"If it's not AKC, it's a mutt"
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Let me get on my soapbox here for a minute, please:
An old fashioned comment about **PEOPLE** is that "breeding tells". This was a reference to high class families, and the gentility and manners expected of both adults and children from those families.
Class does not necessarily mean money, being high class is a way of looking at and dealing with the world. There are people with very little in the way of material things that are high class, and people who are filthy rich who are low class.
To me, this experience is not about dogs at all. Mixed breeds or purebreds, they are all the same as far as having a place in our heart and family.
To me, if you meet someone in a public place and they introduce one of their family members, the proper response is to greet that family member be it person or pet, and note a good quality and give a compliment. That is the class way to meet others, it promotes good feelings and friendship, and that is the purpose of introduction.
The woman's response was low class, not because she used the word mutt, because there is nothing wrong with having a mixed breed in your family; but because her response was not designed to invite friendship and interaction.
Breeding tells
An old fashioned comment about **PEOPLE** is that "breeding tells". This was a reference to high class families, and the gentility and manners expected of both adults and children from those families.
Class does not necessarily mean money, being high class is a way of looking at and dealing with the world. There are people with very little in the way of material things that are high class, and people who are filthy rich who are low class.
To me, this experience is not about dogs at all. Mixed breeds or purebreds, they are all the same as far as having a place in our heart and family.
To me, if you meet someone in a public place and they introduce one of their family members, the proper response is to greet that family member be it person or pet, and note a good quality and give a compliment. That is the class way to meet others, it promotes good feelings and friendship, and that is the purpose of introduction.
The woman's response was low class, not because she used the word mutt, because there is nothing wrong with having a mixed breed in your family; but because her response was not designed to invite friendship and interaction.
Breeding tells
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lucille said:
Let me get on my soapbox here for a minute, please:
An old fashioned comment about **PEOPLE** is that "breeding tells". This was a reference to high class families, and the gentility and manners expected of both adults and children from those families.
Class does not necessarily mean money, being high class is a way of looking at and dealing with the world. There are people with very little in the way of material things that are high class, and people who are filthy rich who are low class.
To me, this experience is not about dogs at all. Mixed breeds or purebreds, they are all the same as far as having a place in our heart and family.
To me, if you meet someone in a public place and they introduce one of their family members, the proper response is to greet that family member be it person or pet, and note a good quality and give a compliment. That is the class way to meet others, it promotes good feelings and friendship, and that is the purpose of introduction.
The woman's response was low class, not because she used the word mutt, because there is nothing wrong with having a mixed breed in your family; but because her response was not designed to invite friendship and interaction.
Breeding tells
An old fashioned comment about **PEOPLE** is that "breeding tells". This was a reference to high class families, and the gentility and manners expected of both adults and children from those families.
Class does not necessarily mean money, being high class is a way of looking at and dealing with the world. There are people with very little in the way of material things that are high class, and people who are filthy rich who are low class.
To me, this experience is not about dogs at all. Mixed breeds or purebreds, they are all the same as far as having a place in our heart and family.
To me, if you meet someone in a public place and they introduce one of their family members, the proper response is to greet that family member be it person or pet, and note a good quality and give a compliment. That is the class way to meet others, it promotes good feelings and friendship, and that is the purpose of introduction.
The woman's response was low class, not because she used the word mutt, because there is nothing wrong with having a mixed breed in your family; but because her response was not designed to invite friendship and interaction.
Breeding tells
evenstar7139 said:
AKA she was rude
pffft AKC.
there are established breeds on this planet that are decades (if not centuries) older than the AKC itself.
it would be sad if the dog world were limited to the measly number of breeds the AKC condescends to recognize, and from what i've seen, all in all it's more beneficial for the quality and health of a breed to not bre recognized (and thus hyped) by the AKC.
just my personal opinion, and i'll shut up now before i go into a huge rant about what a respectable registry should be about.
there are established breeds on this planet that are decades (if not centuries) older than the AKC itself.
it would be sad if the dog world were limited to the measly number of breeds the AKC condescends to recognize, and from what i've seen, all in all it's more beneficial for the quality and health of a breed to not bre recognized (and thus hyped) by the AKC.
just my personal opinion, and i'll shut up now before i go into a huge rant about what a respectable registry should be about.
MyDogsLoveMe,
I agree that that is often the sentiment. By the logic that there are too many homeles dogs already, no one should be breeding purebred dogs either. I have seen some people post exactly this argument. But most people would not go that far. I also agree that most of the breeders that try to breed the labradoodles, Yorkie-poos, etc. as a matter of practical experience, fall into the catagory of BYB. I certainly don't condone unethical breeders. But the posts I have read often go beyond this and explicitly state that anyone who might try to breed these is necessarily evil. .
I agree that that is often the sentiment. By the logic that there are too many homeles dogs already, no one should be breeding purebred dogs either. I have seen some people post exactly this argument. But most people would not go that far. I also agree that most of the breeders that try to breed the labradoodles, Yorkie-poos, etc. as a matter of practical experience, fall into the catagory of BYB. I certainly don't condone unethical breeders. But the posts I have read often go beyond this and explicitly state that anyone who might try to breed these is necessarily evil. .
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I dont disagree with you there PFC1. You will soon see the passion that people here on this forum have for their animals which is a great thing to have. BYB and puppy mills are not a good thing, but there is no way to shut them down unless complaint after complaint is made to their local ASPCA (I think that is what it is) or their local animal control etc. Breeding animals for profit sometimes isnt a bad thing, but the stress it places on the mommy when she is bred over and over again is just wrong....
The various "doodle" breeds were a failure. The intent was to develop a type of dog for service work that would be useful to people with allergies and have greatly reduced shedding. But it didn't work out that way. Now, those claims are falsely being made by opportunistic "breeders" who prey on people who just don't know any better and are willing to pay hundreds of dollars for dogs touted as hypo-allergenic and shed-free. But they aren't. There may be a dog or two or three out of a litter that carries something resembling those traits, but not all. It's just dishonest.
The UKC was formed chortly after the AKC and was designed more for the "hunting" breeds. This is the predominant kennel club in the southern US.
The UKC has special events such as "Earthing", Coon Hunts, Rabbit Hunts, Squirrel Hunts and Hunt tests.
I specialize my Labrador Retriever with the UKC-HRC (UKC- Hunting Retriever Club).
The UKC usually recognizes certain breeds of the AKC (such as Labradors, Chessies, Goldens, Pointers, Curs, Feists, and Hounds.) If the AKC does not recognize your breed, you'll have to register it with the Parent Breed Club in order to become registered with the UKC.
I hope that shed some light on ya, and I apologize for jumping in rather late.
The UKC has special events such as "Earthing", Coon Hunts, Rabbit Hunts, Squirrel Hunts and Hunt tests.
I specialize my Labrador Retriever with the UKC-HRC (UKC- Hunting Retriever Club).
The UKC usually recognizes certain breeds of the AKC (such as Labradors, Chessies, Goldens, Pointers, Curs, Feists, and Hounds.) If the AKC does not recognize your breed, you'll have to register it with the Parent Breed Club in order to become registered with the UKC.
I hope that shed some light on ya, and I apologize for jumping in rather late.
in my opinion there is a huge difference between someone just repeatedly breeding F1 crosses from two purebred parent animals to get whatever stupid "designer" mixes are the flavor of the day and someone actually working on establishing a breed with a well thought out breeding program.
you can breed F1 crosses for decades and until you get blue in the face, but you will never get any closer to a "real breed" since the offspring is always a crossbreed of two purebred parents.
i have nothing against folks who are responsibly following a breeding program to actually eventually end up with dogs who breed true, health testing each animal in their breeding program and eliminating those that aren't suitable. but how many such ethical, responsible breeders do you see in the circles that produce "labradoodles", "maltipoos", "puggles" and so on? they are generally not in it to breed a better dog but to make lots of money.
you can breed F1 crosses for decades and until you get blue in the face, but you will never get any closer to a "real breed" since the offspring is always a crossbreed of two purebred parents.
i have nothing against folks who are responsibly following a breeding program to actually eventually end up with dogs who breed true, health testing each animal in their breeding program and eliminating those that aren't suitable. but how many such ethical, responsible breeders do you see in the circles that produce "labradoodles", "maltipoos", "puggles" and so on? they are generally not in it to breed a better dog but to make lots of money.
So basically to form a new true breed youd have to crossbreed a lab and a poodle, then have the mixed off spring, then you bred two more labs and poodles then have the mixed off spring, then breed a male from one litter to a female of another litter (both parents are lab/poodle mixes) to form that "true breed in the third generation. Then you have to have 3 more generations of this particular dog to have a true breed, correct??