worming a puppy?

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at what age can you worm a puppy? my friend has a 7 wk old puppy and he said that a couple days ago it threw up some worms and that he's been pooping them out as well. is he old enough to use the wormer on?
 

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Yes, the puppy is old enough to be wormed.
Those are probably round worms.
The puppy should really be seen by a vet for an examination. But, until they get him an appointment, I would use a dose of "pyrantel pamoate" it kills round worms and hookworms. It is also the same thing alot of vets use to deworm puppies. It can be bought over the counter too.
There are different name brands but the active ingredient is "pyrantel pamoate". Directions according to weight are on the bottle.

The puppy should also be wormed two weeks after the first worming and again two weeks after the second worming since the infestation is severe.

And please tell your friend to take the pup to the vet, as routine shots should be started soon too. And a fecal should be done to check for other types of worms.
 

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I hate to hear that pups have worms !! Obviously the Mom wasn't checked before breeding, nor the pups at about 4 weeks. I can truthfully say that none of my pups needed worming , except from tapeworms as adults from fleas,,,, before the flea control of today came out.
 
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Yes, by all means deworm the puppy. The puppy is old enough to start all of his puppy regimen. Time for a vet check. Remember you will have to worm the puppy at least twice, done two weeks apart. Always go with what the vet recommends for a wormer. There are a lot of toxic things out there that are sold as pet products.
 

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Yes, by all means deworm the puppy. The puppy is old enough to start all of his puppy regimen. Time for a vet check. Remember you will have to worm the puppy at least twice, done two weeks apart. Always go with what the vet recommends for a wormer. There are a lot of toxic things out there that are sold as pet products.
That is why I mentioned the specific active ingredient. Pyrantel pamoate is one of the safer of the dewormers, but effective. But really all dewormers are of a toxic nature, it is just what is safest for the puppy. And I think most vets will agree with that dewormer.
 

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i told him the puppy should probably be going into a vet soon for the shots. but turns out a few days ago his dad got busted with a trailor full of drugs and everything his family has was bought with drug money and his brother was just in the hospital and found out he is diabetic and his bills just got sent to them and it's over 10,000 dollars so they're low on cash. looks like i might be taking the dog, i know i'm suppose to puppy sit it in about a week for a week so i am going to get it wormed and first shots for them.
 

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i told him the puppy should probably be going into a vet soon for the shots. but turns out a few days ago his dad got busted with a trailor full of drugs and everything his family has was bought with drug money and his brother was just in the hospital and found out he is diabetic and his bills just got sent to them and it's over 10,000 dollars so they're low on cash. looks like i might be taking the dog, i know i'm suppose to puppy sit it in about a week for a week so i am going to get it wormed and first shots for them.
I am speechless....................
No wait........I have some advice. To help this puppy, go get some "pyrantel pamoate" at any dept store with a pet section. Don't wait anylonger. And give the puppy a measured dose, the poor puppy should not be dealing with a severe infection of these worms. The puppy will be much healthier to get rid of them. They can cause lots of problems in young pups.
Then if you do get to puppy sit, take him to the vet for the other necessary puppy health check and vaccinations.
But it really is important to rid the pup of these parasites. I would not wait a week!!!
 

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ok i'll go find some tomorrow i have until saturday off work. btw i do have yoshi and i want to help them out but since the puppy hasn't started the shots *and even if i get the first rounds for them* would it be safe to let her be around him or should i keep them seperate? yoshi's had all her shots but would it be unsafe for the puppy to be around yoshi?
 

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At this point I don't think that would not be a major concern.
If your dog has all of his shots, then I don't see the harm.
Just keep the puppy away from areas frequented by other dogs.

It sounds as though this puppy needs your help....
and I hope it all turns out, and the pup gets to stay with you.
Cause (no offense) if the owner had any intentions of caring for this pup she/he would be worm free, and on the way for a vaccination schedule.

I wish you the best of luck, and thanks for helping the less fortunate puppy.
If you have any more questions....please just ask, there are lots of people here willing to help.
 

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well they got it from some guy in a parking lot who was going to go out and shoot the puppies if he didn't get rid on them. and when my friend got him he planned to take care of it, even had a vet appointment for later this week. but when his dad got busted and found out that everything that his family owned was bought with his dad's drug money and the cops took everything that was kind of thrown out the window since now they're just trying to pay the bills and buy food for themselves and so he had to cancel the appointment since he couldn't afford it now.
 
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Just a quick note, Pyrantel is a very good idea. Dose it at 1cc per 10 pounds of body weight, id probably go about 1/2 a cc once now and then again in two weeks. Helps get rid of stragglers. If you go to a Petsmart with an Equine section, ask them for "liquicareP" it is pyrantel pamoate at 50mg/mL. it is a red box and it is about 6.99. Then get a syringe. Pyrantel is extremely safe. A little extra will not hurt the pups. They may have a bit of runny stool for a few days after. The thing is, I would definitely get a fecal done on them, as pyrantel only gets a select amount of worms. I am pretty sure if I remember correctly that Pyrantel does not take care of coccidia, and I dont think is gets rid of Giardia either. I think pyrantel does hooks and rounds. For tapes, have the vet give Droncit injectable. makes life easier without pills. pills+puppy=pain in the butt. :)

I would get the dog in to get a fecal asap and of course all of its routine pup care like everyone is saying. The last thing you want to deal with is Parvo, and your pup can pick that up anywhere a parvo infected dog has been. parvo lives for a long long time in soil..best defense? a. dont take it anywhere really until it is through all of its DHLPP boosters, and 2. Get the boosters.

Good luck with your new puppy!
 

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I really wouldn't think of treating pups for anything over the counter ... e'g' pet store. I trust my vets and am willing to pay more good treatment and prevention. NewPup , I'm sure you know what you're talking about... but I'd never tell anyone to give anything equine to a pup. Yes, I did have an equine vet and my dog vet and some meds. were similar. But please don't have Petsmart suggest anything equine for dogs.
 

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Just a quick note, Pyrantel is a very good idea. Dose it at 1cc per 10 pounds of body weight, id probably go about 1/2 a cc once now and then again in two weeks. Helps get rid of stragglers. If you go to a Petsmart with an Equine section, ask them for "liquicareP" it is pyrantel pamoate at 50mg/mL. it is a red box and it is about 6.99. Then get a syringe. Pyrantel is extremely safe. A little extra will not hurt the pups. They may have a bit of runny stool for a few days after. The thing is, I would definitely get a fecal done on them, as pyrantel only gets a select amount of worms. I am pretty sure if I remember correctly that Pyrantel does not take care of coccidia, and I dont think is gets rid of Giardia either. I think pyrantel does hooks and rounds. For tapes, have the vet give Droncit injectable. makes life easier without pills. pills+puppy=pain in the butt. :)

I would get the dog in to get a fecal asap and of course all of its routine pup care like everyone is saying. The last thing you want to deal with is Parvo, and your pup can pick that up anywhere a parvo infected dog has been. parvo lives for a long long time in soil..best defense? a. dont take it anywhere really until it is through all of its DHLPP boosters, and 2. Get the boosters.

Good luck with your new puppy!
1 cc per 10 lbs of body weight is a dog dose of horse wormer. I use that on my dogs too, but I didn't suggest that because alot of people asking questions here do not understand and the dosing gets confusing. It is better for them to stick to dog meds and measurements. I have seen at least 3 different percentages of active ingredients for pyrantel pamoate. So for beginners it is just easier to follow the directions on a bottle made for dogs. Even if it is somewhat more expensive in the long run. It is the same medicine most vets use for pups for hooks, and rounds.:D
My goodness, it still only costs about 8 or 9 dollars for a bottle of it, and it will treat the single dog for a long time.
 

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Thanks Julie... that's what I wanted to get across ... it's really too confusing to take chances.
 

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Whoah, what a horrible situation your friend is in. Very unfortunate.

I am glad you are taking the puppy in and he is not going to end up at a shelter.
 
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I really wouldn't think of treating pups for anything over the counter ... e'g' pet store. I trust my vets and am willing to pay more good treatment and prevention. NewPup , I'm sure you know what you're talking about... but I'd never tell anyone to give anything equine to a pup. Yes, I did have an equine vet and my dog vet and some meds. were similar. But please don't have Petsmart suggest anything equine for dogs.
First of all, Bubba, I love your banner!! The pic of the dog with the sunglasses on. Adorable. I have a flash banner of my cats, I will have to add Sara to it now!Ill post the kitties for now!

Back to topic :) I stray sometimes lol...

Pyrantel Pamoate isnt made for horses specifically, the amount in the bottle is the amount a horse needs.This is why I buy it because you get alot more for the money. It is the same exact Pyrantel Pamoate we used at the vet. Petsmart didnt recommend it to me, I had worked at Petsmart as the equine manager. I checked with my vet before even giving it and he said that 50mg/mL is proper concentration, which is exactly what Liquicare is. I am just giving a suggestion as to a way to get the same exact thing at higher quantity and lower price. they raise the price up just because it is labeled for a dog, when it is the same exact drug. Ask your vet, Im sure they will say the same thing. Both my horse vets and small animal vet are fantastic people and will give me any kind of advice I need at any time and not think about their pockets. (That is how I feel about the Vets that ran out of Petsmart, yuck-in it for $$-that was one thing that was quite unsettling about being there sometimes, sad that i got a discount there and only took my animal there if it was something extrememly routine like a rabies shot, nothing that required any treatment ever because I didnt trust them.) Luckily my vets are just a phone call away!

Pyrantel will not take care of whipworms or tapeworms, so really a fecal is the best way to go if it is not a routine deworming, as there may be more than just plain old hooks or rounds in there. You should really find out what is going on in that puppys belly.

I am just trying to offer a suggestion, the only reason I said Petsmart is because they carry it and I know that for a fact. But I do want to stress that Pyrantel Pamoate at 50mg/mL is not just a horse dewormer. It is just sold in a larger bottle because horses require a bigger dose of it. Liquicare is just the product name it is under. It is in liquid form (its not a paste dewormer that comes in a tube, that may be what you are thinking I am talking about, but its not, that is ivermectin, moxidectin, oxybendazole, fenbendazole, etc- dewormers which should NEVER EVER be given to a dog (a few are ok but only with veterinary guidance, as there can be adverse side reactions if they are dosed wrong or the dog is heartworm/microfilaria positive.)

Im not trying to be argumentative or anything, I just dont want anyone to think I am just posting info to post it. I do have veterinary background, and have worked in the Pet industry. I would never recommend something unless I know what I am talking about. I dont want any pups to get hurt! :) Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I also dont want to be discounted because I am new to the forum or maybe I didnt word what I said correctly above :)

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_pyrantel_pamoate.html
That has a little more info on Pyrantel if anyone is interested :)
 
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What if the puppy is turning 5 weeks old on Monday? Is the Pyrantel Pamoate that was recommended ok with her being that young?

Since this afternoon, she has thrown up and pooped out some worms. I've only had her for a week, and it's going to be another 2 weeks before I can get her to the vet. They are about the length of a pointer finger, maybe a tiny bit longer, the same color as a strand of uncooked spaghetti and thin. The worms from her throwing up were flat and looked like they were dried out, but the ones in her poop weren't flat or dried out looking. In her solid poop, I haven't seen any worms, but in her loose poop I have. I know they're not tapeworms because my parent's cat, that doesn't live with us, has had them enough over the years that I know what those look like. I think, I'm hoping, they're roundworms but I'm not really sure. Please tell me she's too young to have heartworms.

Is there one kind of medicine that can be bought over the counter that covers all the kinds of worms, except for Tapeworms, since I don't want to wait 2 weeks before I can start treating her?

Any help at all would be great.
 

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Kellybug .... you have to see a vet now!! Obviously this pup had no attention from the breeder ... nor it's Mom !
 

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Kellybug .... you have to see a vet now!! Obviously this pup had no attention from the breeder ... nor it's Mom !
If I could, I would already have her there, but what do I do if it's not possible to see one immediately?
 

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