Cropping and docking illegal in New York

[corgipower]

As for docking this is amputating the tail of a dog which in fact is removing an important body part used for balance, maneuvering, and communication.

Have you ever seen a docked dog?? Watched them interact with other dogs? Watched them work and play?

Funny how my two corgis with their docked tails have no trouble with balance, maneuvering and communicating. In fact, they do better at those three things than my malinois who do have tails.

Rottweilers and often other herding breeds were often kept/stables with the livestock they worked. They had tails removed to prevent them from picking up a big hard ball of fecal matter on the end, which would bang on the hocks and cause infected sores. Removing the tail eliminated this.

Yea, see, I have trouble here. There are herding breeds and LSG breeds who do have tails and do just fine.

I've heard people say that the pemmies tail was docked to prevent injury, and as a pemmie owner, that just doesn't make sense to me. The natural pemmie tail is spitz-like. It's carried over the back. It's thick and has a nice coat of fur to protect it. It's not so likely to drag on the ground, get caught in things, get stepped on, etc. And the cardi never had to have his tail docked, yet both breeds originated as cattle drivers in Wales.

The other reason I have read many times is that dogs with tails were taxed. Working and herding dogs were docked because they were tax-exempt.

 

[noodlerubyallie]

It surprises me that this bill is specific to dogs - I know the one they tried to pass in IL was livestock and dogs. It appears that the supporters of this bill think that pet owners are a much smaller and weaker group than farmers....I'm glad that it didn't pass.

I'm sad that some of the replies on this thread make us look like we would turn on one another the instant a bill like this shows up. If you don't like cropping and docking, that's fine. Don't do it to your dog, don't buy a dog that is cropped and docked. However, there are those of us who love dogs that ARE that way, and I would hope that fellow dog lovers would support the others in the right to choose.

I DO think that if we allow legislation like this to pass, soon spaying/neutering legislation would follow, along with a lot more BSL. America is different from Europe, and using the argument that it hasn't happened there (YET) isn't a vaild one either.

Once you allow the AR agenda in, harsher and more restrictive pet-owning bills WILL be introduced. It may be years after, but they will find more and more supporters. We must support each other NOW, and leave our differences aside.

 

[smkie]

matts are horrible and nothing but the results of neglectful ownership. Fly wipe is not very expensive and easy to use. I have had dogs with ears all my life and have not suffered injury or insects problems. Very few people actually use their dogs to drive carts, or work the field. I have a pointer with a tail and he has yet to break it running in the brush which he does weekly. I don't find that a viable arguement. I have owned a docked dog, it was done before i got him. If i had my choice i would have said leave it no matter how skinny and pitiful it looks. For pointers i truly believe it is just cosmetic. Becuase they were kept in kennels which is not right imo and would wag them against the fence resulting in a bloody tip. Made it easier for people is the purest reason there.

 

[noodlerubyallie]

Also, Dobermans were cropped and docked as they were personal protection - it is much, much harder to grab a dog with erect ears and a very small tail. Same reason they were mostly black and red - hard to see in the dark. Same reason their coat is very short and smooth and their skin is tight - very hard to grab. Same reason they are deep chested and have tight, muscular bodies - very fast and agile. Same reason they are so intelligent and read people well - had to discern who was friend or foe.

Everything was done for a reason.

 

[Groch]

Once you allow the AR agenda in, harsher and more restrictive pet-owning bills WILL be introduced. It may be years after, but they will find more and more supporters. We must support each other NOW, and leave our differences aside.

This is EXACTLY the false argument used by the very cruelest most blatant puppy mill owners to block all Puppy mill legislation. It is the same dumb argument used by those in favor of dog fighting and cock fighting...that it is an individual right and the next step is communist concentration camps. If we do ANYTHING to limit cruelty of any kind, then disaster will strike us all!!!! The SKY is FALLING!!!

Sorry, but I do not believe I must leave my differences with these nutcases aside....EVER. Nor will I leave my differences with PETA aside. I will make my decisions based upon my own best judgment, not upon what they do, for or against.

If you are in favor of laws against cropping it does not mean you are a nut. (The American Veterinary Association, by far the biggest Vet group is opposed to cropping...they are not nuts).

How do you feel about the rights of owners who are against cropping/docking and may want to show their dogs in AKC competition where cropping/docking is part of the breed standard.

If you are really for free choice, why not protest the AKC's support of breed standards that REQUIRE docking.

 

[SizzleDog]

Perhaps you're lucky then smkie. Over the years of working at a clinic and a state veterinary teaching hospital, I've seen many tail injuries that eventually had to be amputated... the worst was one of our own blood donor dogs, he went through more than a year of pain and suffering from his poor split-open tail, and eventually they made the decision to amputate. Taking care of that poor adult dog with an amputated tail was horrible, his recovery took a very long time.

This wasn't a pet dog, or a farm dog. This was a dog that lived at a state veterinary teaching hospital... if his tail could have been saved, they would have saved it.

I still remember coming in to work, and needing to get a ladder to replace the ceiling tiles that were spattered with blood. That was, of course, after I was done scrubbing the walls and taking the poor dog to have his tail rebandaged, sticking a muzzle and a soft-e-collar on him to prevent him from chewing off the bandage.

It was really sad, I felt so bad for him. Granted, he wasn't a breed that is docked, but I couldn't help but see a Doberman in his place. They have the same bony, thin, unprotected tails.

 

[smkie]

How did he injure it? Was he kept in a run? Must be lucky then, Mary has never injured hers. THen again, she has never been in a chain link run which was narrow? Even so my boss kept labs in runs and it was a very rare occurance indeed if they harmed their tail and then it was a matter of moving them to the bigger runs. Not saying it doens't happen. BUt it has never happened to any of mine in 40 years. With your reasoning, all dogs would be docked.

 

[Renee750il]

If you are really for free choice, why not protest the AKC's support of breed standards that REQUIRE docking.

Because there is a difference between a PRIVATE, individual club setting their own standards and rules and the government DICTATING to all of us. If you don't like the private club's rules, don't join. It doesn't affect you in any way. It doesn't cost you any tax dollars to enforce. It doesn't create any dangerous legal or legislative precedents.

And, just for the record in case there's anyone who doesn't already know, I am NOT a fan of the AKC in any way, shape or form. But as a private organization they have the proprietary discretion to set their own standards. If enough members disagree with the standard, they can work to change it.

Legislation doesn't work. It's just an expensive sop to cry babies and cowards.

 

[bubbatd]

Red .... notice I didn't say " docking " !! I can understand why some favor it , though I've never had a tail injury . I mean the first to make flappy ears into pointy ears . To me they even look more fragile ( except the rosebud ears )

 

[babymomma]

Oh dear god.. Seriously? They are trying to stop docking ? Why dont these people go after the people that declaw cats..That is actually cruel .. Docking is not cruel.. Cropping, er, i dunno where i stand about that.. i dont know enough about it to have an opinion on the matter really..

 

[smkie]

I totally agree on the cat's claws one hundred percent. THat is beyond cruel.

 

[Groch]

OK, I'm Convinced!

OK, I'm Convinced.

Just one question.

How long do I have to wait
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before the bandages come off?

 

[bubbatd]

^^^^ that's a riot !!!

 

[smkie]

Crack me up!:rofl1:

 

[SizzleDog]

Those are not bandages, those are posts. Not very good ones, by the looks of them.

 

[bubbatd]

Come on .... it's a joke !!!!

 

[SizzleDog]

Maybe to you it is. However, ignorance about cropping and cropping aftercare is one of the reasons why so many people have skewed views on it. The photoshopped ears in groch's post are NOT bandaged. But people looking at this thread might think they are, if no one said anything.

 

[smkie]

I have my view from the very beginning of cutting a healthy piece of tissue off of both sides of an animal's head and then forcing a baby to wearing bandages or cones or whatever they put on their wee little heads when there was not a single thing wrong with them in the first place just to make it more appealing. I find that to be obscene.....a joke about it is far less offensive to me.

 

[Inga]

You know the part that gets me about all this? People scream and fight against cropping and docking but there are so many other abuses happening every day and they do and say NOTHING. Go rescue dogs that are being beaten, burned and starved to death or forced to fight. Fight against the mass production in mills and the abuse those breeding animals have to endure every day of their lives. What about Human issues for that matter? People in this world are starving to death and dying of disease and we chose to worry about cropping and docking? I just really do not get it. I have seen both of these surgeries done. I have also seen many puppies after the surgeries. I just really do not see it as that big of a deal in the whole broad scheme of things.
We all have the right to our opinions I just find it odd that those who are against it can't just get breeds that do not require it. I am not telling you guys what to do with your tailed dogs (unless you are beating or starving them) why do you feel the need to tell so many other people what to do with their dogs? I love my dogs. I take wonderful care of my dogs. They have docked tails. Deal with it!

 

[SizzleDog]

I am not telling you guys what to do with your tailed dogs (unless you are beating or starving them) why do you feel the need to tell so many other people what to do with their dogs? I love my dogs. I take wonderful care of my dogs. They have docked tails. Deal with it!

Hear hear! :hail::hail::hail::hail: