Animal cruelty v. important u read this thread
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I apologize in advance if this gets a little snippy. This is an extremely sensitive subject to me.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet. I'm a veggie, completely against fur, volunteer at my local humane society, attend mass protests against agencies that practice animal cruelty, and I am TOTALLY AGAINST PETA.
Although they will tell you differently, the higher-up members of PETA are nothing better than a bunch of violent thugs. They admit to connections with the Earth Liberation Front, a group of destructive eco-terrorists. The leaders of PETA called a young arsonist who burned down a medical lab which practiced research on rats a "nice young man." Members of PETA burn down the homes of people who run cattle and pig ranches. These are hypocrites who enjoy medical advances--like insulin and organ transplants--developed by the same medical community they terrorize. They hold rallies outside humane societies--HUMANE SOCIETIES!!--and try to close them down. They break windows at the homes of managers and operators of animal shelters. They terrorize good people who are actually working to make a difference and don't give a **** what their members do to get their point across.
I have a huge problem with the way animals are treated in the meat industry. I have a huge problem with fur. I have a huge problem with cruelty in medical laboratories. But there is a way to do things and a way not to do things. Burning down a lab isn't going to make people think twice about the way the animals are treated. It's going to make them think you're insane and the things that you stand for are also insane. The right way to do it is through education, not through violence.
Did you know that if it was up to PETA, you would not be able to keep pets legally? That's right. They want ALL interference with animals to stop. But they don't tell that to the general public. They lie and carouse and weasel people into thinking they're a "good" organization, when they're really just ignorant, manic, unproductive, hypocritical thugs who accomplish nothing for the animal rights movement and actually are setting us back by leaps and bounds almost every day. Here is what PETA actually believes: http://www.altpet.net/petition/arquote.html Read all of them. They're appalling.
If you don't believe me, read these:
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/advertisements_detail.cfm/ad/4
http://www.cnsnews.com/Culture/Archive/200211/CUL20021121b.html
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/2621
http://www.nbc5.com/news/2046672/detail.html
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1430196/03102000/pretenders.jhtml
http://www.animalrights.net/archives/year/2004/000190.html
You can find dozens more just like these and worse. These people don't educate themselves or bother to think about the effects of their actions, and it's the animals who suffer.
It's not that I object to the concepts. I object to the way they conduct themselves. And Ingrid Newkirk, the president of PETA, refuses to condemn any actions that she feels benefit their cause, including assaults, arson, destruction of property, etc. They're just making it harder for the rest of us who are trying to help animals in productive and permanent ways. If you want to help, try these people. They're actually doing things that count toward our cause, and not against it:
http://www.greenpeace.org
http://www.aspca.org
http://www.americanhumane.org
http://www.nrdc.org
http://www.hsus.org
http://www.nature.org
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet. I'm a veggie, completely against fur, volunteer at my local humane society, attend mass protests against agencies that practice animal cruelty, and I am TOTALLY AGAINST PETA.
Although they will tell you differently, the higher-up members of PETA are nothing better than a bunch of violent thugs. They admit to connections with the Earth Liberation Front, a group of destructive eco-terrorists. The leaders of PETA called a young arsonist who burned down a medical lab which practiced research on rats a "nice young man." Members of PETA burn down the homes of people who run cattle and pig ranches. These are hypocrites who enjoy medical advances--like insulin and organ transplants--developed by the same medical community they terrorize. They hold rallies outside humane societies--HUMANE SOCIETIES!!--and try to close them down. They break windows at the homes of managers and operators of animal shelters. They terrorize good people who are actually working to make a difference and don't give a **** what their members do to get their point across.
I have a huge problem with the way animals are treated in the meat industry. I have a huge problem with fur. I have a huge problem with cruelty in medical laboratories. But there is a way to do things and a way not to do things. Burning down a lab isn't going to make people think twice about the way the animals are treated. It's going to make them think you're insane and the things that you stand for are also insane. The right way to do it is through education, not through violence.
Did you know that if it was up to PETA, you would not be able to keep pets legally? That's right. They want ALL interference with animals to stop. But they don't tell that to the general public. They lie and carouse and weasel people into thinking they're a "good" organization, when they're really just ignorant, manic, unproductive, hypocritical thugs who accomplish nothing for the animal rights movement and actually are setting us back by leaps and bounds almost every day. Here is what PETA actually believes: http://www.altpet.net/petition/arquote.html Read all of them. They're appalling.
If you don't believe me, read these:
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/advertisements_detail.cfm/ad/4
http://www.cnsnews.com/Culture/Archive/200211/CUL20021121b.html
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/2621
http://www.nbc5.com/news/2046672/detail.html
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1430196/03102000/pretenders.jhtml
http://www.animalrights.net/archives/year/2004/000190.html
You can find dozens more just like these and worse. These people don't educate themselves or bother to think about the effects of their actions, and it's the animals who suffer.
It's not that I object to the concepts. I object to the way they conduct themselves. And Ingrid Newkirk, the president of PETA, refuses to condemn any actions that she feels benefit their cause, including assaults, arson, destruction of property, etc. They're just making it harder for the rest of us who are trying to help animals in productive and permanent ways. If you want to help, try these people. They're actually doing things that count toward our cause, and not against it:
http://www.greenpeace.org
http://www.aspca.org
http://www.americanhumane.org
http://www.nrdc.org
http://www.hsus.org
http://www.nature.org
I also hate peta with everything I have! I grew up around and in farms and I'm still here. If you live in a city or somewhere where you have never touched a cow it may be something completely different to you.
"for instance, pigs are sometimes moved by hitting them brutally with sticks"
How else would you like them killed? You can't inject them because people need to eat them. That is why there are chemicals in so much of the dog food, because they do end up using euthenasia drugs. They put a pole gun to there head and pull it. They are dead instantly.
Animals are kept how they are because it is the only way the farmers can keep going. If they have free range chickens thay add thousands more on production. Even the stuff that says free range in a grocery store isn't. All they do is move a pen they are still scrunched in around a field.
And if they did change everything and treat every animal as a pet,meat would cost 35 dollars a pound. Then people would be moaning that the poor are starving. I have friends that own dairy and meat farms. Let me tell you how well they would take to a peta nutt coming onto their land! These animals are there life. Not to mention that i don't think it is right to treat farm production animals as pets. You don't hug what you eat.
As far as the fur thing I think if someone wants to buy fur as long as they know where it comes from good for them.(that fur video was made to infurriate people by the way. Don't feed into it) Leather is great! My favorite thing I own is my leather purse. Do you have any clue how spoiled leather making cows are? THey can't even have barb wire fences that most cows get. I hear people saying that they are against leather but have you looked at your shoes lately? Most shoes have at least a little on them.
I read one of their magazines at my college and almost puked. It said to free all the chained dogs. If someone came in my yard and unchained my husky I would hurt them. Badly. She isn't out there all day,just to eat,and they said any dog on a chain needs freed.
Anyway-long rant done. But sit down and seriouesly think how much it would cost a family to eat if all of these animals were not made into food? How would all of these farmers survive? I am not afraid to say it-peta is a horrible organization. Even if they do one good thing,the bad things out number it.
"for instance, pigs are sometimes moved by hitting them brutally with sticks"
How else would you like them killed? You can't inject them because people need to eat them. That is why there are chemicals in so much of the dog food, because they do end up using euthenasia drugs. They put a pole gun to there head and pull it. They are dead instantly.
Animals are kept how they are because it is the only way the farmers can keep going. If they have free range chickens thay add thousands more on production. Even the stuff that says free range in a grocery store isn't. All they do is move a pen they are still scrunched in around a field.
And if they did change everything and treat every animal as a pet,meat would cost 35 dollars a pound. Then people would be moaning that the poor are starving. I have friends that own dairy and meat farms. Let me tell you how well they would take to a peta nutt coming onto their land! These animals are there life. Not to mention that i don't think it is right to treat farm production animals as pets. You don't hug what you eat.
As far as the fur thing I think if someone wants to buy fur as long as they know where it comes from good for them.(that fur video was made to infurriate people by the way. Don't feed into it) Leather is great! My favorite thing I own is my leather purse. Do you have any clue how spoiled leather making cows are? THey can't even have barb wire fences that most cows get. I hear people saying that they are against leather but have you looked at your shoes lately? Most shoes have at least a little on them.
I read one of their magazines at my college and almost puked. It said to free all the chained dogs. If someone came in my yard and unchained my husky I would hurt them. Badly. She isn't out there all day,just to eat,and they said any dog on a chain needs freed.
Anyway-long rant done. But sit down and seriouesly think how much it would cost a family to eat if all of these animals were not made into food? How would all of these farmers survive? I am not afraid to say it-peta is a horrible organization. Even if they do one good thing,the bad things out number it.
Animal rights are one of my passions, however, I have not found an organization that mirrors by beliefs. Yes PETA goes overboard.
Fur is always wrong. There is no regulations on how the animals are killed so it can be by beating them in the head or anal electrocution. Also, in order to get their pelts thick, they are left out in all kinds of weather (in cages). It is always cruel, no matter what. People may argue that they need to meat to live a healthy life, but no one needs fur to live a healthy life. It is an easy choice to do without for the sake of the animals.
I give a lot of credit to all the vegetarians out there. I am not one but support the humane slaughter of these animals.
You guys have not mentioned the biggest animal cruelty, in my opinion, which is circuses. I hate when they come to town. The beautiful majestic elephants, that in the wild love to roam constantly, forced to be in chains the rest of their lives for our "entertainment". Lions taught to do stupid pet tricks. I'm sorry but I think this is the biggest travesty of all. And no matter how many times the circust owners claim that they love and care for their animals - I can't beleive the animals can be taught to do things so against their nature without force. Their has even been proof caught on camera of the trainers using stabbing devices to get the elephants to stand on their hind legs.
I guess we all need to research and do what we feel is right in our hearts. Thats what is important - taking the time to find out what you believe is wrong and working to make a change.
Fur is always wrong. There is no regulations on how the animals are killed so it can be by beating them in the head or anal electrocution. Also, in order to get their pelts thick, they are left out in all kinds of weather (in cages). It is always cruel, no matter what. People may argue that they need to meat to live a healthy life, but no one needs fur to live a healthy life. It is an easy choice to do without for the sake of the animals.
I give a lot of credit to all the vegetarians out there. I am not one but support the humane slaughter of these animals.
You guys have not mentioned the biggest animal cruelty, in my opinion, which is circuses. I hate when they come to town. The beautiful majestic elephants, that in the wild love to roam constantly, forced to be in chains the rest of their lives for our "entertainment". Lions taught to do stupid pet tricks. I'm sorry but I think this is the biggest travesty of all. And no matter how many times the circust owners claim that they love and care for their animals - I can't beleive the animals can be taught to do things so against their nature without force. Their has even been proof caught on camera of the trainers using stabbing devices to get the elephants to stand on their hind legs.
I guess we all need to research and do what we feel is right in our hearts. Thats what is important - taking the time to find out what you believe is wrong and working to make a change.
I protest the circus every time it comes to Denver. It's like fur: if people wouldn't support it, there wouldn't be a market. But people would rather enjoy a performance and not consider the hideous inhumane actions that go on behind the scenes. When I was very young I saw a video of a man chain an elephant to a wall, soak its feet with a hose, and shock it over and over with a severed electrical cord to "break it" (the elephant). I have a very special place in my heart for circus animals. I donate to a circus animal rehab in Montana every month.
just because things are illegaalised doesnt mean they dont happen, murder is illegal and people get killed everyday...
PETA may do these horrible things but thats nothing compared to what happes to the animals, i dont know, maybe i'm being silly...
we aren't part of PETA, and i dont mean to sound as if I dont care for the animals by supporting this organisation...I am simply looking for a way to help them, and i know i can't do it by myself, they are not perfect and i am not trying to defend them as i dont know the full story...
OK, so i doesnt matter about PETA. What matters is stoppping cruelty to animals...
Sorry if this is a bit extreme but this is all i care about when i think about it...
I dont feel for poeple as i do for animals,
if a building falls down in a movie and a dog dies, and so do 10 people, i'll get upset for the dog...
PETA may do these horrible things but thats nothing compared to what happes to the animals, i dont know, maybe i'm being silly...
we aren't part of PETA, and i dont mean to sound as if I dont care for the animals by supporting this organisation...I am simply looking for a way to help them, and i know i can't do it by myself, they are not perfect and i am not trying to defend them as i dont know the full story...
OK, so i doesnt matter about PETA. What matters is stoppping cruelty to animals...
Sorry if this is a bit extreme but this is all i care about when i think about it...
I dont feel for poeple as i do for animals,
if a building falls down in a movie and a dog dies, and so do 10 people, i'll get upset for the dog...
my mum thibnks that circusses are ok because its better to have one animal suffer and to have a few people recognise the importance of them.
I won't go to circusses anymore i've decided, unless i know the animals are well treated.
I saw one a while ago that had a heap of minature ponies and shetlands.
they would just tie them all up on a long rope or in a yard, they were all very kind ponies and i never saw them being hurt, mistreated or acting as if they were scared... they were all very friendly and loved people,(a mistreated animal would shy away and be a lot more frightened) i would visit this circus because i know that these animals are treated humanly and with respect, wich is more than i can say for many other circuses.
If their is a reason i shouldnt be supporting this imparticular show, please tell me, i'm still learning, and i am happy to change my mind if i am confronted with a good argumant.
I wont make all the right decisions, but i want to... please let me know if you disagree with anything im saying
I won't go to circusses anymore i've decided, unless i know the animals are well treated.
I saw one a while ago that had a heap of minature ponies and shetlands.
they would just tie them all up on a long rope or in a yard, they were all very kind ponies and i never saw them being hurt, mistreated or acting as if they were scared... they were all very friendly and loved people,(a mistreated animal would shy away and be a lot more frightened) i would visit this circus because i know that these animals are treated humanly and with respect, wich is more than i can say for many other circuses.
If their is a reason i shouldnt be supporting this imparticular show, please tell me, i'm still learning, and i am happy to change my mind if i am confronted with a good argumant.
I wont make all the right decisions, but i want to... please let me know if you disagree with anything im saying
THIS IS A BIT GRAPHIC:
I've mentioned this before but my boyfriend worked at a slaughter house for about two weeks before he quit. I won't go into too many details but he had a pretty nasty job.
He told me all about the bins for pet food.
And also that quite often, I think he said one in ten, of the cows that went through didn't die right away but nobody cared. If things misfired or whatever they just kept going through the plant.
If animals are wounded on a farm they are shipped wounded to the slaughter house sometimes left with broken legs for days without being treated because the meat needs to be fresh and they can't have painkillers... in their system
Pregnant cows often go through the slaughter house for a variety of reasons and the babies are cut out of the cows while they are still alive. Thrown into shaft, alive, to the floor below where their necks are slit and they bleed to death.
I'm only saying this because you can have the happiest cows in the pasture but the way they meat their end is not such an easy death. Often they wait outside the slaughterhouse for quite awhile. Do you not think that they can't smell/sense what's going on? How horrible. I can't imagine anything worse.
Peta, I have mixed feelings about. They are extremists but I do think they have their purpose. I've called them about things before like a tv network that had fur on their shows. I wrote the network and then emailed peta and got them on that. Fur is coming back into style for whatever reason and it really irritates me. There are such wonderful fakes. What's the point? Prestidge?
Sorry if I grossed anyone out.
I've mentioned this before but my boyfriend worked at a slaughter house for about two weeks before he quit. I won't go into too many details but he had a pretty nasty job.
He told me all about the bins for pet food.
And also that quite often, I think he said one in ten, of the cows that went through didn't die right away but nobody cared. If things misfired or whatever they just kept going through the plant.
If animals are wounded on a farm they are shipped wounded to the slaughter house sometimes left with broken legs for days without being treated because the meat needs to be fresh and they can't have painkillers... in their system
Pregnant cows often go through the slaughter house for a variety of reasons and the babies are cut out of the cows while they are still alive. Thrown into shaft, alive, to the floor below where their necks are slit and they bleed to death.
I'm only saying this because you can have the happiest cows in the pasture but the way they meat their end is not such an easy death. Often they wait outside the slaughterhouse for quite awhile. Do you not think that they can't smell/sense what's going on? How horrible. I can't imagine anything worse.
Peta, I have mixed feelings about. They are extremists but I do think they have their purpose. I've called them about things before like a tv network that had fur on their shows. I wrote the network and then emailed peta and got them on that. Fur is coming back into style for whatever reason and it really irritates me. There are such wonderful fakes. What's the point? Prestidge?
Sorry if I grossed anyone out.
I buy all my meat direct from the farmers! I support the farmers markets, and am a firm believer in giving money to the people who do all the work for it!!
I read an article in the newspaper not so long ago, about dogs that were used for fur in China, it was appaling, they were collecting up strays and leaving them outside,to get a thick coat during the winter. Then they were starving them just prior to killing them so it would be easier to get the skin off!! I cried and cried!!! I was totally distraught!
I read an article in the newspaper not so long ago, about dogs that were used for fur in China, it was appaling, they were collecting up strays and leaving them outside,to get a thick coat during the winter. Then they were starving them just prior to killing them so it would be easier to get the skin off!! I cried and cried!!! I was totally distraught!
"for instance, pigs are sometimes moved by hitting them brutally with sticks"
How else would you like them killed? You can't inject them because people need to eat them. That is why there are chemicals in so much of the dog food, because they do end up using euthenasia drugs. They put a pole gun to there head and pull it. They are dead instantly. "
Not always, occasionalyy, the bolt gun just breaks their jaw, making the pigs die slowly in excrutaiting pain
just because something is bringing in lively hood, doesnt make it right, this is wrong, treating animals that way is wtrong. debeaking chickens and crating calves is wrong,
humans are a disgusting species, if we were natural, a family would hunt their own food and wouldnt rely on others to inhumanly slaughter it just so they have a couple of bucks off their meat
humans are a disgusting species, if we were natural, a family would hunt their own food and wouldnt rely on others to inhumanly slaughter it just so they have a couple of bucks off their meat
THAts completley true,
in, i think its, jewish religion, cattle have to be conscious when they are slaughtered, so they are hung up by their ankles, usually breaking them, if they pass out they are re-awakened because they have to be awake when their throats are slit.
Not all killings are merciful, and not all are justified, not even all is necasary, but it does continue
in, i think its, jewish religion, cattle have to be conscious when they are slaughtered, so they are hung up by their ankles, usually breaking them, if they pass out they are re-awakened because they have to be awake when their throats are slit.
Not all killings are merciful, and not all are justified, not even all is necasary, but it does continue
Unfortunately, mrose, things are never as black-and-white as we'd like them to be. I will never go to a circus with animals because I refuse to support an industry based on cruelty and mistreatment. Some circuses may be all right, though I suspect that they would make a special effort to treat animals well when they knew they'd be interacting with the public. You just don't know what they're doing behind the scenes. Even if they're on the up-and-up, they are still a circus. As long as there's a market, people will do anything they can to cut costs and increase profit.
I'm glad you posted that, Saje. I know people always say that death in a slaughterhouse is quick and painless, but I suspected that probably wasn't the case. The reason I don't eat meat from slaughterhouses is because the animals die completely without dignity or respect. They're product and they're treated as such. I won't eat an animal that died without anyone caring, because I care.
I'm glad you posted that, Saje. I know people always say that death in a slaughterhouse is quick and painless, but I suspected that probably wasn't the case. The reason I don't eat meat from slaughterhouses is because the animals die completely without dignity or respect. They're product and they're treated as such. I won't eat an animal that died without anyone caring, because I care.