Why Does Western Medicine Make It Like Pregnancy Is A Disease??

[savethebulliedbreeds]

But it is almost forced upon them because of the fact that women are hooked up to so many machines and stuck in a hospital bed that they are UNABLE to manage their pain by moving around, in turn making contractions more intense and much more painful.

I completely understand that you don't like pain sparks, but you might find, if you are able to move around that you won't even need an epidural But again that is your choice to get one or not.

The reason that more people don't/can't take classes for pain management is because things like that have been kind of squished out of medical practice, because it isn't considered medicine. Only now is this sort of stuff beginning to make a comeback.

If natural childbirth would be more common, I mean not being strapped to IV, not being able to get out of bed, people may not have to be given the choice for an epidural.

 

[sparks19]

But it is almost forced upon them because of the fact that women are hooked up to so many machines and stuck in a hospital bed that they are UNABLE to manage their pain by moving around, in turn making contractions more intense and much more painful.

I completely understand that you don't like pain sparks, but you might find, if you are able to move around that you won't even need an epidural But again that is your choice to get one or not.

The reason that more people don't/can't take classes for pain management is because things like that have been kind of squished out of medical practice, because it isn't considered medicine. Only now is this sort of stuff beginning to make a comeback.

If natural childbirth would be more common, I mean not being strapped to IV, not being able to get out of bed, people may not have to be given the choice for an epidural.

LOL well while I was at the women's and babies hospital the other day there was a girl in labour walking around the outside courtyard. No machines, no anything.... just walking around with her husband. and it was PAINFULLY obvious when she was having a contraction lol. She was miserable, it did not appear that moving around was helping her pain management what so ever.... and I know that will be me lol. To put it simply.... I am having hip pain right now like crazy.... I know this is only a fraction of the pain of child birth lol.... and the last thing I want to be doing right now is standing and moving around. Once I am sitting I do NOT want to get up.... plus being the naturally lazy soul that I am I doubt I will voluntarily want to move if I don't have to haha.... I hate to confess that but I truly am a lazy bum even hubby says it is amazing the kind of effort I put in to being lazy lol that's sad isn't it hahaha.

 

[savethebulliedbreeds]

it is amazing the kind of effort I put in to being lazy

Heheheheh, I like that :lol-sign:

 

[Puckstop31]

Heheheheh, I like that :lol-sign:

Ya gotta see it to believe it... :lol-sign:

 

[sparks19]

Ya gotta see it to believe it... :lol-sign:

LOL who invited you to this thread

Do you have a spy? How is it you always show up when I mention things like this? hehe someone must be telling you

 

[Puckstop31]

LOL who invited you to this thread

Do you have a spy? How is it you always show up when I mention things like this? hehe someone must be telling you

Baby, I see everything.... Beware. LOL


:lol-sign: opcorn:

 

[sparks19]

Baby, I see everything.... Beware. LOL


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Oh right I always forget.... it's the listening thing you don't do

ZING

Hehehe :lol-sign:

 

[Romy]

When I went to the GI specialist, he was all like, "Oh, you're pregnant? You'll have to come back once you've recovered from that condition so we can do some tests."

Condition? What condition? It's not like I have a herpes outbreak or something. He could have said, "after your baby is born," or something along those lines. Needless to say I never am going back to him.

My OB was the same way, this weird "let's get this pregnancy over with" attitude, and I was only 9 weeks into it! Currently I am working with a WONDERFUL midwife team. They are so supportive and great at preparing me for this experience. They are also much more concerned about my health than the OB was. I lost about 15 lbs during the first trimester, and the OB didn't think there was any problems even though I started out the pregnancy underweight (she jabbed my abdomen a few times and pronounced the baby healthy ). The midwives were like, "holy cow!", ordered an ultrasound to check the baby's size, and set up appointments for me to see a perinatologist and a nutritionist. Solved the problem, and now only 4 weeks to go before he's due!

The other awesome thing is they have surgeons on call and the birth center is only 300 yards from the emergency room, if something does start to go awry during the birth. I'm so glad for those ladies, otherwise I might have lost the baby early on.

 

[mamasobuco]

The issue isn't the lack of stay time in the hospital.. it's how fast they push your labor. They give you a short amount of time to give birth from the time you go into labor, and if you can't have your baby quickly enough they give you a c-section.

This is a huge generalization Jesse. I have a friend who should have had c-sections both times with her kids and her doctor didn't do it. She ended up getting ripped so badly she had to have reconstructive surgery. My mother should have had c-sections with both me and my brother. We both almost died and so did she. Things like this have a lot to do with the c-section rate. Also, keep in mind that more women are having children in their late 30's and older. What exactly is quick enough? Quick enough for the mother and the baby to not die? Quick enough for them to figure out that a c-section in the end is less harmful to the mother than for her to be ripped so bad she needs to have another surgery? Quick enough to figure out that the baby can't make it through the birth cannal because there are fibroids blocking it? Quick enough to know that the placenta is attached to a fibroid? Not every doctor in the US operates the way you say they do. I think it's up to the mother to do her research and talk to her doctor in order to make the decisions that best suit her. In the end if mother and baby are heathy, I think the doctor has done her job.

 

[Saje]

I think if people are having so many problems with their labour they need to prepare more in advance including having a birth plan where everything is written out (your thoughts on painkillers and episiotimies...) as well as a doctor you can talk to in advance so he/she knows where you stand on certain issues and how you want your pregnancy to go. I've never heard of a lot of these things happening.

I had a c-section because my baby was showing signs of stress and I wasn't even in labour yet. I signed a consent form for it and wasn't pushed into it at all. My doc talked me through the different options but said he felt that was the best option. At that point I just desperately needed to know she was ok and consented to it.

I also had two ultrasounds but the only reason I had the early one was because my periods are irregular and i only had a vague idea of when my last period. They needed a better timeframe to get an EDD.

I think a lot of these problems could be prevented by parents going to prenatal classes and finding out as much as possible about different birthing options. Read. Read. Read.

That and finding a doctor with good communication skills that you trust.

 

[noludoru]

I just want to chime in and say... though I don't have any input or experience on the subject, nor do I ever intend to have children, this thread is an amazing read and I am learning a LOT.

Now carry on.

 

[savethebulliedbreeds]

But as stated before.....there is a reason people rip. It is because the head either comes out too quickly or once the head is out they pull the rest of the baby out.

That and they don't do perineal massage for the most part. Something that is absolutely manditory if you do not want to rip. Warm wash cloths work wonders to soften it up and prevent tearing.

 

[~Jessie~]

In Europe, the midwives will rub olive oil for the perineal massage to keep it from ripping.

 

[savethebulliedbreeds]

Yuppers....exactly. There are ways of preventing it almost all the time. People, I think just don't realize it and think that tearing is the norm....along with a lot of other medical things. Ripping and c-sections are the norm now and shouldn't be. IF there is a need for them I do not think they are a bad thing, but I think doctors tend to jump the gun nowadays. Just like some places automatically cut a person to avoid ripping when, really, cutting them isn't necessary. If you had a huge baby then yes, I can see cutting to avoid ripping, but with normal size babies there is absolutely no need for it.

Sorry, I didn't write you back jessie but I went to pull weeds and forgot.

Oh and I meant to tell you that once I get done school I have decided what I am going to do. I am going to open a pregnancy/baby store, teach prenatal classes, and natural pain management classes. I am also going to be a doula. There is so much you can with this education it is so great!!!

 

[sparks19]

I think if people are having so many problems with their labour they need to prepare more in advance including having a birth plan where everything is written out (your thoughts on painkillers and episiotimies...) as well as a doctor you can talk to in advance so he/she knows where you stand on certain issues and how you want your pregnancy to go. I've never heard of a lot of these things happening.

I had a c-section because my baby was showing signs of stress and I wasn't even in labour yet. I signed a consent form for it and wasn't pushed into it at all. My doc talked me through the different options but said he felt that was the best option. At that point I just desperately needed to know she was ok and consented to it.

I also had two ultrasounds but the only reason I had the early one was because my periods are irregular and i only had a vague idea of when my last period. They needed a better timeframe to get an EDD.

I think a lot of these problems could be prevented by parents going to prenatal classes and finding out as much as possible about different birthing options. Read. Read. Read.

That and finding a doctor with good communication skills that you trust.

Great post Saje.

My mom ripped with me.... When my head came out the Dr said "Oh looks like you won't need any stitches" and then as I continued to come out (with no aid from the Dr.... no pulling, no rushing me out etc) they saw what broad shoulders I had (they were convinced I was gonna be a boy because of my shoulders lol) and she ripped. I was also 9 lbs and 14 oz. She did not rip at all with my brother.

BUT I really am not concerned that if I said to my Dr "May I have some warm clothes applied" I bet they would accomodate my requests.

It REALLY is up to women to educate THEMSELVES. Like Saje said.... READ READ READ.... take classes. There are TONS of classes you can take.... LOTS AND LOTS. A lot of women go in totally clueless and then blame the Dr for not informing them of all of their options. While I believe a Dr should be open and honest with their patient they just can't inform them of every single little option out there. YOU have to do that for yourself. AND if you educate yourself YOU can choose what kind of care you want.... YOU can decide if you want a midwife or a Dr.... YOU can discuss your plan with your Dr ahead of time and find out if this is the Dr you want to deliver your baby. It REALLY REALLY is up to the parents to do their research and be firm in what they want.

 

[savethebulliedbreeds]

And that is basically what it comes down to. If parents DON'T do their research they won't know there are other options for almost everything when it comes to childbirth.

I mean don't get me wrong, I think there are definately times during pregnancy and labor that western medicine has it place. For me though, I prefer the natural route, but that is not for everyone.

I just wish that more people DID do research on their pregnancy instead of leaving it all up to the doctors.

 

[~Jessie~]

The problem is, a lot of the pregnancy books are very sugar coated. So many women just pick up a copy of "What to Expect When You're Expecting," which is mostly fluff... the book is made to be a reassurance that everything is going to go smoothly during your pregnancy. They barely mention anything about c-sections or labor complications.

So, many women read these books and feel as if they've done their research. Then when they have a c-section, they feel like they're situation is unique (when in fact a third of the population has c-sections).

 

[sparks19]

I just wish that more people DID do research on their pregnancy instead of leaving it all up to the doctors.

I couldn't agree more. There are SO many classes available on all subjects out there. and with having the internet and libraries at your fingertips there really is no excuse that you can't or shouldn't do your research. They even offered a parenting course when I was in highschool and they talked all about midwives, OBGYN's etc etc.

If more people were proactive in learning about their pregnancy, delivery and parenting options they would be far better off.

 

[mamasobuco]

In Europe, the midwives will rub olive oil for the perineal massage to keep it from ripping.

I don't get how olive oil would keep muscle from ripping. I could see a massage loosening up the muscle a little but the olive oil wouldn't penetrate the skin enough to loosen muscle. Also, my friend who got the 4th degree tear was in heavy labor for 2 and a half hours and her baby came out when she was ready to come out. No midwife can or should stop a baby from coming when it's ready. All in all, in the end the most important thing is that the baby and the mother are healthy.

 

[savethebulliedbreeds]

It is true....you should see the stats.

I mean there is always an exception to every rule of course, but for the most part perineal massage works extremely well. No one said to keep the baby in lol They were just talking about pulling the baby out.