Do you believe in spanking kids?

Agreed 100%!

The problem with that is:
- You're degrading the corporal punishment down to a lower level, which to you it is. But to others it isn't.
- You're assuming that a dog and a child's mind work the same way, which it doesn't.

i can see where you are coming from. they make empty threats and never back anything up with a correction.

as Acooper said some children should be treated differently. Some consequenses are worse than others for different kids. If spanking a child is the way to get the child to listen and obey then that is what the child needs. Like dogs. some have different correction levels, but they have correction levels. some its a slight tweak on the collar and others its a pop , but its all a correction.

Try that for an hour with your hands against the wall supporting your body weight and feeling like your arms are about to fall off. Its not that easy. You said that you could even sleep in the corner. NO WAY. My parents would NEVER let me get away with that even if I wasn't in "army style".

My dad used to make me do push ups as punishment. That worked pretty darn good. You cant escape from that one!

glassOnion is right. IMO

they don't think the same , but i see where you are coming from about some parents not dicipling their kids at all.


Call NANNY911! Vicious children on the loose!LOL

I have found that most people assume that a kid has parents that dont believe in spanking if he/she doesnt listen to their parents and are ill behaved. They see a kid ignoring his parents so they say "well, he must not get spankings". I dont think thats true at all. I think it has to do with lack of consistency whether the correction is spanking or not.

Doing push ups is physical punishment.

Either A: it's not really punishment if you are in good shape to do them

or B: you're not in shape so it is hard and it hurts. So pain from push-ups you are still forcing your child to have pain. And I thought you weren't supposed to physically cause your child any pain?

I'm very glad I'm not the only one that caught that bit of irony.

And I doubt you will do it to your kid because you hated it so much. But you yourself said it was a very effective way of punishment.

I do not assume this I work w/ children daily and have had several dogs. I am only saying that if you spank a dog during or right after they have done something wrong they do understand and it does work. Working at a daycare I dealt w/ several different types of children of different ages and I could get anyone of them to mind w/out physical punishment and thats after some of the parents had practically "ruined" them w/ lack of discipline. I know I will have no problem w/ my own child that I raise from borth. I am honestly sorry if I sound harsh and offend anyone but I am posting my honest, unfiltered opinion and I dont often do that b/c I hate conflict and I want to get along w/ everyone but this is one area I have always felt strongly about.

For me, it depends on offense.
For example, Matthew knows that going after/getting around moving vehicles is a BIG NO NO. One day he got in behind a truck with a trailer on the back, imitating his friend and trying to touch it.

I tore his hide up for that, because he was putting himself in danger.

If he hits his little brother, he gets grounded. If he was trying to make his brother do something dangerous and life threatening, he would get his ass whooped.

Small things, they usually get a talk for. If they do it again they can have a few hours of time out. Do it again and you;ll be grounded for 3 days. Last time your getting an ass whoopin' and prolly getting grounded as well.

I do not see a need for corporal punishment of children or dogs. To me, discipline is more about expectations and consistency. I'd rather see a parent have the guts to take the screaming child out of the restaurant than to see a child get slapped and then five minutes later gets to eat dinner and get a milkshake anyway. Punishment that takes away things the child wants for misbehaving is far more effective than a swat. And, rewarding good behavior works, too!

:hail: Exactly!

I was a girl doing "man" push-ups. It was not easy and if it was, then I would be told to do more. It gets hard after awhile, trust me. When I was in weight training last year and in good shape, it still got quite difficult to do more than 40.

Pain from push-ups is way different than pain from being hit. Its like saying the pain from working out is the same as the pain you endure if someone was to smack you in the face. Plus... push-ups keep you in shape. Many kids now days are way overweight. Your body benefits from push-ups. Your body doesnt benefit at all from being hit with a hand or a paddle. Giving push-ups as a punishment gives a child a consequence for their actions without being physically hit, AND it benefits their health. Also... hitting is violence and doing push ups is clearly not.

My kids know I a m the boss without my spanking them. I have daughters 1,12,19,21, and of the eldest,. they are doing very well, great people. I never had to spank them. With that said, we also had great communication, and they knew what my expectations were. I have always spent all my energy on my children. I thilnk that is what makes the difference. I had to work, but they knew I was there for them. We had routine, and made it work. I can't stand seeing these women in the stores yelling and smacking on their children. Makes me want to give them a good one myself.

Sooo true. Good point!

If your fiance hits you kid, hit him! lol j/k. I dont think people who spank their kids are monsters. I LOVE my daddy and he always spanked me. I am pretty sure all of you guys would disagree w/ his methods but he and I differ on EVERYTHING. Raising dogs/kids, politics, religion, you name it. I understand its a matter of opinion but I know how I feel and I know how I am going to do things and if someone IS on the fence about this issue I WILL try to sway their opinion. It is important to me. My boyfriend is not very opinionated on the matter and he considers me a professional mommy, lol so he is going to let me dictate how we raise are kids mostly. I'm sure he will have his opinions but he is intimidated by my experience and he isnt totally against spanking but it would be a very rare last resort (except now it isnt an option b/c of my feelings about it.) IF we have kids together. Hopefully we do. He would be a great dad.

Here you said "physical pain." Push-ups is still physical pain which you said that you don't believe in. I just don't see why its ok to cause them pain in a different way. Would you put your dog on a treadmill and make them run til they were in physical pain? Why push your kid to their physical limits?

And I don't think that any kind of working out should be punishment, cuz you should encourage your kids to work out and be healthy and if that is their punishment, do you really think they are going to enjoy doing it on their own?

I should have been more specific. As in physical pain I meant it as in another person causing you pain by hitting and smacking your skin. I meant pain out of violence. Not the pain you experience when you work out. I dont consider it REAL pain. Some thing with supporting your body weight while in the corner, yes your arms get tired, but its not PAIN. Again, I should have been more specific.

Most kids arent going to "enjoy" working out no matter what. Are you saying that they will work out and do push-ups if its NOT used as a punishment? I dont see that happening.

The big reason why I dont believe in hitting children is because its violence, period.

No, not to their limit. Not to where their arms calapse out of exhaustion and cant even move anymore. That would be abuse in my opinion. Give them a few push-ups to where it gets a little difficult for them. I was never pushed to the limit, but I thought twice about doing something I knew I would get in trouble about, because I hated push ups no matter how many I had to do.

I am just saying it would be better to make working out fun, then making it punishment. If parents would get out and actually work out with their children and make an effort to make it fun they would be more likely to enjoy it. So I dont think that kind of stuff should be used as punishment.

OK take their TV away? I dont think kids should have that much TV to take away to begin with. I think parents need to teach their children there are much better things to do than watch TV and play video games. More active things. But then again thats taking this subject a little further than intended I'm sure.