CM gets bitten... again (vid included)

[CharlieDog]

Three of mine would have bitten him for that. And it wouldn't have been because there was food in the equation. It would have been for confronting them like that, physically attacking them FIRST and then pursing the attack when they gave the warning to back off.

I guess Enzo is the only dog worth anything because she would have rolled over and peed on herself.

 

[Greenmagick]

Yeah, Ivy is super sweet. She is about as close to bombproof as you can get with my kids. If some strange male came up and threatened her like that....I dont know that she wouldnt fight back..I am betting she probably would.

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

Enzo however would be useless to the pit bull mentality too, they hate dem labs.

 

[Doberluv]

This is something you really don't seem to be getting. At all. That dog did not "attack" because it was resource guarding.... The dog bit Cesar and they weren't even remotely close to the bowl, for Christ's sake. The dog bit because Cesar was attacking and threatening it. If he did that to one of my dogs, he could expect a bite from them as well.

He started out snarling and warning as he was resource guarding his food bowl. He was trying to inhibit his actions with a multitude of calming signals and warning signs. But as Cesar ignored ALL of these and kept on prodding him...antagonizing him with this threatening and aggressive acts, even following the dog as he moved away a little bit, pursuing him..... the dog was no longer resource guarding, but defending himself. It was straight forward defense. He had no space to move away anymore, once he was backed up against the fence and the bush and Cesar's body. There is always plan A and plan B for dogs in this kind of situation. If there is an out, flight... some dogs will go for plan A, to move away. And some dogs will go straight to plan B because plan A has never worked for them before. Then there are those who would like to go with plan A as a first choice, but that being barred, will have no choice but to go to plan B. I suspect that was the case with this dog. If this is the dog's only issue and if it could be handled properly and humanely (never possible with CM)...this dog, I have no doubt could be a happy, well adjusted and safe dog.

 

[Barbara!]

Enzo however would be useless to the pit bull mentality too, they hate dem labs.

Yikes, don't generalize. I promise, Ruby got her head torn off by those on the pit bull forums, too.

 

[Renee750il]

I have never been a violent person -- I've not needed to (so far), but seriously, if I caught someone pushing one of my dogs like that and treating with even half that measure of disrespect they'd probably be better off with a dog bite.

I grew up not being allowed to defend myself, and yes, it does make an impression: I'll not deny that right to anything.

If something attacks, it had better be able to take the consequences, or choose the victim well. Push an animal (or a person) like that, don't whine if you get your ass handed to you. Man up and take the consequences for your actions.

 

[Doberluv]

Chulita is a very submissive, 5 lb dog. But once and only once she did resource guard a tasty bone from me. She growled. That is all. I ran and got something really good out of the fridge and traded her, which she agreed was a good trade. We worked on it a bit and that was that. Of course, she might be an acceptable dog to you Ruby, an exception because even though she almost could have bitten me, and very well might have had I done what CM did to this dog in the video, she hardly has any teeth left so maybe she could have been the exception for you and continued to live if she were yours. :rofl1:

 

[CharlieDog]

Enzo however would be useless to the pit bull mentality too, they hate dem labs.

Rofl. I knowwwww. I don't understand. I mean, I know why *I* hate her (sometimes, ) but why the lab hate?

Aside from the fact that I had to teach her to retrieve And she still doesn't. Which does make her somewhat useless and a y'know, Labrador RETRIEVER, but anyway, I digress.



Also, anyone can take something, anything, even raw meat from my dogs without them so much as blinking. Hell, I had a child come up in Petsmart and try to stick their HEAD in Knox's mouth, and all he did was give me a "wtf?!" when I turned back from the display and found this small child trying to crawl in his mouth. She'd escaped from her mother, and was trying to pry his mouth open. For what reason, I'll never know, but yeah. Interesting conversation.

And for the record, I've dealt with severe resource guarding before. And from what I've seen of the video, Holly is not it. I'm taking a dog who jumped up and grabbed a child by the back of the head and latched on and shook. Because of food. And the kid wasn't even trying to take it, he fell near the dog when he was eating. THAT is severe food aggression. The lacerations left by a dog who MEANS BUSINESS, are much more severe and devastating than a few punctures on a hand.

If she'd really truly meant more than back off, she'd have gone for the face. And probably succeeded. Dogs are much much faster than humans, even dog "trainers". And I hate when someone says "He TRIED TO BITE ME!!!1!!" No, he probably didn't, because if he'd wanted to bite you, he would have. And CM is lucky, because this dog he didn't have on a leash so he could hang her before she got him. She truly truly showed much much more restraint than he did in that encounter.

 

[Doberluv]

I have never been a violent person -- I've not needed to (so far), but seriously, if I caught someone pushing one of my dogs like that and treating with even half that measure of disrespect they'd probably be better off with a dog bite.

I grew up not being allowed to defend myself, and yes, it does make an impression: I'll not deny that right to anything.

If something attacks, it had better be able to take the consequences, or choose the victim well. Push an animal (or a person) like that, don't whine if you get your ass handed to you. Man up and take the consequences for your actions.

True. I agree with your post. The problem is though, the consequences are usually the end of the poor dog, through no fault of his own, but the result of stupid people who think they're entitled to push dogs around, just because they can.

 

[~Jessie~]

the consequences are usually the end of the poor dog, through no fault of his own, but the result of stupid people who think they're entitled to push dogs around, just because they can.

And unfortunately these people think that dogs are just commodities that can be traded out.

This one isn't "worth" much, so let's just go through more of them until we can find one that is "perfect."

Just kill the ones that aren't "worth" anything. And then move on with our life as there are more important things to worry about. No biggie.

 

[AdrianneIsabel]

Yikes, don't generalize. I promise, Ruby got her head torn off by those on the pit bull forums, too.

The tongue face was for teasing purposes.

I just like to tease the "pit bull mentality(mindset)" because its such a silly concept when you really analyze it.

 

[CharlieDog]

The tongue face was for teasing purposes.

I just like to tease the "pit bull mentality(mindset)" because its such a silly concept when you really analyze it.

It's okay, rofl, Enzo really is useless Except if you need a couch held down. She's fantastic at that. :rofl1:

 

[Greenmagick]

I think my biggest issue is the idea of worth. No dog is worth more than another. One can not feel comfortable with different levels of behavior issues and that is fine. I could even maybe see saying I would not have a RG, I would PTS. BUT, the idea that the dog is somehow worthless, a POS, etc is just sickening. Where is the compassion? The understanding? You can be empathetic to the dog and still decide to PTS...but the lack of empathy is just astounding to me.

 

[JessLough]

I liked rubygirl better when she was lovejc and told us we were all bleeding heart pathetic clicker using man bite lovers that waste our time on dogs like these, so effectively the dog should be shot.

RIGHT?

Now go enjoy your manbiters.

 

[Doberluv]

Hey Ruby. Answer this one for me, would ya? My son's dog, who's here almost every day visiting was a severely abused puppy. She was traumatized when getting her nails clipped and would become violently vicious at the mere sight of someone coming toward her with clippers in hand. No vet would do her nails without anesthetizing her. No muzzle was trustworthy on her powerful jaws in their eyes. They really didn't want to mess with her. She was really a basket case.

Other than that, she was submissive in general, submissive- urinating when she'd roll over on her back when anyone came near. She crouched at any loud voices and hid behind chairs. This dog was a pathetic mess. And we all know how frightened dogs are usually the ones who bite.

Fast forward a few years to now. I worked with her on her nails (only took about a week...week and a half) and she has been treated with kid gloves basically, taught things using positive and gentle methods with an occasional verbal scolding kind of voice by my son and even I have told her "enough of that!" or some such thing. If you saw her now, you'd never guess that she was the way she was. She is perfectly fine getting her nails done, has been now for years....even volunteers her paw for the Dremel and gets all excited for the treats that go with it...full body wag.

She is extraordinarily sociable, very friendly and trusting, loves everyone, never shy one little bit. She is a lovely, well mannered and trained dog. She knows all kinds of neat tricks my son has taught her and is willing to learn and VERY intelligent and quick to learn. You can rough house with her, knock her around in play and even tell her to knock it off in a no nonsense voice once in a while for something like too much barking or whatever...But no one is harsh with her. The only time she goes behind a chair is if there are people who are yelling loudly or if there's a foot ball game on and my son and his friends yell at the TV. She doesn't like that, but doesn't cower too much.

Would this have represented a potentially and not potentially (in the case of the nails) dangerous dog and would she have been killed by you if she were yours back when she reacted the way she did with clippers? She never wound up biting anyone because apparently, they backed off with her volatile warnings. I have no doubt that if CM had gotten hold of her, she would have bitten and done so severely...much worse than this dog in the video.

I saw a couple episodes where he forced fearful dogs into getting their nails clipped and he got bitten then too. There is simply no need for that. Those dogs were like 1/100th the level of volatility and risk my son's dog was.

We, in my family love Toker. She is a joy and very trustworthy around kids and everybody. Accidents can happen where she might fallen on or stepped on by a kid and she is completely non-reactive...just licks a lot. She's strong, sturdy and forward moving, never hesitant or reluctant about much of anything. She has no look of shyness in her expression or body language. We have all been blessed to have this lovely dog part of our lives...she's enriched lives that extend beyond our family even.

I can't even begin to imagine giving up on her because of her unstable appearance way back then. Oh, and she didn't even have a normal early puppy hood with litter mates or a Mom, as she was found at 4 weeks old in a garbage bag in a ditch.

 

[Doberluv]

Rofl. I knowwwww. I don't understand. I mean, I know why *I* hate her (sometimes, ) but why the lab hate?

Aside from the fact that I had to teach her to retrieve And she still doesn't. Which does make her somewhat useless and a y'know, Labrador RETRIEVER, but anyway, I digress.



Also, anyone can take something, anything, even raw meat from my dogs without them so much as blinking. Hell, I had a child come up in Petsmart and try to stick their HEAD in Knox's mouth, and all he did was give me a "wtf?!" when I turned back from the display and found this small child trying to crawl in his mouth. She'd escaped from her mother, and was trying to pry his mouth open. For what reason, I'll never know, but yeah. Interesting conversation.

And for the record, I've dealt with severe resource guarding before. And from what I've seen of the video, Holly is not it. I'm taking a dog who jumped up and grabbed a child by the back of the head and latched on and shook. Because of food. And the kid wasn't even trying to take it, he fell near the dog when he was eating. THAT is severe food aggression. The lacerations left by a dog who MEANS BUSINESS, are much more severe and devastating than a few punctures on a hand.

If she'd really truly meant more than back off, she'd have gone for the face. And probably succeeded. Dogs are much much faster than humans, even dog "trainers". And I hate when someone says "He TRIED TO BITE ME!!!1!!" No, he probably didn't, because if he'd wanted to bite you, he would have. And CM is lucky, because this dog he didn't have on a leash so he could hang her before she got him. She truly truly showed much much more restraint than he did in that encounter.

I totally agree with this. And I can attest to it first hand, as I was bitten quite severely by a dog that I was trying to rescue off the top of a fence she appeared to be hanging from, stranded. Long story told before, but that dog really got me a good one that required the services of a hospital emergency room and then reconstructive surgery. I shouldn't have tried to save a freaked out dog but it was reflexive for me. As it turned out, coincidentally, following a quarantine of this dog, the animal control guy said the dog was aggressive to him when he walked into their yard to check on the dog. So, it might not have been the "injured animal" thing entirely.

 

[Doberluv]

And unfortunately these people think that dogs are just commodities that can be traded out.

This one isn't "worth" much, so let's just go through more of them until we can find one that is "perfect."

Just kill the ones that aren't "worth" anything. And then move on with our life as there are more important things to worry about. No biggie.

Such a disgusting thing...so sad.

 

[Barbara!]

And unfortunately these people think that dogs are just commodities that can be traded out.

This one isn't "worth" much, so let's just go through more of them until we can find one that is "perfect."

Just kill the ones that aren't "worth" anything. And then move on with our life as there are more important things to worry about. No biggie.

Who said this, besides Ruby girl?

 

[Muttkip]

Ahhh yes now I remember this Ruby!!! She was eaten alive over on PBC!!

 

[kady05]

Enzo however would be useless to the pit bull mentality too, they hate dem labs.

Hey, I loves Labs I grew up with Labs, actually. I'm the weirdo in the family that switched breeds, everyone else still has Labs.