Favorite specimens of your breed
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My first boss had an accidental breeding (truly, unlike many "Oh, did I do that?" accidents) of dad and daughter. The breeding produced two pups, one died very young and the other had a slew of medical issues such as an enlarged heart, vision issues, and behavioral quirks. It did however have the absolute best coat and conformation for a toy american eskimo dog she'd ever seen. Thank god she made the right choice and did not breed her, it was an internal struggle for a moment with the beauty of that pup but some things are far more important than looks and production of puppies.
I'll take my hearing, seeing, not as beautiful, but sound for performance dogs any day over a risk like that.
I'll take my hearing, seeing, not as beautiful, but sound for performance dogs any day over a risk like that.
Are you talking about brachycephalic dogs? Brachiocephalic is an artery. Unless you're referring to people breeding dogs with Brachiocephalic arteries, which doesn't really make sense.
And are you seriously comparing Brachycephalic dogs to puppies who are born without EYES?? Because if so... wow. You do realize that the problems in double merle puppies are often so severe that they have to be put to sleep, right? So a dog with minor breathing problems or a dog without eyes or a dog who is to screwed up to live... hmm.
This is clearly NOT an ethical dog breeder. I don't give a rats behind about how awesome Casper's puppies are- that matters little. Did she mention whether or not any of the puppies that were born in Casper's litter had to be PTS?
Ohhhh wow... he only lost *half* his hearing. That probably doesn't matter when he's herding, right? Or... maybe his breeder doesn't care about working ability...
Yeah no. This is not OK in my book and I do not understand why the he** anyone would knowingly do this or support this.
You say "other people do it" Yeah, you're **** right they do, and they're also completely unethical. Didn't your parents ever tell you that whole cliche line about if everyone jumped off a bridge?
And are you seriously comparing Brachycephalic dogs to puppies who are born without EYES?? Because if so... wow. You do realize that the problems in double merle puppies are often so severe that they have to be put to sleep, right? So a dog with minor breathing problems or a dog without eyes or a dog who is to screwed up to live... hmm.
This is clearly NOT an ethical dog breeder. I don't give a rats behind about how awesome Casper's puppies are- that matters little. Did she mention whether or not any of the puppies that were born in Casper's litter had to be PTS?
Ohhhh wow... he only lost *half* his hearing. That probably doesn't matter when he's herding, right? Or... maybe his breeder doesn't care about working ability...
Yeah no. This is not OK in my book and I do not understand why the he** anyone would knowingly do this or support this.
You say "other people do it" Yeah, you're **** right they do, and they're also completely unethical. Didn't your parents ever tell you that whole cliche line about if everyone jumped off a bridge?
Just want to point out something quick, not saying I support that breeder or anything as I don't have any knowledge of them at all...
If you breed a double merle with a known solid, you will produce of litter of merles. Genetically there is no option for a double merle being born which means no chance of sensory defects. The pupil problem and the deafness are not hereditary.
If you breed a double merle with a known solid, you will produce of litter of merles. Genetically there is no option for a double merle being born which means no chance of sensory defects. The pupil problem and the deafness are not hereditary.
Gotta agree with this. Casper is GORGEOUS. And not just because of his color. From what little I know about Cardis, he has a beautiful head and looks to be overall very well balanced. Even if there wasn't one single dog with as good of structure, I would still not breed him. I'll take a healthy dog any day over a wonderfully structured dog. I am very, very glad to hear he hasn't produced any dogs with his problems. But was that a guarantee before deciding to breed him? Not neutering him or keeping him away from any female in heat is getting close to the peak of unethical breeding.
One problem with this is that in some of the breeds there other eye problems that are unrelated to the merle effect which, as a result of M/M-caused eye anomalies, cannot be screened for prior to breeding the dog. So unless the dog is cleared by parentage (for those eye issues which can be so cleared) you are just rolling the dice.
But yeah no argument that you will not be creating more M/M pups in that case.
But yeah no argument that you will not be creating more M/M pups in that case.
Hmm. That is interesting. In essence, there is really no chance for health problems such as deafness or blindness in the pups if bred to a solid? If that is true, then I guess I'm a bit stumped as to what the problems is with breeding said dog? If there truly is not chance for deaf/blind pups when bred to a solid and structure is assumed to be good.
Totally random. but I have serious <3 for Blackie. He played Maximillian in the Hugo film
He has the funniest video interview with the director and did such a great job in the film! He just seems like such an awesome dog!
He has the funniest video interview with the director and did such a great job in the film! He just seems like such an awesome dog!
That's my point. Shai did bring up a good point though, any health screening of his eyes would be void because of his existing condition due to his color. In that case I would look at the surrounding health history in past generations and weigh the odds if I liked his structure enough to risk a hereditary eye problem from cropping up.
EXACTLY. ALL OF HIS PUPPIES ARE 100% HEALTHY. HE IS LIVING A HEALTHY, AMAZING LIFE. HE IS NOT BEING BRED TO OTHER MERLES, this breeder has never bred a double merle litter! Yes, Whisper, it is a guarantee that he will never produce a double merle, as he is never being bred with another merle dog. He's a stunning dog, with a wonderful personality and amazing confo and he's producing stunning puppies. His siblings are all champions.
OwnedbyBCs, I did mean Brachycephalic, my phone autocorrected it. I know several people (one of them my sister) with Brachycephalic dogs who had to euthanize them at a very young age due to heart & breathing problems caused by their extreme breeding. Yes, that does compare to a dog born with no eyes. That's awful, but there are risks in breeding dogs and the risks can be heightened or minimized based on the breeder's choices. Casper and his sister Wendy were the only double merles in the litter, both owned and loved by Kim, both working dogs with vision & hearing who have a great life. I don't go with the crowd, actually, I go with my feelings on issues based on spending over half of my life handling, training and working in the dog industry and working with some of the most reputable dog people in my area. If I did go with the crowd, I'd bow out and apologize profusely for admiring Casper. But I'd rather speak my piece than bend to downright hateful criticism.
I respect that this is your opinion. I'm obviously not going to change it... as you seem monumentally offended & are seeing all merle x merle breedings as BAD, regardless. You can call this breeder, who has dedicated decades to the breed and has some of the nicest dogs in the breed, a bad breeder. I know a whole slew of people who would call you a bad BC breeder for showing your dogs. It's all a matter of opinion.
OwnedbyBCs, I did mean Brachycephalic, my phone autocorrected it. I know several people (one of them my sister) with Brachycephalic dogs who had to euthanize them at a very young age due to heart & breathing problems caused by their extreme breeding. Yes, that does compare to a dog born with no eyes. That's awful, but there are risks in breeding dogs and the risks can be heightened or minimized based on the breeder's choices. Casper and his sister Wendy were the only double merles in the litter, both owned and loved by Kim, both working dogs with vision & hearing who have a great life. I don't go with the crowd, actually, I go with my feelings on issues based on spending over half of my life handling, training and working in the dog industry and working with some of the most reputable dog people in my area. If I did go with the crowd, I'd bow out and apologize profusely for admiring Casper. But I'd rather speak my piece than bend to downright hateful criticism.
I respect that this is your opinion. I'm obviously not going to change it... as you seem monumentally offended & are seeing all merle x merle breedings as BAD, regardless. You can call this breeder, who has dedicated decades to the breed and has some of the nicest dogs in the breed, a bad breeder. I know a whole slew of people who would call you a bad BC breeder for showing your dogs. It's all a matter of opinion.
Oh yes.. because me showing my dogs is totally the same 
I have never had to kill a puppy. I have never had a puppy born without hearing, or vision, or without eyes. That is entirely different, and if someone seriously said that me showing my BCs who work stock as much as I can possibly manage was WORSE than the possibility of having to PTS a puppy? I would tell them that they are freaking moronic.
So they're famous, so what? One of the most respected, popular, and famous breeders in BCs regularly breeds dogs with hip dysplasia. I don't give a crap about someone's credentials, if they're intentionally breeding a litter that could effect the puppy's life forever, they are completely unethical in my book.
So they're famous, so what? One of the most respected, popular, and famous breeders in BCs regularly breeds dogs with hip dysplasia. I don't give a crap about someone's credentials, if they're intentionally breeding a litter that could effect the puppy's life forever, they are completely unethical in my book.
What a knack for personally mocking me for taking things personally! I don't take kindly to being called disgusting, gross and sad. Literally I was called that... I am a dog lover & responsible dog owner & I'm very well educated in dogs. It sucks when multiple people treat you like a moron and berate you for your opinion. UGH so over Chaz... it really didn't used to be like this, but it seems like this happens in every single thread I post my opinion in, I get ganged up on. I guess I'm not elitist or close-minded enough to fit in with the clique.
UGH so over Chaz... it really didn't used to be like this, but it seems like this happens in every single thread I post my opinion in, I get ganged up on. I guess I'm not elitist or close-minded enough to fit in with the clique.