For the pro-firearm crowd.

[Doberluv]

You obviously never owned a boxer. They do not attack other dogs nor do they attack people. They are actually intimidated and scared in some cases by strangers. :lol-sign: It all depends on how you treat your dog, if you leave them outside on a chain and never give them any attention, of course they will become wild and aggressive.

It doesn't matter. Don't you see? It doesn't matter that a dog doesn't attack people or other dogs. Don't hide your head in the sand and think it won't happen to your breed. There are a lot of breeds on this list that would never be considered very dangerous to most all dog knowledgeable people or people who own these breeds. A Boston terrier? A pug? Puleeeze! A Newfie? They're notorious people lovers who were bred to save people and bring in fishing nets. And a whole lot of other breeds that are being banned or restricted. The whole thing is completely unscientific and it's all caused by stupid people. It doesn't matter what breed you have.


List of 75 Banned or Restricted Dogs

1. AIREDALE TERRIER
2. AKBASH
3. AKITA
4. ALAPAHA BLUE BLOOD BULLDOG
5. ALASKAN MALAMUTE
6. ALSATIAN SHEPHERD
7. AMERICAN BULLDOG
8. AMERICAN HUSKY
9. AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER
10. AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER
11. AMERICAN WOLFDOG
12. ANATOLIAN SHEPHERD
13. ARIKARA DOG
14. AUSTRALIAN CATTLE DOG
15. AUSTRALIAN SHEPHERD
16. BELGIAN MALINOIS
17. BELGIAN SHEEPDOG
18. BELGIAN TURVUREN
19. BLUE HEELER
20. BOERBUL
21. BORZOI
22. BOSTON TERRIER
23. BOUVIER DES FLANDRES
24. BOXER
25. BULLDOG
26. BULL TERRIER
27. BULL MASTIFF
28. CANE CORSO
29. CATAHOULA LEOPARD DOG
30. CAUCASIAN SHEPHERD
31. CHINESE SHAR PEI
32. CHOW-CHOW
33. COLORADO DOG
34. DOBERMAN PINSCHER
35. DOGO DE ARGENTINO
36. DOGUE DE BORDEAUX
37. ENGLISH MASTIFFS
38. ENGLISH SPRINGER SPANIEL
39. ESKIMO DOG
40. ESTRELA MOUNTAIN DOG
41. FILA BRASILIERO
42. FOX TERRIER
43. FRENCH BULLDOG
44. GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG
45. GOLDEN RETRIEVER
46. GREENLAND HUSKY
47. GREAT DANE
48. GREAT PYRANEES
49. ITALIAN MASTIFF
50. KANGAL DOG
51. KEESHOND
52. KOMONDOR
53. KOTEZEBUE HUSKY
54. KUVAZ
55. LABRADOR RETRIEVER
56. LEONBERGER
57. MASTIFF
58. NEOPOLITAN MASTIFF
59. NEWFOUNDLAND
60. OTTERHOUND
61. PRESA DE CANARIO
62. PRESA DE MALLORQUIN
63. PUG
64. ROTTWEILER
65. SAARLOOS WOLFHOND
66. SAINT BERNARD
67. SAMOYED
68. SCOTTISH DEERHOUND
69. SIBERIAN HUSKY
70. SPANISH MASTIFF
71. STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIER
72. TIMBER SHEPHERD
73. TOSA INU
74. TUNDRA SHEPHERD
75. WOLF SPITZ

How's that for scary?

 

[Romy]

You obviously never owned a boxer. They do not attack other dogs nor do they attack people. They are actually intimidated and scared in some cases by strangers. :lol-sign: It all depends on how you treat your dog, if you leave them outside on a chain and never give them any attention, of course they will become wild and aggressive.

The exact same thing can be said of a pit bull. When it comes to banning dogs, the true real life nature of dogs is totally irrelevant. It all comes down to public perception.

If there is any general breed out there that is glad to see a stranger in their home, it is a pit bull. I can't even count how many craigslist ads I see for pits in our area where people are getting rid of them because they wanted a guard dog and the pit was just too friendly. Yet they are the main target of BSL. As are boxers, rotties, dobermans, gsds, certain mastiff types and bulldogs, etc.

Just to give you an example of people's ignorance, I was getting renters insurance and the guy asked what breed of dog we had. I told him a borzoi, and when he wanted clarification I said "You know, Russian wolfhound." He wanted to deny coverage right there, because he thought that meant wolf hybrid. Errr, no.

 

[Boxer100]

List of 75 Banned or Restricted Dogs

1. AIREDALE TERRIER
2. AKBASH
3. AKITA
4. ALAPAHA BLUE BLOOD BULLDOG
5. ALASKAN MALAMUTE
6. ALSATIAN SHEPHERD
7. AMERICAN BULLDOG
8. AMERICAN HUSKY
9. AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER
10. AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER
11. AMERICAN WOLFDOG
12. ANATOLIAN SHEPHERD
13. ARIKARA DOG
14. AUSTRALIAN CATTLE DOG
15. AUSTRALIAN SHEPHERD
16. BELGIAN MALINOIS
17. BELGIAN SHEEPDOG
18. BELGIAN TURVUREN
19. BLUE HEELER
20. BOERBUL
21. BORZOI
22. BOSTON TERRIER
23. BOUVIER DES FLANDRES
24. BOXER
25. BULLDOG
26. BULL TERRIER
27. BULL MASTIFF
28. CANE CORSO
29. CATAHOULA LEOPARD DOG
30. CAUCASIAN SHEPHERD
31. CHINESE SHAR PEI
32. CHOW-CHOW
33. COLORADO DOG
34. DOBERMAN PINSCHER
35. DOGO DE ARGENTINO
36. DOGUE DE BORDEAUX
37. ENGLISH MASTIFFS
38. ENGLISH SPRINGER SPANIEL
39. ESKIMO DOG
40. ESTRELA MOUNTAIN DOG
41. FILA BRASILIERO
42. FOX TERRIER
43. FRENCH BULLDOG
44. GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG
45. GOLDEN RETRIEVER
46. GREENLAND HUSKY
47. GREAT DANE
48. GREAT PYRANEES
49. ITALIAN MASTIFF
50. KANGAL DOG
51. KEESHOND
52. KOMONDOR
53. KOTEZEBUE HUSKY
54. KUVAZ
55. LABRADOR RETRIEVER
56. LEONBERGER
57. MASTIFF
58. NEOPOLITAN MASTIFF
59. NEWFOUNDLAND
60. OTTERHOUND
61. PRESA DE CANARIO
62. PRESA DE MALLORQUIN
63. PUG
64. ROTTWEILER
65. SAARLOOS WOLFHOND
66. SAINT BERNARD
67. SAMOYED
68. SCOTTISH DEERHOUND
69. SIBERIAN HUSKY
70. SPANISH MASTIFF
71. STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIER
72. TIMBER SHEPHERD
73. TOSA INU
74. TUNDRA SHEPHERD
75. WOLF SPITZ

How's that for scary?

Who developed that list? Those people have nothing better to do. Are they paid by the government and elected by the citizens? If yes, we need to go out and vote for people who actually understand the different breeds and are more rational.

 

[Romy]

Who developed that list? Those people have nothing better to do. Are they paid by the government and elected by the citizens? If yes, we need to go out and vote for people who actually understand the different breeds and are more rational.

Now this I actually agree with. And not just having an understanding of different breeds, but an understand of DOGS in general. So many people out there just have no clue. I wonder how many lawmakers believe all that drivel about pits having locking jaws, and dobes' brains growing too big for their heads and making them go insane and kill people.

The scary part is, the people making those lists are the ones getting the different breeds restricted. It is sad, and nonsensical.

 

[KenyiGirl]

Doberluv, where did you get that list? I have a really hard time believing there are groups who are trying to get pugs, french bulldogs, and golden retrievers banned.
There are a lot of big dogs on that list, which are usually the first ones people take offense to.

dobes' brains growing too big for their heads and making them go insane and kill people.

Yeah, I've been told that this happens with cocker spaniels as well

 

[Boxer100]

Doberluv, where did you get that list? I have a really hard time believing there are groups who are trying to get pugs, french bulldogs, and golden retrievers banned.
There are a lot of big dogs on that list, which are usually the first ones people take offense to.

Yeah, I've been told that this happens with cocker spaniels as well

I vote to put Chihuahuas on that list. They can be very mean and nasty even though they are little. I would be scared more of a Chihuahua or a Pekingese than a Pit Bull. :lol-sign:

 

[Zoom]

It's a fairly common list and one that has been around for a couple of years. Goldens often get banned because of size limits, but more and more because crappy breeders have introduced both human and dog aggression into the breed. The rest are on there due to mainly ignorance and an isolated few bad experiences.

 

[Boxer100]

It's a fairly common list and one that has been around for a couple of years. Goldens often get banned because of size limits, but more and more because crappy breeders have introduced both human and dog aggression into the breed. The rest are on there due to mainly ignorance and an isolated few bad experiences.

If there are size limits, they should also ban Hummers and SUVs from the road. They take up too much space and are a hazard to the tiny Japanese vehicles. Banning a breed because of size does not make any sense. That list was probably made by someone who does not like dogs in general and then spread virally across the Internet to scare people and make them believe their dogs will get banned.

These posts have nothing to do with the topic of this thread, but the posts got very interesting, more than talking about guns. :rofl1:

 

[4dogs3cats]

You obviously never owned a boxer. They do not attack other dogs nor do they attack people. They are actually intimidated and scared in some cases by strangers. :lol-sign: It all depends on how you treat your dog, if you leave them outside on a chain and never give them any attention, of course they will become wild and aggressive.

If there are size limits, they should also ban Hummers and SUVs from the road. They take up too much space and are a hazard to the tiny Japanese vehicles. Banning a breed because of size does not make any sense. That list was probably made by someone who does not like dogs in general and then spread virally across the Internet to scare people and make them believe their dogs will get banned.

These posts have nothing to do with the topic of this thread, but the posts got very interesting, more than talking about guns. :rofl1:

Thats the point. Its not the pitbull as a breed that is a problem.

I am telling you right now I could take in tons of beagles, beat them and make them vicious. Fight them. Kill them. torture them.

Put a child in with one of those beagles and it would die. JUST LIKE THE PIBULLS THAT ATTACKS HUMANS.

People dont get it. A pitbull was BRED for DA so it takes a special person to keep them SAFE from the stereotype.

JUST LIKE a GUN was MADE to SEVERELY injure who it was aimed at. And it takes a special (read: well trained) person to handle a gun properly.

If we ban pitbulls and we ban guns- the ONLY people who are going to have pitbulls and guns are THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CAUSING THE SO CALLED NEED FOR THEM TO BE BANNED IN THE FIRST PLACE!

I am NOT yelling at you, I am just caps locking the most important parts.

I do not own a pitbull. I do not own a gun. Yet I will fight for YOUR right to own both, one, or neither. It is YOUR decision. It should be kept YOUR decision.

:: BIG DRAMATIC SIGH ::

 

[Buckshot]

Who developed that list? Those people have nothing better to do. Are they paid by the government and elected by the citizens? If yes, we need to go out and vote for people who actually understand the different breeds and are more rational.

So you can see the flaw with people who know very little about an issue and believe everything the media spins on an issue? Many people who own firearms are as willing to give them up as you are your dog. Most people handle them responsibly but you never hear about the gun/dog that didnt hurt someone. You dont hear of the responsible firearm/dog owner. The media isnt in the business of educating people, it is in the business of making money. Boring stories dont sell and public hysteria sells like hot cakes. Public hysteria elects people and adopts policies as well. Finally, I do agree with you we do need to elect people who are more rational.

 

[Lilavati]

Just like licensing a driver makes them responsible. It is a more in your face way, if another administration (or possibly this one) decides to confiscate. I am a much bigger fan of in your face stuff than behind your back stuff like the background check. All licensing will do for guys like me is make me an outlaw. I am just an average guy who wouldnt hurt any one unless provoked. I mind my own business and dont create victims, but you are willing to vote to make me and many thousands like me into criminals. Empowering government.....cant we see the misery on massive scale that has caused in the world

I said we'd disagree . Licensing a driver creates a "floor" . . . they physically how to operate a car, and they have been informed what the rules are and they have sunk in enough to pass a basic test. It doesn't do much else. However, you can refuse a license, or take one away, from someone who has proven themselves irresponsible (or unable, my grandmother just lost her drivers license, and that was actually a relief). It doesn't make anyone responsible, because nothing can. People have free will and the ability to do what they like. All it does is make sure that they were told the right way to do things, and that they haven't been seriously irresponsible in the past. But that's much better than nothing . . . to me anyway.

I agree with you about empowering the government causing misery, but we have a very different take on the probability of the government confiscating guns, or this significantly empowering them. I think that it is becoming less likely, partially because fewer and fewer people support it, and the Supreme Court is definately against it. In fact, I think it becomes even less likely if guns were normallized, by a system that made people feel more comfortable about them. That's where we differ . . . I don't think its likely that anyone is coming to confiscate your guns, and I think licensing system makes it less likely. I also think that if they DO decide to confiscate your guns, a licensing system might make it easier, but they will be knocking down every door in the country, and we're all screwed anyway. But as I said . . . we will differ on this issue. It is my nature, and my profession, to seek comprimise, and to address everyone's concerns. There are rights on which I will not bend at all, because I think comprimise is inheriently dangerous . . . but I don't think that gun rights are among them.

The Founding Fathers did break the law, and I'm glad they did . . . but I don't see a violent revolution suceeding here anytime soon. I have no desire to make you a criminal, and, in fact, you aren't the sort of person I am worried much about . . . but there's no way to write a law that only applies to some people. I'd actually say this should be left to state and local authority . . . except that in most cases, they would be MORE oppressive than the Feds.

 

[Barb04]

I do agree that we are afraid of what we don't know.

I never wanted to look at or touch a gun. Now I love going to the range to do target shooting. I'm a responsible gun owner and proud of it.

Buckshot, I never heard that before about the NRA. Interesting.

 

[Buckshot]

Buckshot, I never heard that before about the NRA. Interesting.

I dont only go toe to toe with anti gun owners, I go toe to toe with middle ground and die hard gun owners who think the NRA is our savior. The NRA has supported a great many laws regarding guns. They are in favor of mandatory sentencing on gun related crimes (5 years hard time and 10 if the gun is fired). I wonder how that will go when people like me refuse registration and get caught at it. Actually, you can google up canada and see how it went for them. They argue against the laws but then comply with them. After a few years pass its like we couldnt live without the law. If you are an NRA member I invite you to call them and ask for yourself, I dont like bashing an organization that many people really have faith in so heres their # 1-877-NRA-2000

Ask them some tough questions, you will be shocked.

 

[Dizzy]

YouTube - The Gun Thing - Eddie Izzard

 

[Zoom]

If there are size limits, they should also ban Hummers and SUVs from the road. They take up too much space and are a hazard to the tiny Japanese vehicles. Banning a breed because of size does not make any sense. That list was probably made by someone who does not like dogs in general and then spread virally across the Internet to scare people and make them believe their dogs will get banned.

These posts have nothing to do with the topic of this thread, but the posts got very interesting, more than talking about guns. :rofl1:

Actually, it has everything to do with this topic. It's directly related to the fact that people want to ban/outlaw/destroy what they don't like or what they fear. The majority of people out there fear guns because they only hear the bad side or had a bad experience. The majority of people out there want to ban certain dogs for the same reason.

There is no logical sense behind knee-jerk bans, I know I've said this to you before. That's what is so effed up about BSL (and anti-gun laws)...I'm beginning to think you've never heard of it before and so don't understand the severity of the situation. Now, I'm not a die-hard gun owner but I do believe in my right to protect myself and my family. I'm not a "pitbull" owner but I do believe in my right to own my dog of choice. I've been turned down for an apartment because of my Aussie..because he has "Shepherd" in his name and as everyone "knows", all shepherd dogs are "vicious". It's stupid and that's what scary, that so many people are willing to blindly go along with rampant stupidity under the guise that by doing so, they are somehow making things "safer". In reality, it's doing nothing of the sort. It's like putting a band-aid over a bullet wound (to keep with the gist of the thread)...it does absolutely nothing to solve the bigger problem, just makes the outward appearance a little easier to ignore.

 

[Dakotah]

First off... I LOVE that sign!

Second of all... I will never EVER be ok with ANYONE removing my right to own a gun. EVER!

Ditto.

 

[LauraLeigh]

Not everyone here in Canada is complying I know of a great many who never to this day have registered any of their firearms, and even more than that who registered a couple but not all of them.... I will not say what group we fall in on here..... LOL

 

[Buckshot]

Not everyone here in Canada is complying I know of a great many who never to this day have registered any of their firearms, and even more than that who registered a couple but not all of them.... I will not say what group we fall in on here..... LOL

Many Canadians have had firearms confiscated just like in Australia. Yet, many gun owners here are ok with the idea of registration. We refuse to learn from history and we will throw our brothers under the bus for a little more control over the people. I salute those in Canada who have stuck to their guns. I am certainly sorry for those who have been jailed because of non compliance. I wish we would learn from your experience but we wont, we seem to only be able to learn from our own. We are willing to jail thousands of innocent people who have never created a victim if it makes a few of us feel more secure. If you are in the group of hold outs my hats off to ya
:hail::hail::hail:

 

[Boxer100]

Not everyone here in Canada is complying I know of a great many who never to this day have registered any of their firearms, and even more than that who registered a couple but not all of them.... I will not say what group we fall in on here..... LOL

Why do you need more than 1 gun or a couple as you pointed out? Are you fighting an army of terrorists or criminals? :lol-sign:

 

[Zoom]

Why do you need more than one dog? Are you running a puppymill or fighting ring? :lol-sign: