hmmmmm now that i think about it, it is odd..... She may have been able to go to a shelter to get the same kind of dog. It looks almost the same as the webpage, it could be the breeder himself or herself posting, i don't know. I'm against this kind of stuff, but i find training tips and socialization tips very useful.
Aspen Kennels - Should be called "Mixes R Us"
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OMG, I'm so sorry guys but this must be the stupidest site I've ever come across!!! :lol-sign:
What the hell difference does it make that she has champion bloodlines if she produces mix pups!!! :lol-sign:
Oh man I haven't been laughing as much in a long, long time!!!
Thank you Aspencypress, you sure are great intertainment!!!:hail:
What the hell difference does it make that she has champion bloodlines if she produces mix pups!!! :lol-sign:
Oh man I haven't been laughing as much in a long, long time!!!
Thank you Aspencypress, you sure are great intertainment!!!:hail:I guess if anyone of view are reading my post about the same thing unethcial breeders know this makes me SICK and any site that takes this mutt as a breed is just as bad..
I was asked to list a ASD X Mastiff cross on planet I said NO ,
she got angrey, i replied when you show me 3 generations of the new breed without crossing and bred true with the health tests to back up the claim this breed is healthier then I will take you.
Never heard back of course....
I was asked to list a ASD X Mastiff cross on planet I said NO ,
she got angrey, i replied when you show me 3 generations of the new breed without crossing and bred true with the health tests to back up the claim this breed is healthier then I will take you.
Never heard back of course....
It could possibly be that I am brand new to this site, and the two posts are the very first two posts I have ever made....... which shows how easily people can make judgements based on unfounded information, and suspicion. I found this site when typing in the kennel name, read the "slam", decided to give some honest information, based on my own experience. I do not represent, nor work for "Aspen". Also.......teaching breeding ethics is different than slamming breeders you don't know. I am just a very happy dog owner, who is very happy with our puppy from "Aspen". Breeders who do have good breeding ethics need to be supported, and I am giving info and supporting them. I really do not like when someone is judged unfairly, and believe it important to say the truth. That said, I probably won't be posting anymore about this unless someone has a sincere question. Thanks to those who actually tried to look at the info and assess it for themselves, and I am happy that there are people who want to educate, and not take unfair slams at other people, without having all the facts.
Good for you and I'm glad you're not having any problems with your dog . I wish all people were lucky enough to have healthy dogs with great temperaments, but unfortunately that's not the case...... specially with back yard breeders. We are just generally big time dog lovers and care very much about the wellbeeing of our beloved breeds. We are showing our dogs, making sure we breed only healthy and tipical representatives of the breed as we honour the ones that dedicated so much time and energy into creating the breeds that we love and enjoy today!
This particular breeder wouldn't recognize breeding ethics if it hit it on their head!!
Do you seriously that it's fair to make fun of honest and hard working people by selling them a mix at that price?? making up a new breed (that doesn't exist) and charging unreasonable money for it??? Is it fair to all the poor animals that are being PTS in shelters every day???? Do you think they don't deserve to be loved and cared for? Don't you think that people like this just make things worse??? I am SICK to my stomac....... I'm sorry but I am!
. I wish all people were lucky enough to have healthy dogs with great temperaments, but unfortunately that's not the case...... specially with back yard breeders. We are just generally big time dog lovers and care very much about the wellbeeing of our beloved breeds. We are showing our dogs, making sure we breed only healthy and tipical representatives of the breed as we honour the ones that dedicated so much time and energy into creating the breeds that we love and enjoy today!This particular breeder wouldn't recognize breeding ethics if it hit it on their head!!
Do you seriously that it's fair to make fun of honest and hard working people by selling them a mix at that price?? making up a new breed (that doesn't exist) and charging unreasonable money for it??? Is it fair to all the poor animals that are being PTS in shelters every day???? Do you think they don't deserve to be loved and cared for? Don't you think that people like this just make things worse??? I am SICK to my stomac....... I'm sorry but I am!
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The problem is these people are a prime example of who NOT to buy from. They are breeding mixed breeds to do nothing more than make them money. To be quite honest....they make me sick.
Just because you help train shelter dogs doesn't make you a good breeder. It makes you a poor unethical breeder that trains shelter dogs. NOTHING MORE!
Just because you help train shelter dogs doesn't make you a good breeder. It makes you a poor unethical breeder that trains shelter dogs. NOTHING MORE!
Sad we has that years ago with my breed they took Caucausian X Central Asian X Spanish Mastiff X Anatolian Shepherd and created they American Asian Shepherd.
I educated the public and in my own way made a difference they were sold a purebreds.... Later sadly when the mixed was dying from cancer she had a seizure and her husband tried to help her the dog attacked him ripping off his arm and had to be shot to save them both.
#1 danger of mixed big dogs is tempermanet dont know what is going to come out in the cocktail.
I educated the public and in my own way made a difference they were sold a purebreds.... Later sadly when the mixed was dying from cancer she had a seizure and her husband tried to help her the dog attacked him ripping off his arm and had to be shot to save them both.
#1 danger of mixed big dogs is tempermanet dont know what is going to come out in the cocktail.
Sorry you got so slammed on your posts, Bsan.
My problem with the breeder is this:the kennel is NOT trying to make a new breed. If they were, they would be breeding doodles with other doodles. It's impossible to have a purebred from two parents of different breeds. The kennel is making mixes, BLANTANTLY CALLING THEM A "RARE BREED" and offering them at super-premium prices.
While the kennel does socialize, offer health checks, etc., which is much better than many designer dog breeders do, they are still duping people into buying one a "rare breed". False advertising, plain and simple. Not ethicial in the least, in my book.
EDIT: I just noticed this. The kennel's "2-year hip guarantee" doesn't impress me. Most hip problems don't crop up until well after two years of age. A good breeder has the parent dogs certified by the OFA or CERF to be free of hip problems---I noticed their dogs don't mention any such certifications. Good breeders I've seen offer a much better guarantee as well.
My problem with the breeder is this:the kennel is NOT trying to make a new breed. If they were, they would be breeding doodles with other doodles. It's impossible to have a purebred from two parents of different breeds. The kennel is making mixes, BLANTANTLY CALLING THEM A "RARE BREED" and offering them at super-premium prices.
While the kennel does socialize, offer health checks, etc., which is much better than many designer dog breeders do, they are still duping people into buying one a "rare breed". False advertising, plain and simple. Not ethicial in the least, in my book.
EDIT: I just noticed this. The kennel's "2-year hip guarantee" doesn't impress me. Most hip problems don't crop up until well after two years of age. A good breeder has the parent dogs certified by the OFA or CERF to be free of hip problems---I noticed their dogs don't mention any such certifications. Good breeders I've seen offer a much better guarantee as well.
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What I dont understand is why write one dog is a AKC reg poodle and leave it out of all the other purebred used in the cocktails?
This tells me the other dogs may not have a pedigree at all or may be shelter pups thus how does one track inheritance of health related issues?
So there goes Mutts are healthier than purebreds statement.
This tells me the other dogs may not have a pedigree at all or may be shelter pups thus how does one track inheritance of health related issues?
So there goes Mutts are healthier than purebreds statement.
Thanks Gem. You have made some interesting points. You also along with a few others seem genuine, and I appreciate your input, and theirs. The humor is fine as well. As far as some of the others, if this is the welcome to chazhound, no thanks.......in case your not sure which category you fall into, take an inventory, check the slamming. It feels like meeting new people and being devoured. Welcome to chazhound!!!
BSan you dont know me and i dont know you. But I will tell you if you offered 10000 to my brother for his Schnoodle he would say HELL NO.
THe love you have for your dog is apparent and true and I wish the best.
The truth is your breeder could test both breeds in the mix for disease and buy only the best dogs for the mix and give good puppy care with lifetime help for you that makes her a good person and you a good buyer.
However it helps others excuse mixing dogs that may not have 1/4 her caring into dogs it in affect creates a domino affect of bad breeding.
Sometimes you have to look beyond your dog and your breeder to see the whole picture. And thousands or mixes are being put to sleep each day and im sure one of them would of fit into your family that is what the shelter rescue people here are saying rescue dont by mixes since mixes have shorter life spans than purebreds in the waiting list of shelters...
I remember when i believed no dog should ever be put to sleep if it can go to a home and issues worked out.
Then cases in which shelters dogs that went out intact were bred and bred creating more issues and in some bad cases some attacked and KILLED people creating BSL issues for good people like you and me.
So now when I get a call from a shelter for my breed and the dog failed the test the shelter uses so badly that they only want me to take it . I changed my mind the humane thing to do is to pts the dog. ONe it wont turn on someone creating BSl and it wont create more litters of bad dogs.
So after 25 years of rescue im saying that the humane thing to do sometimes is to Put the dog down.....
So please stay and understand everyone will love to chat with you about your mix but no one is going to aggree that your breeder is AAA as long as she breeds mixes even if she make the cover of Dog and Kennel as the clean-ist kennel in the USA.
Why? because if we make excuses for her based on your love and your one great dog that is doing great - We have to make excuses for all and that would not be good for the dogs not from your breeder or not living in your care.
So please chat in another thread and show some pics of your dog.
I would love to see them and I will try to scan pics in of Schoodles for you.
Jeannine
THe love you have for your dog is apparent and true and I wish the best.
The truth is your breeder could test both breeds in the mix for disease and buy only the best dogs for the mix and give good puppy care with lifetime help for you that makes her a good person and you a good buyer.
However it helps others excuse mixing dogs that may not have 1/4 her caring into dogs it in affect creates a domino affect of bad breeding.
Sometimes you have to look beyond your dog and your breeder to see the whole picture. And thousands or mixes are being put to sleep each day and im sure one of them would of fit into your family that is what the shelter rescue people here are saying rescue dont by mixes since mixes have shorter life spans than purebreds in the waiting list of shelters...
I remember when i believed no dog should ever be put to sleep if it can go to a home and issues worked out.
Then cases in which shelters dogs that went out intact were bred and bred creating more issues and in some bad cases some attacked and KILLED people creating BSL issues for good people like you and me.
So now when I get a call from a shelter for my breed and the dog failed the test the shelter uses so badly that they only want me to take it . I changed my mind the humane thing to do is to pts the dog. ONe it wont turn on someone creating BSl and it wont create more litters of bad dogs.
So after 25 years of rescue im saying that the humane thing to do sometimes is to Put the dog down.....
So please stay and understand everyone will love to chat with you about your mix but no one is going to aggree that your breeder is AAA as long as she breeds mixes even if she make the cover of Dog and Kennel as the clean-ist kennel in the USA.
Why? because if we make excuses for her based on your love and your one great dog that is doing great - We have to make excuses for all and that would not be good for the dogs not from your breeder or not living in your care.
So please chat in another thread and show some pics of your dog.
I would love to see them and I will try to scan pics in of Schoodles for you.
Jeannine
Thanks Jeannine. Perhaps at some time in the future I may be more open to a shelter dog. Having had three kids who are now grown, and now a little grandaughter, I did not want a dog with some of the issues that some dogs/puppies have from neglect, abuse, abandonment etc. My daughter fostered dog/puppies during her college years until they were adopted. Some were ok, some were not. Another thing that went into play, was that our family lost all three of our dear pets in a matter of four months........two 9 year old sister cats to kidney disease, and a yellow lab, almost 15 years old. Our one cat went quickly, the other cat needed lots of help and tender loving care until she had to be put down. Our dear old lab, also needed lots of patience and tender care toward the end. It was a really hard time to lose all three pets, all needing to be put to sleep, and becoming very sick, all needing lots of our time, love and attention in the end. We decided on only one pet at a time from here on in, we both wanted a dog, we didn't want to get a dog without any health history after going through what we did, and I missed the fluffy fur of my cats.......thus wanted a furry dog this time. My husband also wanted a different color, a total change. We had three purebred yellow labs over the years, and the last one was the best!! (as they all are) We also decided for less shedding. So after lots of checking, talking to people, we made a choice, obviously not the choice most people on this site think was wise, but choose we did. And....we just love our big pup. He is everything we wanted and more. So we are really happy, and he is worth it to us. And yes, I am thankful so far he is healthy, and has a wonderful temperament, and easy to train. We are very blessed and fortunate. My husband is happy to not have all the shedding hair this time, has a big dog (he doesn't like pedigree standard poodles....... but I do...so we compromised) that is full of personality, and I love his fluffy coat which I mentioned before that I missed from not having cats anymore, and we just love him to pieces. So, that's my/our story We wouldn't trade him for anything. I pray he stays healthy, and lives a good old life, and after we have no little grandchildren, and don't have to worry so much about little ones being around, I may just go smaller as we get older, and try adoption from a shelter, but not now. When I can figure out how to make the picture file smaller and upload photos, maybe you'll get to meet Herbie. Thanks for reaching out. Dog lovers are one of a kind passionate people. It was a bit overwhelming to have everyone just blasting away when I first posted. Thanks
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BSan, most people here aren't trying to be rude to you. Most of us are just concerned when someone thinks that people that breed mixed breeds and sell them for a ridiculous dollar are good and ethical breeders. Just because they take in stray animals or help train some shelter dogs does not make them a good breeder. Anyone who breeds for profit, breeds to produce "cute" dogs, or breeds mixes for no other purpose than money is not a good breeder. In your eyes the breeder may be good, but we have been throught this time and time again. Some of us breed and know what goes into breeding, to make you a good breeder. We know the time, the money, the heartache, and the ethics of breeding. This breeder to most of us does not fall under the catagory of being reputable.
I think it is good that the breeder does things for the shelter, but maybe he/she should stick to that and only that IMHO.
I think it is good that the breeder does things for the shelter, but maybe he/she should stick to that and only that IMHO.
BSan,
I'm probably the one that slammed you hardest and I apologize for that. However, I make no apologies for trying to call you out for promoting Aspen Kennels and defending them as an ethical breeder. They are anything but ethical.
We bought our Schnauzer mix (mutt, terrier mix, schnauzer cross, half schnauzer half poodle, poodle mix) from a backyard breeder that operated much the same as Cypress Kennels. They weren't as much in to making it sound as if they were creating a "super breed", but they claimed all of the same old stuff about "hybrid" dogs being healthier, not-shedding, etc. etc. etc.
Our "Schnoodle" (we NEVER call him that--it isn't a breed) doesn't shed, he is amazing in every way, and we love him so much. He is perfect for us. That doesn't mean that the breeder was good, that we respect them, or that we would ever consider buying from them again. Now, I am more educated about ethical breeding--I recognize my mistake and will not repeat it!
Rescue sites that have Golden Retreiver/Poodle mixes:
http://www.poomixrescue.com/home.htm#goldenpoos
http://www.nextdaypets.com/directory/dogs/4a38dd70-8102.aspx (1/10 of your price, 4 months)
http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=7159840 (9 months)
-And there are so many more...
I'm probably the one that slammed you hardest and I apologize for that. However, I make no apologies for trying to call you out for promoting Aspen Kennels and defending them as an ethical breeder. They are anything but ethical.
We bought our Schnauzer mix (mutt, terrier mix, schnauzer cross, half schnauzer half poodle, poodle mix) from a backyard breeder that operated much the same as Cypress Kennels. They weren't as much in to making it sound as if they were creating a "super breed", but they claimed all of the same old stuff about "hybrid" dogs being healthier, not-shedding, etc. etc. etc.
Our "Schnoodle" (we NEVER call him that--it isn't a breed) doesn't shed, he is amazing in every way, and we love him so much. He is perfect for us. That doesn't mean that the breeder was good, that we respect them, or that we would ever consider buying from them again. Now, I am more educated about ethical breeding--I recognize my mistake and will not repeat it!
Rescue sites that have Golden Retreiver/Poodle mixes:
http://www.poomixrescue.com/home.htm#goldenpoos
http://www.nextdaypets.com/directory/dogs/4a38dd70-8102.aspx (1/10 of your price, 4 months)
http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=7159840 (9 months)
-And there are so many more...
wow..I guess I am a babe in the woods to what some people will breed and sell...it never crossed my mind to try and sell my mixed pups..for one thing the mom I rescued when she was 5 weeks old from the side of the road and the dad well like Ive said he was a stray...how can you honestly take mixed breeds and guarantee anything about them...I've always heard *mutts* are good loyal animals but there is plenty of them out in the world..why make it your business to breed more and then try to sell them for profit...it baffles me...no disrespect to you bsan..I love my *mutts* but I would never try to pass them off as well bred pedigrees..thats crazy..and the names of the dogs just make me giggle..thought I was in a bakery shop....had me trying to figure out a name for my many breed pups