If you don't plan on training, boarding, or vetting your dogs... clickers and crates really aren't going to help you at all.
And my dog is perfectly fine at the vet... and at the groomers, and being boarded, and was never crate trained.
I honestly do not think that crates and clickers are for everybody. I would never look down on somebody who USES those things, and would expect the same. I could see if my dog was horribly mannered and not trained, but she is not.
Actually, in some cases, I think some people really should not use crates. Some people use crate training in place of the dogs having house manners, because the dog is in the crate so often. So when the dog IS out, it is horribly mannered, because it was never trained house manners since it had the crate.
Ok I have no clue if that made any sense. If not, I apologize, I have gone off my meds for the last 2 days, since I forgot them at home.. and am feeling the effects now