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Thanks Dr2little. I hope I'll be effective. I'm a little nervous. One gal has a dog who appears to be well behaved and she just wants to teach it tricks. So, I thought I'd show her the clicker concept, go through a couple of tricks. I have a feeling that it won't be a long term thing with her....a few lessons and she'll be off and running. This woman is smart and confident and I think she won't need my help for long. LOL. Another couple has two small dogs (min pins) who don't come when they're called and are generally sounding wild. LOL. It must be hard to get people to become consistant and change their own ways. It really must depend on how much they want their dogs behvavior to change in order to change their own behavior.

Anyhow, thank you for your kind words. I do hope I'll be good enough for this.
I find that the bigger the problem..the stronger the commitment (usually), but there are some owners that you just LOVE working with because they jump in with both feet and practice..practice..practice. Once people see that what you recommend really does work and that consistency pays off, they're usually off and running.

And OF COURSE you'll be good enough. Once word gets out that you're actually taking clients, you may be running for cover!!:D
 

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I find that the bigger the problem..the stronger the commitment (usually), but there are some owners that you just LOVE working with because they jump in with both feet and practice..practice..practice. Once people see that what you recommend really does work and that consistency pays off, they're usually off and running.

And OF COURSE you'll be good enough. Once word gets out that you're actually taking clients, you may be running for cover!!
Ooooooo...that sounds promising. I love people with commitment and tenacity. Yes, word of mouth has always been the most effective form of advertising. Have you read the books, Blink and The Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell? Fascinating books. I highly recommend them to everyone. They're good for life experience, insightful and very good for business people.

Well...thanks for the encouragement Dr2little.
 

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Good luck... I know you're not too far from me and make trips to the city from time to time . On your next trip, would love to have you come in and get together on one of our sessions or meet and get cards from you, as it's valuable for us to have someone we can refer clients to in isloated areas, that has your educational background but just needs more "hands-on" time in the field.
 

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Thanks Otch. I'd love to meet you! That would be so cool.

I don't know when the next visit will be. My car blew a head gasket, which I got fixed, but the engine over heated and the mechanic said I should trade it in now while its still OK because it will probably have a lot of problems soon. I can't afford a new car now so I have to make this last a while longer. So, I'm a little nervous to make any long trips just now. Its very scary coming across eastern Washington with a car that might conk out in the middle of winter. LOL.
 

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Like Doberluv, I don't train dogs for a living. I have trained several puppies and their owners, but it was more for fun than the money.
My main experience in training is working with shelter dogs in a shelter environment. I don't do anything incredibly complicated, just basic obedience training and some manners for the wild ones. Increasingly I've been working with the unadoptable dogs: inappropriate aggression, obsessive behavior and extreme fear/lack of socialization. I also work with other animals (I'm clicker-training three cats, a ferret and my neighbor's temperamental horse) and my experiences with them have really helped improve my training skills. I'm far from being a great trainer, but I do know how to get my point across without upsetting the animal.

I plan to take ABC's course after graduation, and would love to find a good mentor soon. I'd love to train for a living, someday.

Doberluv, good luck! If you're at it by summer, let me know. Esp if you need a hand :)
 

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RD...you've done a lot. Over the few years I've "known" you on this and other boards, I see that you are really knoweldgeable and have had quite a bit of experience. I think you'd make a terrific trainer.That ABC school has a very good reputation.

Thanks for your good wishes. I sure will let you know. I am lacking in experience with aggression problems. I am confident where food or possession guarding is the case, dog to dog agression.....but other more severe or complicated aggression problems, I think I'd have to refer to someone else for now. I'm mostly ineterested in obedience, common behavior problems and maybe one day agility but need more experience in that.

When you say that you worked with inappropriate aggresison, what types of scenarios were they and what did you do?

I think training horses has helped me with dogs too even though horses are not predators. There was a lot of shaping behavior and desensatizing-conditioning when working with fearful, green horses especially. Patience was essential, staying calm, perserveering etc. LOL.
 
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RD - I wish you lived here. We could use another trainer with the brains and heart like yours. I think you'll make a great trainer and I agree with Doberluv, you've done a lot for your years and you really have a good head on your shoulders.:hail:
I think you'll like ABC. It's a pretty great program and improving all the time so when you're ready to take it, I'm sure you'll really find it worth while and interesting.:D
 

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The aggression issues that I work with really vary, Anywhere from resource guarding and cage-aggression to fear biting and, occasionally, the big strong dog that's always been allowed to run the household. Cage aggression is actually the most common problem I work with - the dogs are very good once they get out, but getting them to calm down long enough to touch the cage and let them out is challenging. I do use treats with cage guarders, but my absence is the biggest reward for them. Most of the dogs put on a big show, snarling, growling, throwing themselves against the gate etc when I start walking towards their cage. I will stand right in front of the cage while they throw a fit, without making eye contact or doing anything threatening. The instant they stop, even if it's to take a breath, I click, throw some meat to them (doggie treats just don't cut it when they're so agitated) and immediately back off a few steps. If they stay quiet, I leave entirely. Over a period of a week or so, I build up the period of time the dog has to stay quiet in order to get me to back off. Once they will settle down with the word "shush", I stop making my absense their reward and start letting them out to play instead. Once they realize that a person approaching their cage means that they get to go out, it's no longer an issue.
Honestly I pretty much use that technique with all "outside-the-cage" aggression too, whether they be fearful, overly assertive or just plain don't like strangers. If they don't want me around, I walk away. That's their reward for calm behavior - the thing making them uncomfortable (me) leaves. Once they are safe enough to be around, I spend "quality time" with them and build up some trust, then start working on that same calm behavior around other people. As soon as the dog stops displaying aggression, the behavior is marked, the dog gets a really good treat and the person walks away. Once the person is able to get close enough to the dog, they drop a treat on the ground right before they walk away. Most of the dogs I've worked with never really like strange people, but they at least tolerate their presence. I also help with the placement of the dogs I've worked with, since I know them well and know what kind of home they'll need. I was working on typing up a little booklet of information for the people who adopt the formerly aggressive dogs from the shelter, just so they know how to prevent problems, but I never got around to finishing it.

I'm really not sure if that's a "good" way to go or not, which is why I'm so eager to meet good trainers and pick their brains, as well as take some courses on behavior. What I've been doing has been working well, but there may be a better way out there that I don't know about. Part of the fun of training, for me, is learning and trying new or different techniques.
 

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That sounds great RD. I think that's the best way to handle those kinds of situations. I like how you gradually turn the reinforcer from your leaving to your presence. This is a well known technique which I've read about but never had any hands on experience with.

It sounds like you're doing wonders for these poor animals in the shelter. Be careful you don't get bitten. I'm sure you are already.
 

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