles. One is risking a pup's health and the other is not. You can't even really compare mini GSDs to woolly sibes. A mini GSD would need to be cross-bred whereas woolies happen in the breed as is.
And I DON'T think anyone is saying 'go breed what you want'. There is a line everyone has to draw for THEMSELVES on what is okay and what is not. Dog breeding ethics are not as universal as people make them out to be. I'm sure you could find dozens of people that would strike both my dogs' breeders out for various reasons. I'm sure I could find fault with a lot of peoples' breeders. Doesn't mean they're all 'BYB's'. Just means they're not the breeder for what I want.
Personally, I wouldn't support a breeder breeding for something that I felt was not in the breed's best interest. But trying to define that gets... tricky. That's ALL people are saying.
Anyways, he's a cute angry puppy.
And I DON'T think anyone is saying 'go breed what you want'. There is a line everyone has to draw for THEMSELVES on what is okay and what is not. Dog breeding ethics are not as universal as people make them out to be. I'm sure you could find dozens of people that would strike both my dogs' breeders out for various reasons. I'm sure I could find fault with a lot of peoples' breeders. Doesn't mean they're all 'BYB's'. Just means they're not the breeder for what I want.
Personally, I wouldn't support a breeder breeding for something that I felt was not in the breed's best interest. But trying to define that gets... tricky. That's ALL people are saying.
Anyways, he's a cute angry puppy.
Hey, if BYBs are suddenly health testing, breeding for something inparticular, taking care of their dogs and proving them in something, then so be it!
Pretty sure it's never been a secret that chazzers are more than happy to support breeders that some other people in the breed wouldn't, as long as they do the above. Heck, there's often been discussions where people mention they would gladly go to a breeder for a certain designer breed, even, if they found one they liked.
Really? Nobody bothers to be educated about BYBs? That's absolute BS, considering majority of chazzers have been through the rescuing dogs that have needed a new home *because* they were BYB dogs.
Looks to me like a whole lot of people wanted to be educated in this thread, actually. They all asked questions. They can't really learn if you just go to offending rather than teaching
Pretty sure it's never been a secret that chazzers are more than happy to support breeders that some other people in the breed wouldn't, as long as they do the above. Heck, there's often been discussions where people mention they would gladly go to a breeder for a certain designer breed, even, if they found one they liked.
Really? Nobody bothers to be educated about BYBs? That's absolute BS, considering majority of chazzers have been through the rescuing dogs that have needed a new home *because* they were BYB dogs.
Looks to me like a whole lot of people wanted to be educated in this thread, actually. They all asked questions. They can't really learn if you just go to offending rather than teaching
