Some Pit Education

Hehehe GHOST, when I said to get onto another topic, I didn't mean leave lol. I am sure there is much more you all can educate about pit bulls.

don't beat up on ol Tex to bad silverpawz,,, tex is a good guy and very very educated on pitbulls,,,,he not so much a smarta@@ as me,,lol,,, i can take it,,, bring it on little girl,,,hehe

well, that's good that you must have the means then to contain them otherwise. If, however you have more dogs as opposed to more rooms in your house, and imo, chaining is far less restrictive in terms of area and space to "move", then what is it that you propose people to do here? Let them all roam around together in your home anyway, because it "appears" to be more humane????? Or, should we limit our numbers, then, so they can live inside, as opposed to outside simply to make someone else happy?
Again, and I (we) can NOT stress this enough. This breed WILL fight with one another if left on their own devices. As todays' owners, we did not instill this into them. A hundred years of history has already done that. We know this. We accept this, again, as part of the "terms" of both having and raising this breed. It is FAR more irresponsible to NOT contain this breed. FAR more!!!
There really is no need nor any benefit to go around and around on this issue of containment/chaining. I thought the answers given were sufficient and well explained, but as is human nature, yes, EVERY one will have an answer, an explanatation or, what they feel is a "better reason" on why something should or shouldn't be done, yes, based on personal opinion. All's I can say is, unless or until you own, have experience with or choose to want to learn and research this breed, the information you will hear and read about will only ever be second hand, based on someone else's opinion, and most likely swayed by media hype. It goes with out saying that in todays' times, due to the fact that the "pit bull" is so popular, and SO many are owned, registered and bred, that they will "frequent" the news moreso than most breeds. You will ALWAYS hear and read about more "pit bull" attacks, than any other breed.The media thrives on this. Which is why, we, as owners have to be FAR more diligent with our responsiblilties=yes, containment, is one aspect. Think of it in terms of something else, to help put it in proper perspective: if there were suddenly lots more people buying more Fords, I imagine the stories regarding Fords would surpass the stories regarding Chevys. Simple analogy, but hopefully, you get the idea...
There is a "pit bull" problem today, because of irresponsible owners, NOT because of the dogs. Certain "owners" who also think that containing their dogs is cruel and choose to allow them to roam are the problem. EVERY single "attack", mauling, etc, has a ripple effect and EVERY irresponsible owner effects EVERY owner. There is NO exception to this. NONE! As owners of this breed, we ALL affect each other. For every action, there's a reaction... We all pay, in the long run...
I'm not sure how much I can reemphasize the importance of being responsible, especially in regards to this breed. I just know, I studied, I bought books, I went to shows and I found a "mentor" who has been a great friend and a wonderful, patient teacher to me, in regards to every aspect of this breed. I learned. I became responsible, perhaps to the dismay of other dog breed owners.
They are NOT a breed for the "couch potato", the beginner or an owner that wants a houseful of dogs to happily cohabitate together. That won't happen. It's rare when it does. If we choose to have both inside and outside dogs, it's the quality and the quanity of care that matters. Humans have domesticated the canine. They have lived happily for many, many years as "outside" animals. Suddenly we have personified, humanized and hypothesised that we ALL know best.
Walk in another mans' shoes, BEFORE you cast judgement. A man can love his dogs outside on a chain, just as much as you can love yours, sitting beside you on your couch.

Please Please use paragraphs...it make it some much easier to read and follow.

There are PLENTY of dog aggressive Am Staffs out there, trust me. They have no been successful in breeding it out.

I agree DA is not the only reason but it does have something to do with it. Yes, you're right that everything that humans have done to them, with them is why this dog is in trouble, but the fact that they are so capable a breed and easy to exploit made it that much easier to make them a target.

Yes, too many people CHOOSE this dog for all the wrong reasons and that's exactly my point. That is unfortunately a variable that no one has ever been able to control...there will always be awful humans waiting to pounce. Exactly the reason that I think it's our responsiblility, (pit lovers, breeder, and protectors) to fight FOR them and try to make them less exploitable.

As for breeding DA out, many traits can be bred out..not just DA. How many breeds are not doing what they were bred for? It takes time, but it can be done.

There were some photos posted in another thread of some Pits. Some of you were appalled at their lack of bodyfat, others of you were curious. Three people who are familiar with those dogs posted and I closed the thread before animosities broke out and invited them to educate us about their Pits and conditioning, letting them know that Chaz members are a curious bunch and mostly willing to listen and learn, and that the only things we really have no patience for are BYBS/puppymillers and dog fighting.

So, how about we listen, ask questions and learn

so is the answer that we should change what a dog IS, because SOME cannot handle it?

should we create an aussie or BC with no herding instinct because they are hard to live with and nip at children when attempting to herd them?

should we soften up the doberman because a sharp, dominant, willfull dog willing to protect is a liability in some hands, and instead make them goldens in black and tan suits?

should we make a GSD with less coat because those damned tumbleweeds are hard on people with carpets?

why should we change a breed because SOME PEOPLE misuse them? the problem isnt the DOG - its irresponsible ownership. altering the breed has proven time and time again to just make the BREED suffer - why cater to the idiots and those who do not deserve the breed to begin with?

fight for responsible ownership, fight for keeping dogs in the right hands, fight for breeds and rescues and shelters using their brains when placing an animal being honest about what they have, and using stringent standards, testing (health and temperament as well as working ability) and common sense when breeding, whelping, and placing dogs.

don't fight for changing a breed to make them all golden retrievers in different body types.

if you dont want a DA dog, dont get an APBT, plain and simple. it's not the dogs fault.

Amstaffer:

Abuse and Cruelty is not perspective.
It’s not? Then explain why there is such huge gap between what is deemed acceptable in one area and not in another if not being ones perspective?

We as a society do have standards for them.
Yes and they are ever changing to better suit our needs at the time.

Your "own" dog, you look at your dog as property not a family member and not a loved one when you speak like that!
Oh brother! Name one person that a family member has been taken to a hospital and instructed them to kill/put to sleep their family member, be it for suffering or inability to afford treatment? Yet we all are aware of numerous dogs that, that has been done to.

Contrary to the PC world we can make judgements and as a society to let you know when you are abusing an animal. If you are neglecting or cause physical/mental harm....you are abusing!

In theory that sounds oh so good. But the reality is we all know of over weight pets many of them morbidly obese, those that receive minimal exercise if any at all, live a pathetic life behind four walls in a house, feed improper and cheap food, treated like a human child instead of a dog, mentally not stimulated, etc all of which is cruel and inhumane-amazing how those same people aren’t prosecuted. That because we make allowances for them, the majority of pet owners could be deemed cruel and abusive (physically and/or mentally) to their loving pets and have charges brought against them if there wasn’t allowances! .

so is the answer that we should change what a dog IS, because SOME cannot handle it?

should we create an aussie or BC with no herding instinct because they are hard to live with and nip at children when attempting to herd them?

should we soften up the doberman because a sharp, dominant, willfull dog willing to protect is a liability in some hands, and instead make them goldens in black and tan suits?

should we make a GSD with less coat because those damned tumbleweeds are hard on people with carpets?

why should we change a breed because SOME PEOPLE misuse them? the problem isnt the DOG - its irresponsible ownership. altering the breed has proven time and time again to just make the BREED suffer - why cater to the idiots and those who do not deserve the breed to begin with?

fight for responsible ownership, fight for keeping dogs in the right hands, fight for breeds and rescues and shelters using their brains when placing an animal being honest about what they have, and using stringent standards, testing (health and temperament as well as working ability) and common sense when breeding, whelping, and placing dogs.

don't fight for changing a breed to make them all golden retrievers in different body types.

if you dont want a DA dog, dont get an APBT, plain and simple. it's not the dogs fault.

That **** right there is what gets sometimes good threads LOCKED...

Come on people get over it, your never gonna agree with each other...

I for one was enjoying this thread most of what most people had to say....and I dont want to see it locked

Wow Doberkim, did you ever go off in the wrong direction. At what point did I ever suggest making Pits into Goldens.

You should know better than just about anyone on here that things such a DA can be bred down without totally changing a dog. Are responsible breeders of your breed not breeding for temperment in both directions?

Please, don't put words in my mouth and certainly do not suggest that I don't have genuine affection and the best intentions where pits are concerned.

One important question to ask yourself. Are all pits DA?

Wow Doberkim, did you ever go off in the wrong direction. At what point did I ever suggest making Pits into Goldens.

You should know better than just about anyone on here that things such a DA can be bred down without totally changing a dog. Are responsible breeders of your breed not breeding for temperment in both directions?

One important question to ask yourself. Are all pits DA?