Do you like dogs with docked tails?

[Dizzy]

They probably won't know what freedom from governement oppression looks like either. It is happening here too as we're following in those same footsteps.

Oh give over ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We probably have just as much if not MORE freedom than you lot...

We're not a backward 3rd world country ruled with an iron fist.

The cropping ban came in YEARS and YEARS ago before I was born...... It didn't start a downward spiral into oppression :rofl1:

We have more freedom with our dogs than you lot for starters.... we live in a dog friendly country - we can walk them with MUCH ease. Amongst other things...

That was funniest statement of the week

 

[Dizzy]

Most other European countries have docking bans, and I can tell you they're probably even more free still.

 

[Dekka]

I don't know if you are MORE free. Different Free. You can't hunt with your dogs.

 

[Kayota]

I like playing with the little nub. I can't tell you why XD The only docked dog I've had was a min pin.

 

[Sweet72947]

And with all due respect, this indicates just how much knowledge you actually have about docking.

MILLIMETERS turn into inches when a dog grows up. To get a proper tail on a Rottie without it turning into a 4" handle later, the tail has to be docked VERY short.

I prefer a Milton tail, but be that as it may, you get some Mikey type tails too when you are doing puppies at 2 days of age. I want SHORT because I do NOT want re-done later when anesthesia is required.

I speak from experience on this issue. Not sure how many others do. My puppies start screaming the MOMENT they are held and restrained for docking. They scream for the shaving. They give a big OWWIE when the tail is snipped, and they cry during the stitching.

The MOMENT they are put back in their basket, they are quiet. I have observed or held EVERY puppy I have ever had docked. Docking is my personal choice for my breed, and it is to the breed standard. Dogs used for herding, carting, manwork, etc, have real reasons to be docked. My dogs will be docked as long as it remains legal in this country.

That is my own personal choice, and beyond that, not really anyone else's business.

Docking and cropping is where the ARs began to erode our rights. They continue, apparently unabated.

I wasn't talking about little baby puppies, I was talking about a fully-grown adult dog who has nothing but a bump of spine where their tail used to be. I have seen quite a few dogs like this, mostly rottweilers. Perhaps they docked short in puppyhood to attempt to get a proper tail as you have explained, I don't know. Or perhaps they were inexperienced and docked incorrectly, as most of the rottweilers I have met have been through rescue, and were obviously not well bred. I was just saying my preference would be to have a few inches of tail there, not just a butt bump.

But I'm not out there docking puppy tails, and I'm not trying to take anybody's rights away to dock tails. That's the owner's business.

While we're on this subject, I also hate the earless look on dogs (except CAS, they look good). I like a nice ear crop, but when I see a pit bull at rescue with ears cut to his skull, it makes me a little sad.

 

[Dizzy]

I don't know if you are MORE free. Different Free. You can't hunt with your dogs.

Incorrect.

We can. And people still do.

 

[Dekka]

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts2004/ukpga_20040037_en_1

Many people do.. but its still illegal. So its more free to break the laws?

(not that they make any sence!)

It is an offence to hunt a wild mammal with a dog
Some forms of hunting are exempt including:
Using no more than two dogs to flush out a mammal to be shot
Flushing a mammal from cover in connection with falconry
It is a defence to believe that the hunting was exempt

So you can't hunt with dogs, but you can chase fox with hounds so it can be killed by a falcon? Umm if that isn't a stupid law.....

Terriermen (and women) can't hunt with their dogs...

 

[saffie]

I like a tail on a dog, so I don't like docked tails. Docking tails is illegal for some time now in the Netherlands, and I'm glad it is. You can't even show your dog here if it's tail is docked, except when you bought it in a country where docking is legal.

I can understand a docked tail for a working dog, but not for household dogs just because the breed standard sais so, because there was once a reason for it and because it looks good. I'm having a hard time to understand that.

I don't understand the injury thing for that matter. I find it kind of shocking that tails need to be docked because puppy's of a certain breed will injure them, it might just say something about the condition of the tails also. If you always dock tails, then there isn't any selection within breeding on how the tails look and how strong they are.

 

[Dizzy]

I am not being funny, but I live here, and I live in a rural area at that.

People still work their dogs.

A docking ban is not even in the same league as stopping people maiming the wildlife.

You have to remember, most of our wildlife is in SMALL numbers - badger, foxes, deer etc..... Other than rabbits they're not ten a penny. Our rural areas are getting smaller, and our wildlife is diminishing.

But it doesn't stop people.

 

[Dekka]

true... not arguing.. but it makes you less free. People don't have the choice, its forced on them. Either they take it, or they break the law.

edited to add, tho you can still hunt and kill them, just with other methods...

 

[CaliTerp07]

I can understand a docked tail for a working dog, but not for household dogs just because the breed standard sais so, because there was once a reason for it and because it looks good. I'm having a hard time to understand that.

I agree completely.

That said, thanks to those who posted about why docking was started/could be useful for working dogs. I learned something today

 

[Dizzy]

And in the US you can get stupid prison sentences for possession of cannabis right? Or some other daft things.... yeah, we have some stupid laws. Doesn't make us less "free". Freedom is an emotive term and means different things to different people.

We could go on comparing stupid laws all day.

 

[Dekka]

Umm I don't live in the US and you can happily have small amounts of cannabis on you here We can do things American's can't and vice versa.

But you said you were more free with your dogs (and didn't say how) I simply pointed out another way that you were less free.

 

[Laurelin]

I think I answered the wrong question. I put no because I don't prefer docked tails over tails. I'm now thinking that wasn't exactly the question.

 

[saffie]

I guess it works that way with a lot of things. We can walk our dogs offleash and own any breed we want (since a couple of months), and no we can't hunt with our dogs. Only retrieving. But then I guess US and Canada have a lot more wildlife and bigger area's that are suitable for hunting then the Netherlands.

 

[xpaeanx]

that was the original question.... as with chaz... it mutated.

 

[Doberluv]

I agree Dizzy about the stupid laws and our insane justice system...punishing minor crimes and going easy on dangerous criminals....It's nuts! We have child molesters living in neighborhoods as long as they're "registered." And people who have a little pot on them thrown in the slammer. Ridiculous!

What my point is, is that the more regulations the goverment imposes and takes out of the hands of the people, the more power and control some small group (the government officials) have. If they're given an inch, they take a mile and continue. And yes, it is definitely happening here.

What I meant was that in 10 years if children now won't know what a docked tail looks like, by that time, they'll probably also not know the freedoms the people had before. More and more governement control over small matters such as tail docking is not a good thing IMO. It should be left up to dog owners, people who know what they're talking about and should not be a political issue at all.

America use to be very free and stick to a constitution created by our founders. That no longer is strictly the case. And it's getting more and more socialistic. Very sad state of affairs IMO. And when people want their political leaders to do everything for them, to regulate this and that and the other thing, make insignificant laws about this and laws about that....freedom is lost because increasing control is given over to these few leaders to have the opportunity to oppress the people with regulations and control. And it is sickening to me because I DO remember America well before 10 years ago. And my parents remember America 90 years ago. And I hear stories and read about what has happened in Europe and other socialized countries a long time ago and I can see America doing the same things.

 

[Zoom]

Docking bans bother me on one very selfish level (among others)...as I stated before, Aussies are a docked breed in regards to those pups who weren't born with a NBT. There are those out there who see no problem requiring owners of NBT dogs to carry papers stating such a fact. I find that ridiculous beyond measure. There are those who would like to see the same thing occur here in the US. See above for my opinion on that.

 

[Dekka]

Doberluv.. yep.. stupid BSL..

So Saffie.. you have no leash laws at all? You can go walk down town/any town with an off leash dog?

(and there are places in US/Canada where you can do that too)

 

[Laurelin]

that was the original question.... as with chaz... it mutated.

Okay, then I stand by what I answered, lol! In general I'd rather a dog have a tail.