Help with breeding please

[mrose_s]

maybe foster a pregnant girl from a rescue, rescues don't like puppies being born and raised in a shelter environment so they often look for foster homes. that way you can learn about how to raise puppies well and decided whether your ready to put in all the extra effort it would take to breed your own dog

 

[Lizmo]

Please make this a sticky...

Agreed. There are some very good points made in this thread, that I am sure, newcomers will benefit from.

 

[noludoru]

I don't think we will be hearing from Mary on this any longer. She thinks it's "fun" that her grandchildren will get to see how to bring unneeded puppies into the world and how absolutely cool it is to help with overpopulation of mutts that have special names.

I figured not.

I third the stickying request..

 

[savethebulliedbreeds]

Yup, sticky.

At least if she doesn't post again, I am sure she has read what everyone else has posted. Maybe she will think about it and realize that breeding her dog is a huge mistake. On the other hand, she may think that a bunch of shelter working, rescue working, vets, vet assistants, responsible breeders, responsible owners don't have a clue what we are talking about.

Mary, if you are still reading this, please rethink breeding your dog. I wish I could find the thread about the girl with the chihuahua. It was a perfect example of why not to breed when you don't know what you are doing. Please leave the breeding up to the people that are doing it to better a BREED. Breeding crossbreds just creates more problems than you realize and to be quite honest the majority of the things you have said screams back yard breeder. It is what everyone thinks when they breed their pets. It is because of those very thoughts that millions of dogs are euthanized every year.

 

[daaqa]

mary, if you are still around, here is a perspective from a "kid" who didn't have fun when her parents bred her dog:

my parents bred a healthy dog [with healthy parents] to another healthy dog. she had three adorable pups. we kept one and sold two. after they were whelped, it turned out that our original dog had a serious health problem that only came up after she had the litter. and it was genetic and passed on to both females in the litter. we had to buy back the one we sold and she had to be put to sleep because her health was so terrible. in the end we lost our original dog, my dog [other female from the litter] and the female we sold. our hearts were broken and the owners of the female were absolutely devastated.
it wasn't "fun."

maybe it was different when you were a kid. but nowadays we have millions of dogs that are killed because people want to have "fun." it's not an attack, but if you care about your dog and your family and animals in general, you will not breed Maya!

 

[mamasobuco]

I have a puppy problem. I just love puppies. I want puppies all the time. So does my nephew. That is why we foster puppies. There is no shortage of puppies out there in need of foster homes. It is the most rewarding thing I've ever done. I couldn't imagine that breeding would be any more rewarding outside of feeling good about bettering your breed. We get to teach the puppies how to trust people, accept love, go potty outside, respect other dogs, basic politeness and to have fun and be happy. Fosting puppies would not only be fun for your grandkids but it would be a very good lesson to teach. Who knows, they may end up helping dogs for the rest of their lives just like my nephew (14) plans on doing.

 

[lakotasong]

I also think that this should be a sticky!! :hail:'

And mamasobuco, that was a beautiful post!! Kudos!!

 

[jess2416]

Here are the threads that you were talking about savethebulliedbreeds...

1. http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30024

2. http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30137

 

[squirtsmom]

My dog was bred by a BYB which at the time I didn't know. come a year later, she is one, we have found that she has terrible hip problems that are non surgical correctable. Sooner or later she is going to have problems, and there is nothing we can do about it. And the vet says probably in the next year or two. What am I going to tell my baby when I take her buddy away and don't bring her back. Responsible breeding is a must.

 

[mamasobuco]

Thanks Summit. I mean every word. It's the best thing I've done and I HIGHLY recommend it.

 

[yellowdog5]

Why does anyone, including "responsible purebred breeders" have a right to breed dogs, before every animal in the nation's animal shelters is adopted? It seems to me that with the philosophy presented on this thread, no one should deliberately try to create a litter of pups, as there are already more than enough unwanted dogs in the world waiting for homes. Think about it.

 

[Red_ACD_for_me]

Why does anyone, including "responsible purebred breeders" have a right to breed dogs, before every animal in the nation's animal shelters is adopted? It seems to me that with the philosophy presented on this thread, no one should deliberately try to create a litter of pups, as there are already more than enough unwanted dogs in the world waiting for homes. Think about it.

Whats to think about! Especially since you intentionally breed mixed breed lab crosses for pets! Think about that? Why is that necessary to do when their are millions of lab mixes dying in animal shelter? If you are going to do ANY breeding it should be to improve a breed and breed "purebreds" not more mutts.........Health testing such as hips, eyes, ears and elbows should be checked to. I have a male ACD who I was asked to breed to a lab bitch last year! I just can't believe the ignorance that is out there! I'm not contributing to the overwhelming population of unwanted mix breeds but I would gladly give a mixed breed a home which I have actually had lab/shepard mixes in the past adopted from shelters .

 

[yellowdog5]

No, Red, you are not contributing to the mixed breed population, but you are contributing to the dog population, and you even say that you would give a mixed breed a home, which I assume means you would train it and love it and make a useful animal of it. I personally have no problem with promoting a breed or a type of dog, or breeding them. I just wonder how you can justify breeding them, and at the same time argue that there are plenty of dogs in animal shelters. Purebreds show up there too, you know.

 

[Gempress]

Why does anyone, including "responsible purebred breeders" have a right to breed dogs, before every animal in the nation's animal shelters is adopted? It seems to me that with the philosophy presented on this thread, no one should deliberately try to create a litter of pups, as there are already more than enough unwanted dogs in the world waiting for homes. Think about it.

"Responsible purebred breeders" are filling a niche. They are taking every step possible to ensure their dogs are the best: health testing, temperament testing, and competitions. Puppies born are likely to be credit to the breed, and bring nothing but good, commendable traits that improve the domestic dog as a whole.

Now say, as per your recommendations, these breeders stop. What's left? "Oops" litters and strays. Backyard breeders. Random breedings. Not to say these dogs don't make great pets, but what about health problems? Temperament issues? Working ability? Absolutely nothing is being done to improve the health and well-being of dogs. In fact, you're sending it into a downward spiral.

 

[Sunnierhawk0]

No, Red, you are not contributing to the mixed breed population, but you are contributing to the dog population, and you even say that you would give a mixed breed a home, which I assume means you would train it and love it and make a useful animal of it. I personally have no problem with promoting a breed or a type of dog, or breeding them. I just wonder how you can justify breeding them, and at the same time argue that there are plenty of dogs in animal shelters. Purebreds show up there too, you know.

Yes, pure breds show up in shelters, but they are NOT from your RESPONSIBLE breeders. They are from the breeders who sell you a puppy, and thats it. They dont keep in touch, they dont care about what happens to the dogs. Resposnible breeder's dogs do NOT end up in shelters.

 

[lakotasong]

Why does anyone, including "responsible purebred breeders" have a right to breed dogs, before every animal in the nation's animal shelters is adopted? It seems to me that with the philosophy presented on this thread, no one should deliberately try to create a litter of pups, as there are already more than enough unwanted dogs in the world waiting for homes. Think about it.

Ahhh... The desperate, failed logic of a backyard breeder.

 

[Red_ACD_for_me]

No, Red, you are not contributing to the mixed breed population, but you are contributing to the dog population, and you even say that you would give a mixed breed a home, which I assume means you would train it and love it and make a useful animal of it. I personally have no problem with promoting a breed or a type of dog, or breeding them. I just wonder how you can justify breeding them, and at the same time argue that there are plenty of dogs in animal shelters. Purebreds show up there too, you know.

First off I don't breed, won't breed, and purchased my dog from a "responsible" breeder who shows her dogs as well as tests them for any genetic defects such as BAER and PRA which runs in my breed of choice before any breeding takes place. My breeder nor myself contribute to the over-population of animals and hers don't end up in shelters if someone has a problem or needs to re-home! My breeder takes her offspring that she produces back! Sure plenty of purebreds end up in shelters but those are from the unfortunate BYB'S who produce them who could careless what happens to their offspring once they are out of their sight! Though your intentions maybe good in breeding your mutts it is just not ethical for you to do so IMO!

 

[fillyone]

Why does anyone, including "responsible purebred breeders" have a right to breed dogs, before every animal in the nation's animal shelters is adopted? It seems to me that with the philosophy presented on this thread, no one should deliberately try to create a litter of pups, as there are already more than enough unwanted dogs in the world waiting for homes. Think about it.

Because if no one bred the great lines would be gone and then there would be no healthy dogs.

 

[AnimalLoverCatRescuer]

Because if no one bred the great lines would be gone and then there would be no healthy dogs.

I think you pretty much summed it up right there!

 

[fillyone]

I think you pretty much summed it up right there!

I was a bit short and cranky when I posted that I hope I didn't push too many buttons :lol-sign:

I do however get tired of the "If everyone stopped breeding for x number of years" mentality as the answer to our problems with so many dogs in shelters.

What this nation needs is to find is a means to eliminate the animal as a status symbol. In my opinion if that happened much of the unwanted pet population would disappear.
Can you imagine? No ‘tough guy’ types with Bullie breeds on the end of chains. No “Paris” wannabes with tiny purse dogs tucked under their arm until they found something smaller. No more $2,000.00 mutts being being bred in tiny cages in filth.

Ok, I’m awake now, that was my hippy touchy feely girl

coming out.

But can you imagine…