Aspen Kennels - Should be called "Mixes R Us"
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BSan. An ethical, reputable breeder, breeds to better a BREED. They spend much of their lives showing and titling their dogs to prove that they are worth breeding, they do health checks and have life time guarantees. They devote 99% of their time to their dogs, breed for temperment and standard of the BREED. They don't need to advertise, they have a waiting list of approved homes before they breed their dogs, they plan for years and years in advance for 1 single breeding. They know their breed inside and out, understand genetics, training, etc. The puppies are extremely well socialized (as well are the parents), there have prospective new owners sign contracts, they keep in contact with everyone they have sold a puppy to. They don't pass their dogs of as something they are not. THEY DON'T BREED TO MAKE $1500 OFF THEIR DOGS AND THEY DON'T CROSS BREED DOGS FOR THE HECK OF IT! As a matter of fact, good breeders will make very little or no money or even lose a lot of money breeding their dogs. If I have missed anything please feel free to ad.....it is late! Also Renee is right, take a look at the stickies. They will tell you exactly what a good breeder is
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Yeah. Like, I don't mind when crosses pop up, it happens. Thats how I got my dog. My neighbors went to go spay their female and found out she was pregnant, lol.
But to charge, THAT MUCH for pretty much, a mutt, is insane. Sure, they're cute, and I can see like, 200 bucks, maybe, but 1500? Hell no. That's just wrong. It's fooling people into thinking they're rare breeds, when they're not. Poor people.
But to charge, THAT MUCH for pretty much, a mutt, is insane. Sure, they're cute, and I can see like, 200 bucks, maybe, but 1500? Hell no. That's just wrong. It's fooling people into thinking they're rare breeds, when they're not. Poor people.
is it me or do the "Doodlemans" look alot like german wirehair's, why create a "new breed" that looks alot like half the other wirehaired pointer/pincher looking breeds?!
My parents spaniel is a MILL rescue, hes a rare and amazing "AmericanEnglish Cocker Spaniel" hes simply a mix of the american and english cocker
So for weve not had any health problems, hes behaviourally wonderfull extreemly inteligent and just a great all around dog (hes only 4) and we love him absolutly no questions, however even though he is healthy and smart does not mean his breeder is repuatable or ethical! infact they were quite the opposite!
an ethical repuatable breeder works to better a breed, and makes no money off doing such...
$1500 for a mutt is simply...ridiculous and echos those well thought out prices that any "ethcial" petstore, backyard breeder and puppy mill charge for ALL their dogs, pure or mixed...
Tell me why is it an ethical breeder can offer a gorgeous pedigreed poodle or golden with health cert parents from champion lines and generations of health test and genetic background for under $1000, yet everyone else can charge $1500 for a dog whome we have no idea about any kind of health testing???
and unless there offering a LIFETIME guarentte agains eyes, hips, knees and heart and other genetic issues that could occur from EITHER of the parents breeds, their guarentee for hips is worthless, most hip problmes dont occure untill 3-6 yrs old...so a 2 years guarentee is worthless...
My parents spaniel is a MILL rescue, hes a rare and amazing "AmericanEnglish Cocker Spaniel" hes simply a mix of the american and english cocker
So for weve not had any health problems, hes behaviourally wonderfull extreemly inteligent and just a great all around dog (hes only 4) and we love him absolutly no questions, however even though he is healthy and smart does not mean his breeder is repuatable or ethical! infact they were quite the opposite!
an ethical repuatable breeder works to better a breed, and makes no money off doing such...
$1500 for a mutt is simply...ridiculous and echos those well thought out prices that any "ethcial" petstore, backyard breeder and puppy mill charge for ALL their dogs, pure or mixed...
Tell me why is it an ethical breeder can offer a gorgeous pedigreed poodle or golden with health cert parents from champion lines and generations of health test and genetic background for under $1000, yet everyone else can charge $1500 for a dog whome we have no idea about any kind of health testing???
and unless there offering a LIFETIME guarentte agains eyes, hips, knees and heart and other genetic issues that could occur from EITHER of the parents breeds, their guarentee for hips is worthless, most hip problmes dont occure untill 3-6 yrs old...so a 2 years guarentee is worthless...
B san glad you stayed love the pics.. And all I ask you to do is absorb what you find here and if you change you mind one day about who you would buy from or adopt from better yet pls give us a update.
I understand the kids issue it makes adopting harder but not impossible in the breeds you mentioned you like.
I also understand the allergy issue dearly i cant imagine being a person who loves dogs but can have one...
1500 was way over the top thou IMO just opinion
I charge 1350( nonbreeding) for 3 generations of OFA or pH Champion TT Excellent working dogs.. And im in the red each yeare where this breeder and you can do the math is breeding for business does she love her dogs maybe..
People who breed for commercial profit reasons have to exceed the bar raise beyond what most breeders to to explain why they produce pups for profit.
They cant skim under it or not try at all.
Again no attacks wishes you best .
I do hope she insisted you fix the dog.
I understand the kids issue it makes adopting harder but not impossible in the breeds you mentioned you like.
I also understand the allergy issue dearly i cant imagine being a person who loves dogs but can have one...
1500 was way over the top thou IMO just opinion
I charge 1350( nonbreeding) for 3 generations of OFA or pH Champion TT Excellent working dogs.. And im in the red each yeare where this breeder and you can do the math is breeding for business does she love her dogs maybe..
People who breed for commercial profit reasons have to exceed the bar raise beyond what most breeders to to explain why they produce pups for profit.
They cant skim under it or not try at all.
Again no attacks wishes you best .
I do hope she insisted you fix the dog.
Cute picture of your dog Herschel!
Thanks Renee for your guide to the sticky!
Planet Molosser, thanks for your gentle words and info!
(FYI- yes we will be neutering Herbie sometime between 18mths. and 2 yrs. our choice for that time frame)
paid 1200$$ for Herbie.........we knew he was not a "new" rare breed. As far as rare, the only rare part for us was finding ones with a potential to be very silver, and more wavy then curly. Most of them are gold, some black and chocolate. The other factor was the slightly stockier build from the English golden retreiver (we had a half english lab/half american lab, and loved the exta strong looking build without the short legs). We really like retreivers. I considered standard poodles, (met two and loved them...one was a service dog) my husband did not prefer them, and we were both ready for less shedding. I also liked the silver poodle father. They have very nice looking dogs, at least to us. We also wanted to know specifics as far as personality, for the particular one we were looking at. They offered a health guarantee ( I know from what all of you have said is less then adequate). We don't regret getting our puppy at all. It was the most we ever paid for a dog, we knew we would probably not do it again. I am sure that the breeders do not fit your standards, so really don't want to argue about it, nor will I spend time defending them, because obviously, I am sincerely not as knowlegeable as most of you. We hope and pray that he stays healthy, and lives a good life with us. There is really no guarantee with any dog from any backround, just how long we get to enjoy them. As far as what value we put on them (all of our pets), all of ours were far worth every $$ spent. They gave more back then we could give. When all three of our pets became sick, and eventually died last year, our vet bills were pretty substantial, and far exceeded what we paid for our new puppy, and on top of that, even with intervention, we still lost them. Everyone has to decide for themselves what they are willing to pay both for the dogs/pets, and their care. This dog is exactly what we wanted. We are not dissappointed, very pleased with his temperament, his personality, and to us he is adorable, and such an affectionate, sweet dog. Thanks for all your information, and for your welcome, even though initially it was a little rough.
Thanks Renee for your guide to the sticky!
Planet Molosser, thanks for your gentle words and info!
(FYI- yes we will be neutering Herbie sometime between 18mths. and 2 yrs. our choice for that time frame)
paid 1200$$ for Herbie.........we knew he was not a "new" rare breed. As far as rare, the only rare part for us was finding ones with a potential to be very silver, and more wavy then curly. Most of them are gold, some black and chocolate. The other factor was the slightly stockier build from the English golden retreiver (we had a half english lab/half american lab, and loved the exta strong looking build without the short legs). We really like retreivers. I considered standard poodles, (met two and loved them...one was a service dog) my husband did not prefer them, and we were both ready for less shedding. I also liked the silver poodle father. They have very nice looking dogs, at least to us. We also wanted to know specifics as far as personality, for the particular one we were looking at. They offered a health guarantee ( I know from what all of you have said is less then adequate). We don't regret getting our puppy at all. It was the most we ever paid for a dog, we knew we would probably not do it again. I am sure that the breeders do not fit your standards, so really don't want to argue about it, nor will I spend time defending them, because obviously, I am sincerely not as knowlegeable as most of you. We hope and pray that he stays healthy, and lives a good life with us. There is really no guarantee with any dog from any backround, just how long we get to enjoy them. As far as what value we put on them (all of our pets), all of ours were far worth every $$ spent. They gave more back then we could give. When all three of our pets became sick, and eventually died last year, our vet bills were pretty substantial, and far exceeded what we paid for our new puppy, and on top of that, even with intervention, we still lost them. Everyone has to decide for themselves what they are willing to pay both for the dogs/pets, and their care. This dog is exactly what we wanted. We are not dissappointed, very pleased with his temperament, his personality, and to us he is adorable, and such an affectionate, sweet dog. Thanks for all your information, and for your welcome, even though initially it was a little rough.
Thanks again Planet Molosser. Willing to be open to input, esp. from someone who speaks from the heart. I can hear it a bit better that way, then the full in the face approach. I hope that can be a learning point for others as well. Most of us have much in common, or we wouldn't be on this website. Dogs are the greatest!
I feel it's very poor taste to take a website or a photo and criticise it so violently when the person responsible for/depicted in the photo is not there to defend themselves or shed light on the situation. I would NEVER bring something out of the blue - that is good cause for slander, lible suits, etc.
With that said, I don't care for the looks of the doberman crosses.
I do love a good dobie though.
BSan, WELCOME to Chazhound. Please do not be deterred by the "passionate" responses of some members. Many of them work in rescues and have different personal experiences than some other people -- truly the only way to know the entire situation is to ask, and to put yourself in the shoes of others which people don't always do. Sorry you got that blast to begin with, and glad you could shed some light on the practices of the kennel you chose to get your dog from. Good luck with "Herbie" and please do stick around!
Amanda
With that said, I don't care for the looks of the doberman crosses.
I do love a good dobie though.BSan, WELCOME to Chazhound. Please do not be deterred by the "passionate" responses of some members. Many of them work in rescues and have different personal experiences than some other people -- truly the only way to know the entire situation is to ask, and to put yourself in the shoes of others which people don't always do. Sorry you got that blast to begin with, and glad you could shed some light on the practices of the kennel you chose to get your dog from. Good luck with "Herbie" and please do stick around!
Amanda
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I don't think she shed any light on the kennel she bought her dog from to be quite honest. We have our beliefs and just because this breeder does do something good, (shelter training) that has nothing to do with the way they breed, doesn't mean she shed light on the breeding ethics of this breeder. I think it is a very good thing when people post stuff like this. It lets people new to Chaz know which ones are reputable and which ones aren't. IMHO. I am not trying to bash anyone here but this is the way I feel. Not only that but this person has, I think, realized that this kennel may have not been the best.
I sent these disgraceful people an email... man they **** me off.
I just want to state that it is a complete disgrace what you and other people like you are doing. Isn't there enough dog breeds in this world, and mixed breeds in this world for you? If you want to be good about it, maybe try sheltering homeless dogs, or pick a specific breed and work on improving it! Don't go and create more dogs and "breeds" that will continue the overpopulation of dogs out there. It is sad how you all just pick a couple of different breeds and mix them together. They are living things, DOGS, not different colors of paint that you can throw into a bucket and see what comes out!!! Good Ridance, you all should be shut down. You all don't understand the severity of the situation you all are causing. Any dog is beautiful, so I am not saying yours are'nt, but there is no need to be doing what you all are doing. You all are just in it for the money and that is it. People should beware of you, and maybe some will learn soon if more of us go and educate others of your carelessness and others like you!!!
I just want to state that it is a complete disgrace what you and other people like you are doing. Isn't there enough dog breeds in this world, and mixed breeds in this world for you? If you want to be good about it, maybe try sheltering homeless dogs, or pick a specific breed and work on improving it! Don't go and create more dogs and "breeds" that will continue the overpopulation of dogs out there. It is sad how you all just pick a couple of different breeds and mix them together. They are living things, DOGS, not different colors of paint that you can throw into a bucket and see what comes out!!! Good Ridance, you all should be shut down. You all don't understand the severity of the situation you all are causing. Any dog is beautiful, so I am not saying yours are'nt, but there is no need to be doing what you all are doing. You all are just in it for the money and that is it. People should beware of you, and maybe some will learn soon if more of us go and educate others of your carelessness and others like you!!!
Aurora, I agree...
Chul I think that how you did what you did was unwise and unnecessarily unkind. (I expect that you will agree as you get older, but may not believe me right now!)
Muggie's Mum, thank you for your balanced and responsible post! A 'mum' is exactly what's needed around here at the moment!
Bsan, welcome!!! Sorry you've had such a pummeling from just walking in the room and joining a conversation.
Herschel, your dog is gorgeous!! What a darl'.
...and...can we stop this now????
D.
Chul I think that how you did what you did was unwise and unnecessarily unkind. (I expect that you will agree as you get older, but may not believe me right now!)
Muggie's Mum, thank you for your balanced and responsible post! A 'mum' is exactly what's needed around here at the moment!
Bsan, welcome!!! Sorry you've had such a pummeling from just walking in the room and joining a conversation.
Herschel, your dog is gorgeous!! What a darl'.
...and...can we stop this now????
D.
its not the email itself thats the problem, its basically the way it was put.
you get nowhere by just bashing people, being like that they just dump the email and forget all about it, if yelling and screaming worked there woudl be no problems in the world right now.
Sometimes you HAVE to be a diplomat, be patient and choose words correctly to get the best response...
Its no good just screaming your head off...explain and teach don't dictate!
(as hard as that can be in situations in whihc one feels strongly about...im a sag, opinionated and often stubborn and hard headed, but 99% of the time, it just doesnt work!)
you get nowhere by just bashing people, being like that they just dump the email and forget all about it, if yelling and screaming worked there woudl be no problems in the world right now.
Sometimes you HAVE to be a diplomat, be patient and choose words correctly to get the best response...
Its no good just screaming your head off...explain and teach don't dictate!
(as hard as that can be in situations in whihc one feels strongly about...im a sag, opinionated and often stubborn and hard headed, but 99% of the time, it just doesnt work!)