Breastfeeding mother kicked off plane, what would you do?

[GlassOnion]

What do you mean the nutrients will get broken down? They're broken down in the body any how.


And it's the way my parents did it, the way my sister does it, and the way the babies mother (my cousin) does it.


Also what if they were being discreet about the blowjob? All you would see is maybe the action, but no flesh or anything. Would that be acceptable?

 

[makenzie71]

if you go back and read the article AGAIN you will see that it says she was discreetly breast feeding her child.

Please don't ask me to read what's not there. The title says nothing about discretion. We have to rely on the mother's "idea" of discretion as she is the only one quoted saying anything of the matter. (second paragraph, first sentence)

Many women soley breast feed their babies... which means NO BOTTLES.

Again, not the public's concern.

That is not a crime for wanting what is best for your child.

As in this case, sometimes it is a crime when you want to do it in public and on private property with an opposed owner.

It would be different if she just whipped out a tit and started breast feeding with her whole breast exposed for the world to see. But have you ever seen an experienced mom breast feed her baby? You can't see ANYTHING.

You have no idea whether or not that's exactly what she did do. She was not discrete about her actions, otherwise the "blanket" nonsense wouldn't have been brought up...because when a mother does it propper nothing can be seen. Looks like she's just "holding" the kid...I'm pretty perceptive in public and I've had to do a double take or two to pick it up. Further proof that this woman just wasn't doing it right.

I don't buy the argument that it's indecent exposure.

Thing is, though, it's not your decision. It was never offered to you to buy.

 

[nancy2394]

Glass... when you heat it up in the microwave, you can have the risk of it heating up uneven and you can have hot spots despite shaking the bottle up. We've seen far too many mouths burned from this method of heating a bottle up. And truly, there's no reason to have to heat a bottle up. A baby can have it's bottle room temperature. I'm sure you know many people that have warmed their bottles up that way and never had a problem, but that's an awful risk to take. I've seen the blisters and effects of a bottle heated up for a "few seconds" in the microwave.

And yes the formula gets broken down in the body. But when you heat it up in the microwave you are breaking it down before it gets to the body and that correlates to less nutrients being broken down by the body which is where it needs to be broken down after the body has received the benefits from the nutrients.

And even if the blowjob was discreet... you would still see the "action" of the head bobbing up and down and it is explicit behavior. I would be very offended if I saw that on a plane even if the meat wasn't exposed. Those are two entirely different scenerios.

 

[GlassOnion]

And yes the formula gets broken down in the body. But when you heat it up in the microwave you are breaking it down before it gets to the body and that correlates to less nutrients being broken down by the body which is where it needs to be broken down after the body has received the benefits from the nutrients.

Huh? The nutrients would still make it to where they need to go. They're only broken down and absorbed in specific locations. We'll use proteins for example. The stomach isn't going to absorb amino acids. It helps break down proteins into amino acids but they're absorbed in the small intestine. So if you have already broken down proteins going into the stomach, they'll pass through. They won't get absorbed there and will get absorbed like normal in the small intestine.

 

[makenzie71]

I dunno about breaking things down...in essenence the microwave can't destroy matter (nutrients) but it can deteriorate collectives (break stuff down)...but it would all still be there.

I do agree with the uneven heating thing. Magnatrons, though people seem to love them, are far better for communication than cooking things. Just doesn't heat right...uneven and usually heats in a localized area in it's field and not really anywhere else.

 

[nancy2394]

Please don't ask me to read what's not there. The title says nothing about discretion. We have to rely on the mother's "idea" of discretion as she is the only one quoted saying anything of the matter. (second paragraph, first sentence)



Again, not the public's concern.



As in this case, sometimes it is a crime when you want to do it in public and on private property with an opposed owner.



You have no idea whether or not that's exactly what she did do. She was not discrete about her actions, otherwise the "blanket" nonsense wouldn't have been brought up...because when a mother does it propper nothing can be seen. Looks like she's just "holding" the kid...I'm pretty perceptive in public and I've had to do a double take or two to pick it up. Further proof that this woman just wasn't doing it right.



Thing is, though, it's not your decision. It was never offered to you to buy.

Are you always so rude in nature? I could argue this point all day and you'll still come back with ridiculous and rude responses. YOU have no proof that she wasn't discreet about it. It mentioned in the article that she WAS discreet even if it was her opinion. Show me where in the article where it said she WASN'T discreet. So what if she was offered a blanket and refused it. I agree with what someone else posted... the flight attendant was probably mad that she refused to give into her request to use the blanket.

I'd like you to sit in on a breast feeding class and tell these women that they HAVE to bottle feed their child in public. Breastfeeding is not something dirty or sexual... it's a source of food.

I never breast fed my daughter but it wasn't from lack of trying. And there would be no way someone would tell me I couldn't feed my child when she was hungry. We all know that you can never truly determine when a baby will be hungry. And that lady's baby was 22 months old... which leads me to believe she KNEW how to breast feed discreetly.

 

[nancy2394]

Huh? The nutrients would still make it to where they need to go. They're only broken down and absorbed in specific locations. We'll use proteins for example. The stomach isn't going to absorb amino acids. It helps break down proteins into amino acids but they're absorbed in the small intestine. So if you have already broken down proteins going into the stomach, they'll pass through. They won't get absorbed there and will get absorbed like normal in the small intestine.

I only know what I learned in a breast feeding class. I can't give you all the technical reasons why because I honestly don't know. I just know they tell us to teach our mothers NEVER to heat their bottles up in the microwave for safety as well as nutritional reasons.

 

[nancy2394]

Glass, I will ask our nurse practitioners and our hospital lactation consultant and see if I can find out more about the breaking down of nutrients part. I wish I could remember all that was said in the breast feeding conference I went to a while back. It really was quite informative.

 

[makenzie71]

Are you always so rude in nature? I could argue this point all day and you'll still come back with ridiculous and rude responses.

I'm not being any more rude than you're being unreasonable. For example:

YOU have no proof that she wasn't discreet about it.

You have no proof that she WAS being discrete. The article does mention discretion: "...Gillette said she was discreetly breast-feeding..." In case you didn't read the article, Gillete is the mother. Gillette and her husband are the only ones who say they were discrete...at least one person felt she was not, and, in public or on private property, that's more than enough.

...the flight attendant was probably mad that she refused to give into her request to use the blanket.

Unfortunately as a representative of the airline, Gillette should have taken the attendant's advice and used the blanket. Even if she were the only person offended, it was her call. If you want to stay out of the lime-light, you don't **** off the people in charge.

I'd like you to sit in on a breast feeding class and tell these women that they HAVE to bottle feed their child in public.

You need to pull your head out of the clouds and figure it out that my opinion has nothing to do with it. It's a banned practice in many public places and, though you might be under the impression that I'm a senior politician of some sort, but I'm just some guy in north texas who's opinion doesn't count for squat. I'm not the one who banned it, and I don't own any airlines so I doubt I'm the one who booted the lady off the plane.

I never breast fed my daughter but it wasn't from lack of trying. And there would be no way someone would tell me I couldn't feed my child when she was hungry.

If you do it in a banned area some WILL tell you just that...and you'll either catch legal flak or leave. It'll be up to you.

 

[nancy2394]

I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone who hurls insults and is being as rude as you have been. I am entitled to my opinion as well as you are entitled to yours. I don't have my head in the clouds. I read the article. I just find it funny how the woman states she was discreet, but there was no one else to say she wasn't discreet in the article. And I am assuming the author of the article interviewed both parties involved before printing a one sided article. I whole heartedly disagree with you on this... that's my right. I find you to be very condescending and hateful with some of your remarks. But if that's the way you like others to perceive you... then so be it. I on the other hand would like myself to be viewed as a level headed, somewhat intelligent kind and caring person. So, with that... I am not going to pursue arguing with you about this.

And I agree with dizzy... BREAST IS BEST. And for people to get their panties all up in a was about breastfeeding really need to educate themselves on the whole breastfeeding thing and get their heads out of the clouds with unreasonable expectations in regards to breastfeeding in public areas. I am astonished that this day in age people find it offensive for a woman to breastfeed in public... I just can't understand that.

 

[makenzie71]

I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone who hurls insults and is being as rude as you have been.

Where have I insulted anyone?

I am entitled to my opinion as well as you are entitled to yours.

It's not my opinion and, in the end, no one that matters will care what your opinion is. If it's banned, it's banned. If the owner of the property says don't do it, you don't do it. What about that aren't you picking up on?

I just find it funny how the woman states she was discreet, but there was no one else to say she wasn't discreet in the article.

The atendant obviously thought she was not being discrete, otherwise she wouldn't have asked the lady to "cover herself".

I find you to be very condescending and hateful with some of your remarks.

rofl...so you're allowed to find me offensive, but no one is allowed to find breastfeeding in public, crowded areas offensive? Hypocrisy is never pretty. And yeah you're still floating around in the clouds...you still assume that I have something against breastfeeding in public, which means that you're simply close minded and not even attempting to look at the issue constructively...not even adddressing the issue, really. You're only addressing me.

And one last thing; intellegent, level-headed people usually adhere to bans and such and prepare and act appropriately...not willing defy them out of some unnecesary belief that society should just get "used to it".

 

[PixieSticksandTricks]

Glass... when you heat it up in the microwave, you can have the risk of it heating up uneven and you can have hot spots despite shaking the bottle up. We've seen far too many mouths burned from this method of heating a bottle up. And truly, there's no reason to have to heat a bottle up. A baby can have it's bottle room temperature. I'm sure you know many people that have warmed their bottles up that way and never had a problem, but that's an awful risk to take. I've seen the blisters and effects of a bottle heated up for a "few seconds" in the microwave.

And yes the formula gets broken down in the body. But when you heat it up in the microwave you are breaking it down before it gets to the body and that correlates to less nutrients being broken down by the body which is where it needs to be broken down after the body has received the benefits from the nutrients.

And even if the blowjob was discreet... you would still see the "action" of the head bobbing up and down and it is explicit behavior. I would be very offended if I saw that on a plane even if the meat wasn't exposed. Those are two entirely different scenerios.

That is really interesting. We have alway heated our baby bottles in the Microwave. Learn something new everyday.

 

[BostonBanker]

Unless her baby learned to eat from a bottle as well as the breast.... a bottle would not have been an option.

Out of curiousity - does this really happen? We have two babies in the family right now, and although both are breast-fed, both also drink out of a bottle (and one of them will only drink a cold bottle ). I assumed that all babies learn to use a bottle; has this woman never been separated from her baby in 22 months? How else would the baby eat?

I realize this won't make me popular, but if I had been sitting next to that woman...I would have asked to be moved. Planes are insanely crowded, and whether breast feeding is beautiful natural thing or not...I would have been very uncomfortable in those tight quarters. That's my right. I may have felt differently if it was a newborn, but I would hope that at 22 months there would be another option.

 

[nancy2394]

Out of curiousity - does this really happen? We have two babies in the family right now, and although both are breast-fed, both also drink out of a bottle (and one of them will only drink a cold bottle ). I assumed that all babies learn to use a bottle; has this woman never been separated from her baby in 22 months? How else would the baby eat?

I realize this won't make me popular, but if I had been sitting next to that woman...I would have asked to be moved. Planes are insanely crowded, and whether breast feeding is beautiful natural thing or not...I would have been very uncomfortable in those tight quarters. That's my right. I may have felt differently if it was a newborn, but I would hope that at 22 months there would be another option.

Not all babies know how to eat from a bottle. Heck, some babies don't know how to eat at all.. they have to learn. It's the whole suck and swallow coordination they have difficulty with. I know some babies that have never ever had a bottle in their life. It may be really difficult for mom since she will always have to be available... but it's dedication I guess. Not something I would have been able to do.

Breastfeeding is like a biting and sucking method where as bottle feeding is more of a suck and swallow kind of thing. I know when I have a baby I'm trying to get to eat who is very poorly coordinated with sucking and swallowing... I grab a nuk nipple because it's different from the regular nipples.

You'd think that babies would be born with the know how on how to eat... but surprisingly... that is often not the case. It usually takes them a few feedings before they get the hang of it and others.. it takes many many feedings before they get the hang of it.

And I can totally understand you wanting to be moved if you were next to a breastfeeding mom. I personally would not be offended by a breastfeeding mother because I am around it all the time. When I read the article I perceived it as the mother being in the last row sitting with her hubby and feeding her baby.

Who knows.. maybe the flight attendant offered the mother the blanket thinking she would feel more comfortable and the mother may have just said "no thank you, we're fine" and chose to not accept the blanket. The whole blanket thing wasn't really clear in the article. I think had they said "if you choose not to use a blanket and cover while you breastfeed" then maybe she would have taken the blanket. And if it was like that and she still refused to use a blanket to make them happy... then I guess they have the right to ask her to leave.

I just think it's sad that more people don't find breastfeeding in public a more common practice. It's so inconvenient for the mother to try and coordinate her day around public areas. And imagine being in the middle of the summer and being forced to cover your baby's face with a blanket just to avoid offending someone. I find other things in life far more offensive than a woman breasfeeding her baby... but that's just me.

 

[nancy2394]

That is really interesting. We have alway heated our baby bottles in the Microwave. Learn something new everyday.

Pixie... I heated my daughter's bottles in the microwave all the time too... not knowing any better back then. But I can remember several times where she would be so eager to eat and when I gave her the bottle she'd start screaming and refusing it. I had no idea I was probably burning the inside of her mouth. And I always shook up the bottle and tested it on my arm before giving it. Just goes to show you that microwaves do heat up unevenly and can definately cause burns.

 

[Dreeza]

I kinda skimmed through this thread, but just wanted to say that i think it is absolutely rediculous. I am not a mother yet, but when i am, i plan on breastfeeding. It is THE natural thing and the healthiest thing to do...formula's dont quite match up to breast milk.

and sheesh, it is a freaking BOOB, that she is using to CARE for her infant. I'll admit, i was in my mom's office, and she let a patient use her private office (where i was) to breastfeed. The woman just whipped it out (i didnt know she was coming back there to breastfeed). I was kinda startled at first, but then i thought about it and was like, wait, not only can i NOT see anything...now the baby is not crying and annoying the heck outta everyone!!!

people need to get over themselves and stop being so prude. When did i not even fully exposed breast become sexual and uncomfortable when it is being used to feed a completely dependent infant?

 

[nancy2394]

I kinda skimmed through this thread, but just wanted to say that i think it is absolutely rediculous. I am not a mother yet, but when i am, i plan on breastfeeding. It is THE natural thing and the healthiest thing to do...formula's dont quite match up to breast milk.

and sheesh, it is a freaking BOOB, that she is using to CARE for her infant. I'll admit, i was in my mom's office, and she let a patient use her private office (where i was) to breastfeed. The woman just whipped it out (i didnt know she was coming back there to breastfeed). I was kinda startled at first, but then i thought about it and was like, wait, not only can i NOT see anything...now the baby is not crying and annoying the heck outta everyone!!!

people need to get over themselves and stop being so prude. When did i not even fully exposed breast become sexual and uncomfortable when it is being used to feed a completely dependent infant?

I used to be a little uncomforable with women breastfeeding in places like restaurants ...etc. But now that I see it all the time and actually help teach women how to breastfeed their babies... I view it differently now. I may not have wanted to sit next to them on a plane but I would NEVER have said anything about it, I just would have turned my head or read a book or something. I would much rather see a mom breastfeed than to listen to a crying baby.

I don't think a mother should have to be punished because she chose to give her baby the best thing. I know some breast league groups that teach their mothers to never give anything but the breast. I let the mothers make that decision. I usually encourage not to introduce a bottle or pacifier until good breastfeeding has been established. I for one would not want to be 100% available at all times.... even mothers need a break..lol.

I guess I would have been one of those mothers that pumped and stored some breastmilk in the freezer for occasions where breastfeeding may have been considered innapropriate I agree.. this whole thing is silly.

I can't think of a single guy who wouldn't drool if a half naked beautiful women was exposing her breasts in a sexual nature. And I am not saying guys are pigs.. I'm just saying I personally don't know of a guy that would look in the other direction. So, for some of them to say that a breastfeeding mother is offensive just baffles me a bit.

 

[Buckshot]

The day that natural feeding of a baby became obscene, marks a day society was doomed. How flippin stupid are we humans to think we are so above nature that breast feeding is unacceptable? I wish the people who came up with that notion and other similar ideas would have not been fed as babies.

Although I disagree with the idea of creating a ruckus over some woman feeding her child, that woman has to know the rules of air travel. You either follow the rules of the aircraft owner and its governing body or you don't fly.

The man and the airlines call the shots and if you are going to use "their" aircraft you follow their rules. If you were going to ride in my vehicle you could breastfeed, sing, get drunk, have sex, cuss, carry guns(not if drunk) or just about anything you want, but no smoking or flatulence. Those two would get you promptly escorted out of my rig.

I think I will go to the airport and try to get a security job to make sure women arent smuggling boobs onto aircraft. I will frisk them to make sure, since they can sneak them by metal detectors.

 

[nancy2394]

Thanks Buckshot... I nearly choked to death on my breakfast because of you I should know better than to be eating or drinking when I read your replies.. they almost always make me crack up laughing.

Eating, swollowing, breathing and reading your posts don't go well together...lol. I was fine until I read the part about flatulance.

Now that I have begun oxygenating my brain again... I must say I completely agree with you. Contrary to what SOME think... I don't have my head in the clouds. I realize the planes have their rules and regulations just as many things in life. My whole point was that it's silly that people in general can't be more accepting of breastfeeding mothers.

Of course the plane has the right to say no just as you have the right to say no flatulance in your vehicle... by the way.. that's the rule in my vehicle too.. but hubby breaks that rule over and over again.

Breastfeeding is such a natural thing and it truly shocks me that not everyone views it as such a natural thing. Before formula was invented I'm sure babies had to breastfeed.

 

[Gustav]

I think I will go to the airport and try to get a security job to make sure women arent smuggling boobs onto aircraft. I will frisk them to make sure, since they can sneak them by metal detectors.

It's a dirty job... But someones gotta do it!