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Whew !!! Don't get me started . EVERY circumstance is different . If you're teenage parents , unless you have a family to step in , then day care is the only way to go . If you have a career and plan a family , you have to decide which is more important . About 10 years ago , it was stated that unless you made over $50,000 a year , you paid out the same amount for day care , clothes , and fast foods etc. It's the math and your wishes . My daughter was very happy to put her law profession aside when she had Nash until he went to nursery school . Her best friend went the 6 mos old route with Day care ..... and admitted how sad she was to miss out on all the " firsts " . And yes , Nash was/is main streamed to have him experience a " normal life " as he happens to have Down Syndrome . Both he and she would have gone nuts 24/7 ! Being a '50s Mom , that was my profession . And my kids came first . My last, EliN , was the only one to go to nursery school . By then with her brother and sister in school , she needed interaction with other kids. Folks , if you possibly can , keep your babies at home with you or their Daddy . It's so important !
I was waiting for you, Grammy. :)
 

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Thanks ! but I'm sure I'm not popular !!! Who listens to an old fuddy today !
 

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I agree with you showpug, about babies needing their mom...solely. it's a bonding experience, and one that is necessary for development and nurturing. but a 3 yr. old that doesn't have enough exposure to other children (and not everyone finds playgroups, and rural areas don't have mother's groups) NEEDS to be socialized so that they can be ready for kindergarden. kindergarden isn't fluff anymore...it's more like what I learned in first and second grade. they jump right in, and a child without social skills being with other children is going to be lost in the fray. by age 3 your child should be willing to leave you without distress. what does a good parent do?? a good parent teaches the child to be confident in the world. you don't start that later, you start that early. a good parent loves endlessly, but is always ready to let the child go. afterall, that's what it's all about.......love, guidence, then letting them fly. nothing more sad to me than a child so shy and insecure (except when a parent is there). it's too selfish to keep them all to ourselves when the object of parenting is to let them grow beyond the nest. and yes......it's like socializing a puppy....necessary for growth. QUALITY daycare/preschool is a good tool, not something all parents do just to go flit at the office for their own pleasure. :)
 

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In today's society, many people are having to rely on double incomes... and parents are having to place their young children into daycares...
Oh, please. Many people rely on fast food/prepared food for dinner, spend $200 a month on tivo/cable/gym you name it, have $1000 a month in car paiments, you get the idea... Today's society is a society of consumption, and of course if you follow the model, you will need a double income. If people were more reasonable and only bought the essential, they could do pretty well on one income (in lots of cases), and would save over $1000 of daycare costs.

I keep hearing those 'we can't afford for me not to work', when most of the time, I just don't see why not, because daycare is just so expensive than in most cases, it's just not worth it for one of the parents to keep working...

But again, last time I mentioned this on another forum, I got flamed... About careers, I really much agree with Grammy... there are years to get one, when children are only little for so long...

You guys mention socialization etc, but have you heard about attachment parenting and how good it is for your children? Not so much you can do about it when your children are in daycare 40 hours a week when they are little... and when they are old enough, that's what playgroups are for... or even daycare once or twice a week if it's what it takes... But I will never leave my kids in there for 40 hours a week, 8 hours a day...
 

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Debi . I think you , Showpug and I are in the same aisle . Socialization is very important .... but not at 6 months old .
 

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Debi . I think you , Showpug and I are in the same aisle . Socialization is very important .... but not at 6 months old .
whoa, i thought we were talking about like, 2 year olds...

i would never put a 6 month old child in day care!!!!

Showpug, i want to make it clear that those studies i mentioned never said one was better than the other...they just stated that staying at home isnt necessarily better. In your case, it seems like it CLEARLY is the better option, because it is what you want to do, and you seem like you are fantastic at it. Some moms who maybe werent ready for a child, or arent the stay at home type, might be better off going back to work sooner than later.

I plan on owning my own animal physical therapy practice, and don't know how much time i could take off...BUT, i do plan on adjusting my schedule big time, so i could be home at the very least 2 of the weekdays...and who knows, maybe if my day isnt too busy, i could even bring my child with me to work! I dont think i will know exactly how i will handle it, but i do want to make it clear that i agree that a baby's best interest is to be with its mother...especially at such a young age!
 

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and I would never want a child in daycare daily, 8 hrs. either! nothing is good in excess..........not excessive daycare, not excessive mothering. it's a real trick to find the proper balance for good of the child. :) I loved those first few months when all that cuddling was going on!!!!!!! :) nothing in life sweeter than that.
 

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The thing is, people put their children at 6 weeks old in daycare all the time... I just don't get it.
 

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:hail: Fran !! We only had one car until my 1st was 18 months old . It was fine for a while , but if I needed the car for appts. etc I took my hubby to work . He worked until 9 pm on Fridays .... was fine when Michael was an infant ... but at 18 months , you don't wake up and child to go pick up his Daddy ! Cost for extra car = $250 .. the beauty was it was 1952 MG TD and is still in the family !
 
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In a perfect world, every one gets to stay ho me with their children. In the real world, people have to work. When I was single with my little ones, I was the only one to provide for us. What was I supposed to do? Luckily I was an RN and could support us. Many can't.
 

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well I wouldn't consider a baby in daycare at 6 weeks unless the actual bread & butter demanded it. I do agree that if you want a baby, you should consider cutting back on work at least.....or wait to be a mom. I just don't agree that it's harmful to a child of 2 or 3. still not daily.....but for social exposure. I personally don't know any mom that stuck her 6 week old baby in daycare, tho. most women I know waited for a couple years to return to work.
 

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except you moms that had no choice. then you should be praised for doing the best in your situation, cause you were still a good mom. just had no other options. :)
 

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Debi, I know a lot... But again, most of them have spent lots of money in infertility treatments or adoption, so I guess lots don't have much of a choice... but still. Would I want to adopt a child just to leave him/her in daycare 40 hours a week at 6 weeks? Tough call.
 

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Oh, please. Many people rely on fast food/prepared food for dinner, spend $200 a month on tivo/cable/gym you name it, have $1000 a month in car paiments, you get the idea... Today's society is a society of consumption, and of course if you follow the model, you will need a double income. If people were more reasonable and only bought the essential, they could do pretty well on one income (in lots of cases), and would save over $1000 of daycare costs.

I keep hearing those 'we can't afford for me not to work', when most of the time, I just don't see why not, because daycare is just so expensive than in most cases, it's just not worth it for one of the parents to keep working...

But again, last time I mentioned this on another forum, I got flamed... About careers, I really much agree with Grammy... there are years to get one, when children are only little for so long...

You guys mention socialization etc, but have you heard about attachment parenting and how good it is for your children? Not so much you can do about it when your children are in daycare 40 hours a week when they are little... and when they are old enough, that's what playgroups are for... or even daycare once or twice a week if it's what it takes... But I will never leave my kids in there for 40 hours a week, 8 hours a day...
Thank you!!! I TOTALLY AGREE!
 

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Debi . I think you , Showpug and I are in the same aisle . Socialization is very important .... but not at 6 months old .
After reading all the posts, I would say I agree.

My main gripe is about babies being dropped off at 6 weeks and kids of all ages in 40+ hours a week daycare!
 

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DayCare is not the devil.
thanks ;)
EVERY circumstance is different .
:hail:

I agree with you showpug, about babies needing their mom...solely. it's a bonding experience, and one that is necessary for development and nurturing. but a 3 yr. old that doesn't have enough exposure to other children (and not everyone finds playgroups, and rural areas don't have mother's groups) NEEDS to be socialized so that they can be ready for kindergarden. kindergarden isn't fluff anymore...
very good point! in the works of some of the children at the day care "Kindergarten is yucky." They are required to do more and more younger and younger (and of course, this varies by state requirements). As an Early Childhood Education worker, its our focus to help the children have fun while developing in all areas (social, emotional, cognitive, physical). The number one reason for a child "failing" in kindergarten is commonly because of social/emotional issues. Some children simply do not know how to behave when thrown in an environment with 20/+ other children. In addition to that they are required to focus and get a lot of work done. I am absolutely amazed by the fact that quite a few kindergarteners are reading books and some required to do so.

Socialization is very important .... but not at 6 months old .
Socialization is not a good excuse for children so young. :eek:
Children don't start playing together until they are most likely 3 and up. Most toddlers don't play together, they parallel play (and fight over toys *lol) until they're older and develop emotionally.


As a 'day care worker' I just wanted to say that there has been some very good points made, and I thank you guys for bringing this up. Its good to know people's views of the work we do... I wish mothers would all be stay-at-home mom's, but they simply are not anymore

The key is to find a quality day care. Because, let me tell you, there are some bad ones out there. It is a money making business for most, so its easy to be mislead.
 

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My mom does daycare, so...I've seen a lot of different parents. Some of them can't wait to dump off their kids, and if they could, they'd drop them off on weekends too. One of my neighbors is 6 years old, my mom watches him before and after school...the school bus drops him off at 4pm, my mom doesn't work any later than 4:30. Even when this kids dad is home at 4, he doesn't get his kid off the bus, and waits until exactly 4:30 before picking him up. THIS is sad. He lives 2 houses down but can't pick him up, can't spend an extra 30 minutes with him.

Other parents, really don't enjoy leaving their kids...don't know how to explain it but you can just tell they'd rather stay home with their kids. Sometimes it's really just not possible though...

Daycare I don't think is bad as long as the parents are still finding time to spend with their children. And IMO, those who are good parents, WILL spend quality time with their kids.

Eh, of course I'm not against it, it's what pays the bills for us. :rolleyes: :lol-sign:
 

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This is why I'm so against teenage sex ! One night of hormones plus a whoops equals a precious being and many lives up ended . With normal marriages at 50% failure , does anyone know what the % of these working out to be ? Really , at this point I think society cares more for HS dogs than out of wedlock babies . I know many here have been through this and have coped well . Maybe your stories , hard ships etc should be shared here for the younger group . Keeping a baby v.s . to loving adoptive parents . I'm against abortion ... but what caused you to have one ??
 

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whoa, i thought we were talking about like, 2 year olds...

i would never put a 6 month old child in day care!!!!

Showpug, i want to make it clear that those studies i mentioned never said one was better than the other...they just stated that staying at home isnt necessarily better. In your case, it seems like it CLEARLY is the better option, because it is what you want to do, and you seem like you are fantastic at it. Some moms who maybe werent ready for a child, or arent the stay at home type, might be better off going back to work sooner than later.

I plan on owning my own animal physical therapy practice, and don't know how much time i could take off...BUT, i do plan on adjusting my schedule big time, so i could be home at the very least 2 of the weekdays...and who knows, maybe if my day isnt too busy, i could even bring my child with me to work! I dont think i will know exactly how i will handle it, but i do want to make it clear that i agree that a baby's best interest is to be with its mother...especially at such a young age!
I would never put a 6 month old in child care either... I think that is just crazy! I think that it is important for a child this young to be home with their mom or dad.

I thought that we were talking about "older" young children as well... like 2-3 year olds.
 

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