Circumcision as a criminal act
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We sidestepped that issue by never discussing it with the in laws,lol. However, one of their grandsons lives overseas where it is not common practice, so I think they're more accepting of the idea these days, lol.
For us, it was a joint decision. My husband did not get the only valid opinion simply because he has a penis. It's not his penis we were discussing
In the end, elective cosmetic procedures were not something we could justify.
I'm sure issues can arise either way..doesn't make it common. I know someone who was circumcised late in their teens due to a medical issue, and I also know of a child my son's age who has had two additional surgeries and will have lasting issues from his infant circumcision. Neither option is a guarantee against further issues.
For us, it was a joint decision. My husband did not get the only valid opinion simply because he has a penis. It's not his penis we were discussing
In the end, elective cosmetic procedures were not something we could justify.I'm sure issues can arise either way..doesn't make it common. I know someone who was circumcised late in their teens due to a medical issue, and I also know of a child my son's age who has had two additional surgeries and will have lasting issues from his infant circumcision. Neither option is a guarantee against further issues.
My son is intact. I asked a number (all at once whilst pregnant.. it was an interesting convo) of hockey players who were all 17-19 years of age about how many were cut and how many weren't. Would an uncut boy be out of place in the change room etc... Seems even back then (so 17 plus 12 years as Darien is now 11) it was 50/50
Part of me didn't want to lop off a part God had put there. Or that was natural (depending if I was feeling faithy or sciencey) and also MY OBGYN is strongly against them and says there is not medical reason to put a healthy male child through it. She feels the risks out weigh the small benefits.
Part of me didn't want to lop off a part God had put there. Or that was natural (depending if I was feeling faithy or sciencey) and also MY OBGYN is strongly against them and says there is not medical reason to put a healthy male child through it. She feels the risks out weigh the small benefits.
I disagree with that sentiment. What if the kid grows up and doesn't want to be their particular religion? I'm not of the belief religion should be forced on children, let alone permanent body changes. If the kid wants to later be part of the religion and full-on take all the traditions with it, then he can do it. But the parent's preference shouldn't matter.
Considering most men, even if Christian, are completely horrified of any idea of a medical procedure being done on their penis, I think most would rather it done as a baby and the parents hold the right to do that.
I think it's ridiculous in this country how we are trying to limit people so much. Making more laws "you can't do this, you can't do that". Hey, it's totally fine if your opinion is that it's wrong to get an infant circumcised...but you shouldn't FORCE that opinion on others. Parents have the right as parents to do what they wish to their child as long as it is not physically or emotionally detrimental to the child. Would you also agree to the outlawing of unconsenting children being forced to get braces on their teeth?
I don't think I have ever met a boy or dated one that was sad he was circumcised. The only uncircumcised boy I did date hated the fact that he wasn't.
I think it's ridiculous in this country how we are trying to limit people so much. Making more laws "you can't do this, you can't do that". Hey, it's totally fine if your opinion is that it's wrong to get an infant circumcised...but you shouldn't FORCE that opinion on others. Parents have the right as parents to do what they wish to their child as long as it is not physically or emotionally detrimental to the child. Would you also agree to the outlawing of unconsenting children being forced to get braces on their teeth?
I don't think I have ever met a boy or dated one that was sad he was circumcised. The only uncircumcised boy I did date hated the fact that he wasn't.
Christians have no religious reasons to be circed.
My argumenet is that it IS physically (and sometimes emotionally) detrimental to the boy. It is removing a functional and important part of their sexual organ!
Honestly, I am not sure how I feel about outlawing it. I dont like regulation like that...however, I am horrified at how "normal" it is considered in this country and have a hard time arguing against making it illegal as I do think it is horrible to do to a person without consent. No, comparing it to braces, or cleft palate, or whatever is not at all valid. The closest comparison is clitoral hood circumcision.
Again, religious...I do greatly believe in religious freedom but there is a line. Circumcision (both male and female of some kinds) skirt that line for me.
I don't understand how the comparison between circumcision and braces is invalid. Please explain that to me. It is often claimed in opposing arguments that circumcision is simply cosmetic, and painful to the child. So are braces. They are cosmetic, and they are painful.
Once again, I find it totally fine if someone doesn't agree with circumcision. That's why I'm glad circumcision isn't forced (because that would be imposing on beliefs of others.) So you don't have to get your child circumcised. But it shouldn't be outlawed just because others disagree with it...because that also would be imposing on the beliefs of others.
Once again, I find it totally fine if someone doesn't agree with circumcision. That's why I'm glad circumcision isn't forced (because that would be imposing on beliefs of others.) So you don't have to get your child circumcised. But it shouldn't be outlawed just because others disagree with it...because that also would be imposing on the beliefs of others.
Actually, my argument against it is not about the pain though it is an important consideration. My argument again is the mutilation of a baby boy's penis. It is a cosmetic surgery - meaning risk of death from anesthesia. It can and often does affect the male's sex life for the rest of his life.
And, if my children were really against getting braces, no, I wouldnt do it. They can always get them as adults. Though the main difference is one case is FIXING something that is wrong, the other is changing something that is right.
And, if my children were really against getting braces, no, I wouldnt do it. They can always get them as adults. Though the main difference is one case is FIXING something that is wrong, the other is changing something that is right.
Braces can actually be beneficial, but not on children. Braces typically aren't useful until ALL the teeth come in, and by then, the kid has the choice anyway. I'm not a huge supporter of braces on children for the same reason I'm finding myself not supporting circumcision...there's no reason to do it. Not to mention, as Green said, you're fixing something. Foreskin isn't a defect.
Parents are forcing circumcision on their boys, isn't that imposing your beliefs on genital mutilation on others? No, circumcision isn't required, but it's done with no real reason on those who don't have the choice in the matter, but will live with the sexually-relevant cosmetic surgery for the rest of their lives.
Parents are forcing circumcision on their boys, isn't that imposing your beliefs on genital mutilation on others? No, circumcision isn't required, but it's done with no real reason on those who don't have the choice in the matter, but will live with the sexually-relevant cosmetic surgery for the rest of their lives.
Because a NORMAL foreskin is not equal to an ABnormal bite and tooth arrangement that often causes other issues including abnormal tooth wear and jaw pain.
When I was a kid, the only way you got braces was if your bite was affected, not for cosmetic reasons. Braces don’t remove anything permanently, they don’t require anesthesia, and its not done on infants who have no say. At least by the time the kid is in braces they verbalize their wishes (even though they may not be heard - which is a whole ‘nother can o’ worms).
When I was a kid, the only way you got braces was if your bite was affected, not for cosmetic reasons. Braces don’t remove anything permanently, they don’t require anesthesia, and its not done on infants who have no say. At least by the time the kid is in braces they verbalize their wishes (even though they may not be heard - which is a whole ‘nother can o’ worms).