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Fran27 · Jan 17, 2010

Read that before... It's just silly to say that organic isn't worth it just because it doesn't have more minerals and vitamins (really, did people expect that?) and it can still have junk. Yeah, it can. But compare the labels of most organic food and the same non-organic stuff, you'll find much less chemicals and artificial stuff, and I think it's a bit hypocritical to deny that there is a difference... you just have to read the labels to see it. Of course though, until more research is done about how that stuff affects us, it's still hard to know if organic is worth it... right now all we can know is that it will decrease the amount of crap we assimilate.

So yeah, I think reading labels is more important than whether something is organic or not. For my kids I try to stick with natural-no preservatives stuff, but there's no way we could afford it for the whole family. We had hormone-free chicken a month ago and the difference between that and regular grocery-store chicken was noticeable - it was on sale though and there's no way we'd pay 3 times the price for it... which is pretty much the price of all the healthier meat around here.

Fran27 · Jan 17, 2010

Juicy said:

Nuggets are often full of chemicals though... I'd take the gunk LOL.

sillysally · Jan 17, 2010

Fran27 said:

I thought that in the US all chicken was hormone free by law....

Fran27 · Jan 17, 2010

I have no idea LOL. It was from whole foods...

sillysally · Jan 17, 2010

I found this:
Q. Should I be concerned about hormones in chicken?

A. The use of hormones has been illegal in U.S. poultry production since 1952, according to USDA regulations. If you're eating American-grown chicken from a reputable source, there's no need to be concerned about added hormones or other growth-enhancing agents.

I've noticed that many chicken sellers try to make it seem from the packaging that their chicken is special because it's hormone-free, but usually there is some disclaimer on the package somewhere stating that all chicken must be hormone free, so just make sure you're not paying more just for that!

TheGoldenRetriever · Jan 17, 2010

Juicy said:

You only have to take "gunk" out of a whole chicken though. If you're referring to the pre-packaged frozen "nuggets" then Fran27 is absolutely correct. Those things are so full of junk that there's hardly any meat in them ... and what meat is there is like a special from "pre-Chewed Charlie's". (Sorry to anyone who doesn't get the reference from SNL ... but it was a funny if disgusting skit.

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If instead you buy boneless-skinless chicken breasts you can cut them into pieces, bread them, and then fry or bake them to make your own "nuggets". (You can even make your own bread crumbs from stale bread ... just toast it first then toss it in a food chopper.) These kind of chicken nuggets taste MUCH better, are MUCH less expensive per pound, much healthier, and there's no gunk to remove.

You can even make ahead in large batches and freeze small portions in Ziploc bags. These can be defrosted later, removed from the Ziploc and nuked. (Stepson and his Dad love these for quick snacks.) Also, when you cut the skinless boneless breasts in pieces use kitchen shears .... MUCH easier than cutting with a knife. (I have one pair of kitchen shears that's exclusively for use with food ... and it goes straight into the dishwasher after each use.)

FoxyWench · Jan 17, 2010

i aboslutly agree, its more important to read the lables than to see a sticker that says "organic" and go for it.
and "organic" plays NO part what so ever on HOW their raised aside from feed and processing...

a battery hen CAN be organic as long as its kept on an organic diet...

tessa_s212 · Jan 17, 2010

There is no doubt in my mind that meat that comes from animals raised in healthy environment/conditions (out on pasture grazing, no hormones, etc etc etc) is healthier meat than meat from animals in factory farms. For anyone to suggest that factory farm meat is equally as safe and healthy is nothing more than dirty, corrupt lies. And then of course,.. deep down I've always known I'm an awful hypocrite to ever dare call myself an animal lover but continue to support the abuse and mistreatment of factory farmed animals. I'm not rich, but I used that as an excuse to not even try. I may not be able to buy ALL local, but I think every little bit would help.

I have no faith at all in any government agency to actually promote healthy things or to release accurate, truthful statements regarding what could effect our health. They've proven time and time again that they do not have the people's best interest in mind - what they are concerned with is keeping money in their pockets.

sparks19 · Jan 17, 2010

lol ok... well at this point I best be quiet about hating government to regulate things but be taking the money from them....

however... it may be healthier... but it's not NESSECARY and not something that should just be given to people on WIC when they can get meat that is good enough to keep them healthy and functioning. when you can afford "organic" meat you can buy it but I don't think it's something that should be handed out to anyone with WIC or food stamps that thinks they deserve what many working people cannot afford.

Dekka · Jan 17, 2010

I would like to point out that organic is not always better.

You can put far more toxic and carcinogentic chemicals on 'organic' crops than you can on regular crops. Just so happens that those chemicals come from 'natural' sources. Natural does not mean safer. Arsenic is natural as are many potent neurotoxins for example.

I am all for less hormones, grass fed, naturally reared meat. But organic is a term that is thrown about a lot and doens't mean what many people think it does. (or may not mean what people think it does)

ACooper · Jan 17, 2010

Dekka said:

Agreed.

Remember to educate yourselves and be AWARE. That is always the key to ANYTHING

I remember when 'low fat' was the biggest rage of the time (and it's still important, but we KNOW a little more now). Most people I know didn't care what kind of 'fat' as long as it was LOW. NOW research has shown what KIND matters just as much or MORE than how low the content. Turns out REAL butter is a healthier choice than nasty margarines with less calories, LOL (all in moderation of course) So if eating HEALTHY is your goal instead of following the latest fad, EDUCATE yourselves as much as you can!

tessa_s212 · Jan 17, 2010

Wow... I guess I honestly never expected you to stoop that low, to be so inconsiderate and rude. Not sure I ever saw that side of you, sparks.. Just wow. Did you truly intend to be that hurtful? Are you happy to have hurt another person's feelings so deeply? Do you even realize how badly YOU misinterpreted what I said, and then had a go at me?

I made the comment that it'd be nice if I could get organic milk. Never, NEVER once did I say they HAD to give it to people, or that we should be provided with organic meat. I have a lot of things that I would consider "Oh, it'd be nice if this and this could happen." Doesn't mean I expect or demand that it will. Heck, if that was the case, we'd have figured out how to make money grow on trees already, I'd have a large house, and Cocoa would be with me.

That would be like if I said "it'd be nice if *everyone* donated to help haiti earthquake victims", and you interpreted it as if I said the government should implement a mandatory volunteer/donate program, or you get thrown in jail. Quite the stretch, right? Well, that is you did with my words of simply saying "it'd be nice....."

There was just a thread not too long ago about you people thinking people on food stamps should not be allowed to buy any junk food at all... NOW you say us buying organic food with the food stamps is wrong? WHAT will please you people? Nothing.. nothing will apparently. We can't eat healthy.. noooo, that'd be just wrong. And we certainly can't buy a bag of chips with food stamp money, because that is just wrong too.

Everyone is given a certain amount of assistance based on their level of need. I could choose to go to walmart and get everything really cheap. Or, if my family so chooses to, I can go to a more expensive market and buy local. We'd get less, but we'd get high quality. IF we wanted to buy healthier things - to sacrifice quantity of food for quality, I think we should be able to do so without scrutiny and bullying.

IMO, it is far better to buy local, than to just go buy "organic" at just any supermarket. To buy local you are supporting small business and farms, you are supporting farms that hopefully treat their animals a lot better with more land and a better life, and you'd be getting safer, higher quality meat with less risks and dangers.

I'm done. This is why I hate "debates". They aren't debates, they just turn into hurtful bullying and attacking. I hope you know that even though you might have a different opinion than me, I'd never treat you like this. That was very hurtful, and it was INTENDED to be hurtful. That is the worst part..

lizzybeth727 · Jan 17, 2010

tessa_s212 said:

Wow... I guess I honestly never expected you to stoop that low, to be so inconsiderate and rude. Not sure I ever saw that side of you, sparks.. Just wow. Did you truly intend to be that hurtful? Are you happy to have hurt another person's feelings so deeply? Do you even realize how badly YOU misinterpreted what I said, and then had a go at me?

What are you talking about???

MyHorseMyRules · Jan 17, 2010

Really, Tessa? I mean, come on. The post got deleted, and no one even commented on it. Everyone was doing a nice job of just continuing with a pleasant debate. And yet you feel the need to comment on it, pages after it happened, and keep the drama going.

sparks19 · Jan 17, 2010

well I had a bunch of stuff typed out and hit the wrong button and lost it all but... personally... I am SICK of it tessa.

you sit here and complain day in and day out about how horrible everything in your life is. no mention of how BLESSED you are to be healthy, have a beautiful healthy child and a wonderful marriage and not to mention the people who were wonderful enough to take you in and help you out.

You think the world OWES you something. You could work but you choose not to because you think it is your right to be a stay at home mom and collect tax payer money and then COMPLAIN that it's not ENOUGH for you. being a stay at home mom is a privilege

Then you go on and talk about how daycare is a horrible thing and how they don't care for childrens needs and are totally unsanitary, how c sections are horrible and mean you shouldn't have more children, how feeding formula means a certain doom for children and basically any mom who does any of these things is a selfish person and YES you did say these things and everyone has seen it and MANY have had the same reaction I am having. So the whole "I would never be hurtful" is BS tessa. you have been INSANELY hurtful to anyone who doesn't feel the way you do but you disguise it as "my opinion". you are judgemental and more judgemental than anyone I know.

You need to stop thinking about your WANTS and starting realizing your NEEDS. but you won't even try. it's all about how you CAN'T do this or that when you really CAN you just choose not to. like you CAN work but you won't because you think you MUST stay home with mason and while being home with your child is admirable... it's NOT when you are sacrificing any kind of financial security to do it.

if I'm being hurtful well.. perhaps it's tough love time Tessa. you need to wake up and realize that the world doesn't owe you anything and YOU are the master of your own destiny but when you keep saying "I can't I can't I can't because so and so" it's no wonder. but you chalk it all up to "attacks" and "people being mean" it's the truth tessa. and I am so done with the victim act and so are so many others. Being NICE isn't getting YOU any closer to getting out of the hole you are in.

sometimes you need to make sacrifices in order to PROVIDE for your family. I know you WANT to stay home but at this point it's not exactly the responsible choice and others are paying for your choice. staying home is NOT nessecary especially if dustin is home most of the time and you CAN pump at work. but you just keep saying can't can't can't. you CAN you just don't WANT to. you even quit school

and you did say it would be nice if WIC would let you get organic milk... not it would be nice to be able to afford it. you want WIC to approve it so you can get what many working people can't afford on their dime.

I'm sorry tessa but I'm done coddling you. you need to face the harsh realities of life. you have another life depending on you. so you need to put your NEEDS ahead of your wants. and if you don't like debates then stop being so **** confrontational about everything you post. posting like you are on some pedestal and everyone who does what you don't agree with is a monster and that IS how you come across. you think it's just all of us that are horrible? maybe it's the way you talk to people that puts them on the defensive. When the majority reacts to you in a certain way... perhaps you need to stop placing blame on the majority and look at yourself and the way you TALK to people

sparks19 · Jan 17, 2010

MyHorseMyRules said:

she was referring to me posting about how I wouldn't go into detail about complaining about the government when you are receiving their assistance

but I did respond and not in a PC way. but I think it's tough love time and no longer time to coddle and tell her it's all going to be ok. Life is a bitch and we need to make sacrifices in order to provide for our family.

we aren't owed ANYTHING in this life. if you CAN be a stay at home mom then you are blessed but if you are a stay at home mom on everyone elses dime... well.... you can see how I feel about that

jess2416 · Jan 17, 2010

sparks19 said:

well I had a bunch of stuff typed out and hit the wrong button and lost it all but... personally... I am SICK of it tessa.

you sit here and complain day in and day out about how horrible everything in your life is. no mention of how BLESSED you are to be healthy, have a beautiful healthy child and a wonderful marriage and not to mention the people who were wonderful enough to take you in and help you out.

You think the world OWES you something. You could work but you choose not to because you think it is your right to be a stay at home mom and collect tax payer money and then COMPLAIN that it's not ENOUGH for you. being a stay at home mom is a privilege

Then you go on and talk about how daycare is a horrible thing and how they don't care for childrens needs and are totally unsanitary, how c sections are horrible and mean you shouldn't have more children, how feeding formula means a certain doom for children and basically any mom who does any of these things is a selfish person and YES you did say these things and everyone has seen it and MANY have had the same reaction I am having. So the whole "I would never be hurtful" is BS tessa. you have been INSANELY hurtful to anyone who doesn't feel the way you do but you disguise it as "my opinion". you are judgemental and more judgemental than anyone I know.

You need to stop thinking about your WANTS and starting realizing your NEEDS. but you won't even try. it's all about how you CAN'T do this or that when you really CAN you just choose not to. like you CAN work but you won't because you think you MUST stay home with mason and while being home with your child is admirable... it's NOT when you are sacrificing any kind of financial security to do it.

if I'm being hurtful well.. perhaps it's tough love time Tessa. you need to wake up and realize that the world doesn't owe you anything and YOU are the master of your own destiny but when you keep saying "I can't I can't I can't because so and so" it's no wonder. but you chalk it all up to "attacks" and "people being mean" it's the truth tessa. and I am so done with the victim act and so are so many others. Being NICE isn't getting YOU any closer to getting out of the hole you are in.

sometimes you need to make sacrifices in order to PROVIDE for your family. I know you WANT to stay home but at this point it's not exactly the responsible choice and others are paying for your choice. staying home is NOT nessecary especially if dustin is home most of the time and you CAN pump at work. but you just keep saying can't can't can't. you CAN you just don't WANT to. you even quit school

and you did say it would be nice if WIC would let you get organic milk... not it would be nice to be able to afford it. you want WIC to approve it so you can get what many working people can't afford on their dime.

I'm sorry tessa but I'm done coddling you. you need to face the harsh realities of life. you have another life depending on you. so you need to put your NEEDS ahead of your wants. and if you don't like debates then stop being so **** confrontational about everything you post. posting like you are on some pedestal and everyone who does what you don't agree with is a monster and that IS how you come across. you think it's just all of us that are horrible? maybe it's the way you talk to people that puts them on the defensive. When the majority reacts to you in a certain way... perhaps you need to stop placing blame on the majority and look at yourself and the way you TALK to people

:hail::hail:

Oh and just so I will have someone relevant to add to the thread I like meat, doesn't really matter where it comes from!!!

Dekka · Jan 17, 2010

You know..

I am NOT a 'you must look after yourself and not expect any help' sort. Hey I am a Canadian and love our social consciousness, that everyone is worthy of a social saftey net. BUT Tessa I don't think anyone should expect others to look after someone more than the basics, anything more and it looks less like a safety net and more like a permanent place to stand. People on welfare should not expect more from others than they can do for them themselves.

~Jessie~ · Jan 17, 2010

Sparks, will you marry me???

Awesome reply

Puckstop31 · Jan 17, 2010

~Jessie~ said:

Jessie.... Get in line....

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Tessa... All I am going to say is you are a flaming example of what is wrong with this country. You are setting a shameful example for your child. He will never be more than a welfare recipient unless you choose to set a better example. What a shame that you choose to enslave not only yourself, but your son to "THEY" to take care of you.

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