Animal cruelty v. important u read this thread

[Irish]

Well said Creature Teacher! It is so important that we educate ourselves so that we don't unknowingly support animal abuse. This forum is great, maybe some people will walk away with new attitudes towards circuses, fur, meat industry etc.

I also refuse to give money to organizations that perform animal testing. This does not mean I'm against any real/necessary tests that could actually save human lives. I am against the repetitive unnessecary tests that prove things already known. If there are two charities that help kids with cancer, one does animal testing and one does not - why not give to the one that does not? Simple little decisions like this I believe will make a difference.

 

[Saje]

Did you know that the Body Shop's (one of the most prominent company that claims it doesn't test on animals) parent company tests on animals. Which means the final product isn't tested on animals but the ingredients going in it are.

 

[joce]

Your awfully unrealistic. While I could keep cows and pigs here what are people in city limits supposed to do? Starve? Not everyone can produce their own meat. I am sure there are more than a couple people on here with no room for a cow let alone having the knowledge to raise it.

 

[Saje]

I don't understand you post, Joce, sorry. Who's being unrealistic? And why would anyone starve in the city?

 

[joce]

The person who started this thread said people should only eat what they raise. It is very unrealistic. You can't even own a farm animal in the city.

 

[Saje]

Oh. Well, that's true in a lot of cases. Here, you can have chickens and it's quite easy to have a garden. You don't need a lot of land to survive on a garden.

I've read in multiple source, albeit vegetarian ones, that a vegan used less water in one year to produce his/her food than an ominvore uses in a month. And I can't remember the numbers but a vegan's food comes off a considerably smaller amount of land than an ominvores. That book is in storage or I'd look it up.

So, from an environmental point of view beinga vegetarian makes sense.

I'm not saying everyone should go out and be a vegetarian. It's up to each person to decide that on their own. Some people try it and are not successful health-wise, like Gustav. I think it's a very personal choice and I'm not going to say it's the right or only way to live.

It just happens to be right for me for my health and peace of mind.

 

[BassetLover**]

id like to add my piece.

my oppinion on PETA is they take it too far, they actually dont want people to keep dogs as pets or ride horses!
i am not vegetarian and i have leather items.
i am against fur but in the cases of people in sivere climates who NEED it.
to the person who started this post:
i see you are only 15, nothing wrong with that but you dont know the ins and outs of the world yet, when you havea family and need to support, feed and clothe them then you will understand. if you were flat broke and your kids needed a meal and you went to the shops where they had meat on one side at a very low price and vegetarian options on the other that you couldnt afford, would you let the kids starve or would you buy the meat?
this is the problem faced by a lot of people in the world, the farmers have to farm and the families have to eat so i wont protest against meat.

 

[mrose_s]

The person who started this thread said people should only eat what they raise. It is very unrealistic. You can't even own a farm animal in the city.

what i meant was, if we were natural, we wouldn't be destroying tree's for cities, let alone raising cows, pigs, chickens etc to eat.
If we were like other animals we would hunt it. Not breed it and lock it up just so we go through minimal stress.

 

[mrose_s]

and BAsset Lover, I am only 15, i dont intend on having a family to care for because I don't like other people in general very much. I'de rather stay home on the weekends with my family than go out with my friends.

Ofcourse you would buy the meat, but i won't be stuck in that situation because I can stay with my mother.
I think slaughterhouse meat is morely wrong. Just because I'm only 15 doesn't mean I have no idea about the real world. I love all animals and I hate the way a lot of them are treated.

I'm doing stuff to help them and i'm not going to stop because people think taht i cant handle the "real world"
If I'm not in the real world yet, then where the hell am i?

 

[Renee750il]

The thing is, mrose, believe it or not, at this stage in your life the consequences of your choices - and the imperatives of your choices - are much less ambiguous. Things can still be relatively black and white for you. As you grow and experience more and gain different perspectives, there is more grey area to deal with, more far reaching and complex consequences, and you become more acutely aware of the impact your choices have on others.

It's all part of growing into maturity. Did you know that it's now been discovered that your brain doesn't function in the same manner as it will when you're physically mature?

 

[mrose_s]

Renee, I no I am not fully mature. THings can be black and white, BUT OFCOURSE THERE ARE GREY SPOTS.
I no I won't win this argument because as much as I can try to proove that I am mature, it won't work. I may be young but I am willing to acept that people younger than I do have a very important opinion on issues affecting todays society.

I'm not trying to offend you, but maturity isn't black and white either, not all 15 year olds are just obsessed with make up and boys. Occasionally you'll find one that cares about major issues in todays society. ie: Animal Cruelty

When talking about animal rights, it does not matter how old you are, but rather, if you are passionate, age has nothing to do with it. Being young and passionat is good, it means you have you'r whole life ahead of you to help fix the problems you face.

If you are not willing to accept thaT I have a strong opinion on this matter, then fine. But you must remember, agism is another problem that the world has to deal with.

 

[Renee750il]

No, no, mrose, that's not the kind of differentiation in maturity we're talking about. I'm always thrilled when I see someone your age - or even younger - so passionate about something that really does matter.

And no, you can't be expected to know the spectrum of greys in between. It's not possible to have a real concept of it until you find yourself in the middle of it. I was a lot like you when I was even younger than you are now. Shoot - I was a soapbox-dragging terror by the time I was 12! By the time I was 14 I wanted to get a law degree, go to work for the government, and destroy the corrupt system from the inside (guess I still do to some extent ). I do manage to cause some trouble every now and again . . .

If you'll take a read at this article http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/teenbrain/work/adolescent.html I think you'll see that the kind of maturity you have yet to achieve has nothing to do with becoming jaded or apathetic, and it will help you to understand how you react to certain things - and let you see a glimpse of what you are to become. I know I wish this information had been available to me back then, lol. It would have saved me a lot of wondering if I was crazy or if the rest of the world was just stupid!

But I do think you've got a good start on becoming a caring, effective and dynamic human being.

 

[mrose_s]

I havn't just began this "animal rights" thing recently, I do all my school assignmnets on it, I have been interested in animals for MY ENTIRE LIFE.
I was going to be a veteranarian, I can't handle surgery, I have settled now on animal caring and trainingg.

 

[Renee750il]

I didn't think it was a new thing for you. It's very obvious that it is something that's very much a part of your being.

There are a lot more animal health careers out there now, including alternative and holistic animal treatment, acupuncture.

Emma, CreatureTeacher, can give you a lot of excellent insights into building a groundwork for a career in training.

 

[mrose_s]

Thanks, i'll talk to her about it.

 

[meowzz]

..... the site seem quite...nice... but it is so cruelty...eating of meat?

 

[Agility23]

IT is if its killed in the way shown on peta

 

[CreatureTeacher]

It should also be noted along those lines that no one's forcing people to have children. I will never reproduce, so I won't have to make those hard financial choices for anyone other than my furkids. (Who, incidentally, eat better than I do! )

 

[mrose_s]

you got that right. They always recieve better care from you than you do . Isnt that the way it goes with evryone LOL

 

[yohan520]

Do not let this group fool you. They are an extreme organization and you should think twice before you say you support this group. A little bit of research will reveal that PETA is.. in a word- CRAZY! I hope you realize that the group calls for the "total liberation of animals." This means absolutely no animals for food, medical research or circuses. Not even seeing-eye or assistance dogs. Is this the kind of crazy group that you want to say you support?

Here are some quotes that shows you what the group has to say.
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"To those people who say, `My father is alive because of animal experimentation,' I say `Yeah, well, good for you. This dog died so your father could live.' Sorry, but I am just not behind that kind of trade off."
- Bill Maher, PETA celebrity spokesman

"Six million Jews died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler chickens will die this year in slaughter houses."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, The Washington Post, November 13, 1983.

"The bottom line is that people don't have the right to manipulate or to breed dogs and cats ... If people want toys they should buy inanimate objects. If they want companionship they should seek it with their own kind."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, "Animals," May/June 1993

"Pet ownership is an abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, Washingtonian, August 1986

"I wish we all would get up and go into the labs and take the animals out or burn them down."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, National Animal Rights Convention '97, June 27, 1997

"If a girl gets sexual pleasure from riding a horse, does the horse suffer? If not, who cares? If you French kiss your dog and he or she thinks it's great, is it wrong? We believe all exploitation and abuse is wrong. If it isn't exploitation and abuse, it may not be wrong."
-Ingrid Newkirk, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals

"Every day is ground zero for animals in slaughterhouses."
-Lisa Lange, Director of policy and communications, PETA, St. Petersburg Times, published November 27, 2001

I can go on and on and on! I did an extensive amount of research back in the day because I was interested in joining a group that stands for animal welfare. However, there is a big difference between animal welfare and animal rights. Sure, I want animals to live in a good environment, but humans come first.

Anyone who supports PeTA should be considered an ecoterrorist. Is that what you want to support? They are funding terrorist groups and arsonists. Is this what you want?

Here are some resources. They should make for some interesting reading.

http://www.animalrights.net/
http://brianoconnor.typepad.com/animal_crackers/2005/03/peta_and_peta_a.html

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