Dog Breeds That Shouldn't Be Bred?

Hey, here you go hon...

Every single sheltie in the world is just SO SO SO BARKY it's so ridiculous. It's just part of the breed, the dog is going to BARK IT'S HEAD OFF. Why would anybody breed a breed that barks so much? God, they're just annoying. They're pests. They shouldn't be in the city, they just turn into a nuisance.
And they're so neurotic. They chase anything and everything. It's that stupid herding instinct. They should only be on a farm where they can actually herd things.
And all that fur... I mean, come on. They mat and tangle behind the ears and in the elbows and everywhere. And their pants - such long hair around the butt, it's like asking for poop to get stuck in there. It's just filthy and disgusting. And their long belly fur totally gets peed on everywhere. They should be trimmed and cut everywhere because otherwise it's like they might as well be rolling in their toilet.

WOW so all the breeds we have are all the breeds we should ever have? Pretty much all the breeds we owners have on chaz came from crossing existing breeds.

I really don't get the issue with there are enough breeds already. I guess I am glad that the Rev John Russell didn't think that way not too long ago.

I will never own a Cocker..but Smudge and Cider are wonderful dogs. They don't pee when they are over (well they do, but its outside) Smudge has one of the happiest out going natures you would ever hope to meet in a young dog.

I am *not* against creating new breeds - but I AM against dogs that don't really fit into "niche" (for lack of a better word) besides being someones pet because they wanted "cute." I don't consider them to be designer (neither do those that breed them, in fact I'm sure they wouldn't put their puppies next to flowers and dress them up to sell them...)

btw, MafiaPrincess, when I use to work for a handler (who handlers primarily WHWTs) she told me all the time she would never own them because she doesn't like their personalities (and here I am with my own in an x-pen). Even to her clients. Who really cares? It's human nature, I'm sure you don't need to here heart warming stories about Cockers to love your dogs any more.

and....

Yes, I've seen well bred Cockers loose their cool. But I've seen a many of breeds do it too.

ok, so didnt read all of it, but most. My question to those who put labradoodles int heir "never breed" list, what about the Australian labradoodles that are trying to go up for recognition in the ANKC? Where they have 6 plus generations?

I am in no way talking about the labradoodles you get here in America, totally different IMO.

I was pretty sure they'd give up on the au labradoodle project some time ago. They weren't getting the results they wanted and therefore weren't using them for SDs which was the intent.

TY to anyone with nice things to say. I don't need heartwarming cocker stories. I'm just tired of the endless cocker hate fest.

I know some labradoodles bred here, lines imported from Australia, that do a ton of guide dog work.

I would be very hesitant to say they shouldn't be bred. Especially because I know they're helping people.

As for dachshunds... I have never met a dachshund that didn't live to be insanely old. My family has had them for years and even with some of their lousy care these dogs always live to be 16, 18, etc years old.

I think no dog breed shouldn't be bred. I agree with Gina, it's a stepping stone for things like BSL. I may not like a way a breed has gone, but am I actively trying to fix these problems? No. So I feel it's best to leave the breed in the hands of those who are actively involved in the breed.

First of all, I love Cockers. They tend to be happy enthusiastic companions from what I have seen. If well cared for and not overfed, also really cute. I wnated one in the worst way when i was a kid.

Secondly, I don't get why a dog should be jusged by how it boards. Uncle Fred has a great disposition but he really can't even be crated, let alone boarded. He thinks that if he is left alone away from home the world has come to an end. My vet thinks he has PTSD and it gives him flashbacks. I don't know, but that is how he acts.

So if i tried to kennel him he would personally give coonhounds a horrible reputation forever?

I have a friend with a B&T Cocker called Harley... He is VERY sweet and one of the cleanest dogs I have ever had for a "stay" (Cared for him and their Umbrella Cockatoo while they went to Banf) He never lifted in my house once despite all the "smells" here....

I'll admit - I didn't like cockers until I met a bunch of well-bred ones, and worked for a cocker handler. They opened my eyes - what jolly, funloving, comical little dogs they are!!!

I still will not own one because they don't fit my lifestyle, but honestly they're one of my favorite breeds now.

Besides... one of my doggie nieces is a cocker... gotta love these dogs!





Cardis have the easty-westiness in their standard. Lots - LOTS - of corgis are really easty-westy, and it's one thing that bugs me about the breed. Which is why I'm happy that Ada isn't too bad - she's a solid little dog, very functional.

Sizzle is that the cutie your friend rehomed from another family that you posted about not that long ago? Pretty baby. *steals*

a Well bred cocker is possibly THE best family pet.

My little sister learnt to walk by hauling herself up on our past cockers ears and tail nub theres not a mean bone in a well bred cockers boday, and a WELL BRED and properly raised cocker is unlikley to sub pee...
ALL dogs roll in stuff but a well bred home well reaised cockers no more likley to roll in poop than nay other breed...
i love our charlie boy, not the breed for me on my own but as a family dog...never met any better

i have noticed here in the usa a terribly large number of "cockers are mean" and have come to the conclusion that there are sooo many badly bred mill and byb cockers out there...


im used to comments about the breeds i own...
"cockers are mean and snappy and dirty and pee everywhere" *rolls eyes*
"chihuahuas are MEAN! snappy, ankle biters, rat dogs, prissy, useless, *insert other derogetory comment here!* (i think chihuhuas have it realy bad too!)"
and aparently cresties are "ugly" "dumb" and "dont like people" by the VERY few people that know what she is when they see her...the ugly ill chock up to the worlds ugliest dog contest...

none of it is based in fact...just people assuming what they think they KNOW must be right!

Yep! Her name is Hannah, and she's a cutie patootie! A little shy, but I think she'll get over it.

I dig cockers were and are overbred. They aren't that popular in Canada. There are seemingly 5 one of which is mine playing AAC agility in Ontario, while there are a dozen or so english cockers.. There are very few ever on petfinder up here..

That said, there's about 7 in my neighbourhood other than mine. They all have issues.. All the owners fawn over Smudge. They are overly timid, unfriendly, snappy, conformationally challenged in varying ways.. If I hadn't met well bred cockers, and own one of my own, maybe I'd fall prey to the stereotypes, as for being not popular everyone seems to have an abnormal one..

It's upsetting to see people that you'd assume are overly informed due to the time they spend on pet forums going off the stereotypes though. I'm sure I could rail on other people's chosen breeds, I chose mine you chose yours... but I'm not bashing.

So cockers aren't for everyone. Neither is any other breed, hence having many to choose from.. So don't own one, but don't tell me how disgusting my dogs are or about the personality quirks they must have due to being cockers. Mine often change many people's minds about the breed, even Cider who does have some quirks, but it's rude to rail about them as a breed you don't like in a thread on dogs who shouldn't be bred.

ETA: Hannah is very cute. My Mommy told me three is a no go and I better move out before a third happens Apparently if I move out I can finally get my bigger doggie.. or maybe another cocker.

That isn't what I mean, at all! Typcal cockers in our salon do pee more than any other breed. That is a fact. I think every single one that comes in does that, if not, at least 90% of them. NONE of those Cockers are show bred, work bred, or bred for any other purpose other than BYB or Pet Shop sales.

Obviously, not all cockers do that, and that certainly isn't a reason for them not to be bred! Perhaps it is considered a stereotype, or maybe it is a trait of these 'poorly bred' cockers, but it's no different than other breed's grooming traits:

Pugs are bad for nails.
Labs can't sit still.
Goldens always sit.
Airedales have funny tail wags while you're grooming them.

Obviously not all dogs of each breed do that, but it's something they're known for when we groom them.

To answer the OP question... I think breeding should be left to people who are trying to a) better the breed or b) bring back the original function of the dog (herding, working, etc.)

I also didnt see where it say to list what breed you didnt like, and to put down those that own them. Sounding like a BSL for cockers. Shouldnt you focus on the individual dog or are yall just lumping them all in together? Niiiicce

And I own Miniature Schnauzers.... just in case anyone wants to put them down too.

No, but when you see it repeatedly in a breed time and time again, regardless of how crappy or fantastically bred, I think you can come up with an obvious conclusion (and I've had no experiences with coonhounds except for one - and I liked him).

Here I'll bash my own breed because I could care less: When your at ringside and the dog is on the table and the owner/handler is off showing another dog or talking and the thing just keeps yapping and yapping, despite the person who's standing next to it's best efforts, that annoying pitching squeal... it's not even a real bark. Makes you cringe at how needy some of them are, which is funny because most of the breeders claim their terriers are so independent and could survive without them and they are just there to serve.... uhh yea It's like were murdering dogs over in that ring, because you know you can't just have one that does it.

I tend to think that any dog that has deviated from their standard to the point where they cant do the work originally expected of them I am against...I am also against doodledogs.

I am another one of those that cringes about English Bulls though I dont think they should not be bred...but I think the majority of them shouldnt be.

And this just may be me (I was a horse person (warmbloods specifically) before a dog person) but I think that there are cases of breeds where they are in such dire straights that it would not be a problem to add a small number of a healthy related breed to help in recovery. (German Warmbloods studs can be approved by other registries if approved - it's one of the reasons they are doing so well in the sport world...the other reason is stud exams and tests).

I also think it would be very interesting if someone were to take samplings from each breeds and determine the structure that was most healthy and functional.

~Cate

The first BD pictured on pg1 looks like a Rott/BD mix. Great jumper/climber though. The whole "Alapaha" thing I'm still leary of. May be just me though *shrugs*. I'll stick with a good old fashioned Bull Dog (not to wrinkly, not overweight, health tested, good lines). That is, if I ever get one, lol.

I think the only dogs that shouldn't be bred are mixes. I don't care if it's 2 purebreds or 2 mutts. Either way they don't create a breed!!! I also think those that are breeding substandard or off color purebreds should be stopped. They may be OFA'd, have champions behind them and can hunt (using Labs as an ex) BUT they should NOT...I repeat NOT, have those stinkin diluted/genetic throwback colors of "silver" or "charcoal". It's stupid and not up to breed standards and is, imho, the equivalent of a byb.

Other breeds with more known problems should just be improved upon. If we stop breeding to better a breed we won't have any purebreds.

I know three people who have had a total of 6 Boxers, all supposedly "quality" dogs, die before the age of eight of cancer, or heart disease. Only two of these dogs were closely related as far as I'm aware. All but one of them had to be put down to end their misery.
I think Boxer breeders need to take a step back and think about how many of these dogs have early deaths and rethink their breeding programs.

I laugh and will continue to laugh at anyone who says that a certain breed is horrible because of the way it acts at a boarding kennel.

Every cocker spaniel we've boarded (since I started, perhaps 4 or 5, from seperate families) have been nothing short of ideal. Not saying that some cockers DO pee when nervous/whatever.

We have a dachshund that hides under a blanket and naps whenever he's at our kennel. Naps. All day. Even at playtime. I know his owner, and have been to a BBQ at her house - he's completely reversed, active, playful and friendly!

On that note, I've had a few friends board their dogs where I work, when they've gone away, and the personality/behavioural differences are -astounding- sometimes. Some dogs don't act differently at all, but some are a complete 180.

I would never assume a breed's behaviour by how it acts when in our care. It can be a frightening situation for a dog, and fear makes dogs react in different ways. And the fear doesn't always show on the outside, through shaking or whatnot.